Forza 2 Demo is Out

vader29 · Post by **vader29** » Sun May 20, 2007 9:24 pm

Fshguy wrote:I found the wheel at Sam's Club for $119.82, anybody know a better deal?

Best I could find was at buy.com for 123.99 with no tax and free shipping.

SEMINOLE wrote:I may try to pick a wheel up if I can find something or someway to mount it.

There was a thread last year where some guys here recommended the tablemate to use for an easy and cheap alternative for a racing wheel table setup. I looked for one in Walmart but they only carry them online now: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product. ... id=4213051

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun May 20, 2007 10:16 pm

After playing GTR 2, Forza might have fallen into the rental category for me. There's still a good chance the late-May hype will pull me back in, but I'm just not feeling it right now.

For one, the braking model just gives me fits, producing way too much locking way too early in the braking zones. I just can't have fun racing online if I don't trust my ability to brake, the last thing I want to do is to cornhole people because I accidentally pulled the trigger just a hair too far and locked up the wheels 100 yards out from a corner.

I did a back-to-back test using the Ferrari 550 GT car and just didn't enjoy Forza nearly as much. Other than the braking, I still can't stand how shiny the hoods are and they put the damn radio antenna right in the middle of the screen if you're using that view. Using the bumper cam, why was the cam situated at the roof of all of the AI cars?

Plus, I'm not sure slagging through hours of gameplay in Mazda 3s, Nissan 350 Zs, or other road cars interests me.

If the game grows massive legs around here, I'll probably pick it up, but if it is another one-month wonder like the first Forza, racing with randoms will be brutal.

Kruza · Post by **Kruza** » Mon May 21, 2007 8:53 am

Dave wrote:Plus, I'm not sure slagging through hours of gameplay in Mazda 3s, Nissan 350 Zs, or other road cars interests me.

That's exactly how I'm thinking with Forza. All I want to race with are high-performance sports cars, GT cars and Le Mans/Daytona prototype racecars that includes Classes A, R2 and R1. I don't want anything to do with spending hours upon hours customizing, upgrading and racing with other type of cars in the game.

Kruza

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Mon May 21, 2007 10:11 am

guys.....I need some help getting the demo to work. I get to the page where you choose the car class and nothing works after that. It says press green to select and press and nothing. No other buttons work either???

WillHunting · Post by **WillHunting** » Mon May 21, 2007 10:47 am

JackB1 wrote:guys.....I need some help getting the demo to work. I get to the page where you choose the car class and nothing works after that. It says press green to select and press and nothing. No other buttons work either???

Sounds like a corrupt download. Delete it and redownload.

slimer · Post by **slimer** » Mon May 21, 2007 11:23 am

Jack,

Do you have a guitar plugged in? Same thing happened to me until I unplugged the guitar and rebooted the demo. The buttons all worked fine until I tried to select a car.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Mon May 21, 2007 12:04 pm

slimer wrote:Jack,

Do you have a guitar plugged in? Same thing happened to me until I unplugged the guitar and rebooted the demo. The buttons all worked fine until I tried to select a car.

Don't Rock and Drive!!

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Tue May 22, 2007 10:58 am

edit - double post

slow forum today!!!!!

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Tue May 22, 2007 11:55 am

slimer wrote:Jack,

Do you have a guitar plugged in? Same thing happened to me until I unplugged the guitar and rebooted the demo. The buttons all worked fine until I tried to select a car.

that's probably it. I will retry later. thanks!

spooky157 · Post by **spooky157** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:11 pm

Dave wrote: For one, the braking model just gives me fits, producing way too much locking way too early in the braking zones. I just can't have fun racing online if I don't trust my ability to brake, the last thing I want to do is to cornhole people because I accidentally pulled the trigger just a hair too far and locked up the wheels 100 yards out from a corner.

I remember this being an issue with the original Forza as well but brake sensitivity was one of the tuning options for every car. After tweaking this, I never had much of a problem with locking up the brakes. I'm not sure if you can tune anything in the demo though...

TCrouch · Post by **TCrouch** » Tue May 22, 2007 1:28 pm

That's my biggest beef with it, as I obviously rambled on about it as well. There's no tuning that I've seen in the demo, so no way to tell.

The demo did get me to break out my old copy of Test Drive Unlimited, though, and fiddled with it enough to get steering setting that controls well enough to really get me through the last few weeks before Forza 2 releases. So much so that I can pass a lot of challenges that I couldn't before with just the gamepad, so who knows. I wish they had a really solid GTR or NASCAR or something on the system right now. Just not much to choose from.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Tue May 22, 2007 6:43 pm

spooky157 wrote:I remember this being an issue with the original Forza as well but brake sensitivity was one of the tuning options for every car. After tweaking this, I never had much of a problem with locking up the brakes. I'm not sure if you can tune anything in the demo though...

Didn't you have to go into every car and adjust the brake sensitivity and there was no universal edit you could make for your profile?

I felt the same way about the first one at this point--my interest waned right before release due to the lack of desire to slog around in the low-level cars, but I decided to get the game anyway. That, combined with my dislike of the braking model in both the first one and demo and discovery of GTR 2's brilliance might help keep $60 in my account for Dirt.

But you f*ckers will pull me in after a week or so, I'm sure

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Tue May 22, 2007 7:02 pm

From my perspective, I think if you have a PC rig with a nice setup that can run some of these great PC sims, why lower yourself to mess with Forza and us great, unwashed console-only masses?

That said, as to Forza I actually prefer running the lower-class cars, because I like running with friendly gamers from DSP and friends, and the lower-end cars tend to allow a greater percentage of the people on my friend list to feel competitive and have fun.

I was very disappointed with PGR3 in large part bacause they excised those personality-filled, lower end car classes. Those classes had always been the mainstay of our PGR2 poker night racing, and inevitably most of the real, competitive fun was in those lower classes. Forza didn't stick well enough here over the long haul for us to get anywhere near the purpose built racers in our get-togethers, but some of that had to do with the depth and variety of cars in the lower three or four classes. Some of it also had to do with the attrition among DSP gamers as you climbed up the class ladder, just due to offline gaming time.

The 360 is a starved system for racing. It also posesses an amazing potential to provide great racing games, from the controller to the official FF wheel, to the online possibilities, maybe even a party system. I am disappointed that Forza is, well, Forza, and has all the well-known quirks and flaws that we all know to expect. I am very disappointed that you can only run 8 cars per race, and am worried about end-of-race BS ruining any chance at running the long races I like to run (where the Forza engine really shows it's strengths, too). But, I think Forza is a quality game, and I am very much looking forward to its arrival. There are plenty of flaws to the Forza philosophy, but hey, there are a hell of a lot more positives than that, and personally, I think anyone here who has a 360 would be silly to skip the potentially great DSP poker night crazy-fun-times even if they only enjoy it for a few weeks and then sell off the game and return to their lonely, voice-free, tweakathologies on the PC

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Nozzleman_216 · Post by **Nozzleman_216** » Tue May 22, 2007 7:18 pm

I am excited too. I want to get a wheel, but I just need to figure out to mount the damn thing so that I don't get discouraged with it. My father who bought a 360 a few months ago will be joining us some too if thats OK. His gamertag is Spanner 216 if anyone wants to add him. He mainly plays GRAW right now as that and CH2k7 are the only games he has. He will be getting this though and would love to play with DSP

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:17 am

Zeppo wrote:From my perspective, I think if you have a PC rig with a nice setup that can run some of these great PC sims, why lower yourself to mess with Forza and us great, unwashed console-only masses?

Come on, Zep. You damn well know that if you had a PC instead of a Mac, you would have tried some of these superb PC racing sims. You're too much of a racer to resist.

I think all Dave is trying to say is that the bar is raised by PC sims, that's all. I know what he's talking about. As much as I liked NASCAR 2005 for the Xbox, it would seem like a flaming heap of boar bung now that I've played NR 2003. It's not snobbery; it's reality.

The only reason I would be even the remotest bit interested in Forza or any console racing game since starting PC sims is the camaraderie of Xbox Live. That is the draw, not the games.

Take care,
PK

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Wed May 23, 2007 8:38 am

I'm really excited for Thursday's Dirt demo so I can compare at least the demos of it and Forza before making a final decision about purchasing one or both.

The DSP XBL sessions are going to be great, but I haven't had the block of time needed to enjoy one lately and would be stuck racing with randoms all too often. That is probably going to be a frustrating experience.

Zep, not sure what kind of Mac you have, but I finally took the Boot Camp plunge and my iMac runs GTR 2 very smoothly, making me a happy guy

For me it really isn't "lowering myself" to play Forza--I still enjoy Indycar Series and Pro Race driver on PSP as much as I've enjoyed GTR 2. But if I can't get a handle on the braking model then I have no desire to lock up the tires all around a fictional track in a CRX.

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Wed May 23, 2007 1:56 pm

pk500 wrote: The only reason I would be even the remotest bit interested in Forza or any console racing game since starting PC sims is the camaraderie of Xbox Live. That is the draw, not the games.

Take care,
PK

Did I say anything that you disagree with? You just restated my point in a less bitchy way than I did, namely that those who enjoy PC racing sims have no sensible reason to bother with racing games on the 360 or any other console, for that matter.

We all know what Forza brings to the table. For those who have quality, road course racing options available to them that aren't Forza, there are easily enough weaknesses to the Forza formula to keep you away. For those of us who don't have PC racing options, there is a lot to like about Forza, not the least of which is the cameraderie of online racing among friends, but there's a lot more to it than that. It may not be the right cup of tea for those who have other options, but for those of us who either don't have those options, or like the idea of the communal aspects the game promises to provide, Forza is looking pretty damn good.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:18 pm

Zeppo wrote:Did I say anything that you disagree with? You just restated my point in a less bitchy way than I did, namely that those who enjoy PC racing sims have no sensible reason to bother with racing games on the 360 or any other console, for that matter.

Precisely. Now I need to go reach for my bar of soap, to escape the filth of mingling with the great, unwashed masses.

By chance, do you have a bottle opener for my magnum of Dom? And can you please pass the Grey Poupon, you DICK?

Take care,
Thurston Howell III, the bastard love child of Dick Fain

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:46 pm

pk500 wrote:
Zeppo wrote:Did I say anything that you disagree with? You just restated my point in a less bitchy way than I did, namely that those who enjoy PC racing sims have no sensible reason to bother with racing games on the 360 or any other console, for that matter.
Precisely. Now I need to go reach for my bar of soap, to escape the filth of mingling with the great, unwashed masses.

By chance, do you have a bottle opener for my magnum of Dom? And can you please pass the Grey Poupon, you DICK?

Take care,
Thurston Howell III, the bastard love child of Dick Fain

As long as you use that soap to clean our your filthy PC-gaming mouth, you Paddy McDick!

Ah, how we do miss you on the XBL, how we do miss you.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Wed May 23, 2007 2:54 pm

Zeppo wrote:Ah, how we do miss you on the XBL, how we do miss you.

I'll never say never. But until the machines are proven reliable, there's a significant price drop, and my wife goes back to work or we decide to sell our rental property, I can't see a 360 under my TV. A new road bike and new skis and bindings already are ahead of it on the vice purchase radar, and those are still a ways off.

In other words, I'll see you boys back on XBL around 2011 with the Xbox 1080.

Take care,
PK

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Thu May 24, 2007 10:08 am

Zeppo.....if Forza can re-ignite that great weekly Poker Night stuff we had going on with TOCA, that would be great! I hope that happens. I tried more of the demo last night and really enjoyed it. The driving model seems very similiar to TOCA 2's. Do you agree?

I'm not sure why and I hope I'm wrong, but the XBL/DSP community hasn't grown or "developed" as I thought it would since the 360 came into being. People seem more scattered now among different systems and consoles and such. I hate to think that the best DSP/XBL days are behind us? I think we just need the games with the right online capability/performance to get us back to where we were.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Thu May 24, 2007 1:05 pm

pk500 wrote:
Zeppo wrote:Ah, how we do miss you on the XBL, how we do miss you.
I'll never say never. But until the machines are proven reliable, there's a significant price drop, and my wife goes back to work or we decide to sell our rental property, I can't see a 360 under my TV. A new road bike and new skis and bindings already are ahead of it on the vice purchase radar, and those are still a ways off.

In other words, I'll see you boys back on XBL around 2011 with the Xbox 1080.

Take care,
PK

You're late to every party. Let's see you took your sweet time on the Tivo, the Xbox, and now lately the PC. What's that term in business for consumers who enter the market after everyone else? I can't remember right now but you're it.

Anyway, we'll see you when the 360 drops in price. You know you are going to pick one up it's just a matter of time. You were saying the same thing with the Tivo/DVR, that you would never get one, the VHS is perfect, you need to sell a liver to afford your lavish outdoor life style.

We all know you PK, you just enter the market after everyone else moves on and then make all of us purchase really old crap. NHL Rivals, anyone.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu May 24, 2007 1:28 pm

Like I said, see you in 2011. It will take MS until then to build a reliable machine.

There's also the factor that gaming means about 1/10th to me that it did five years ago. I've weaned myself from it other than two or three PC sims, and I don't miss daily gaming at all.

P.S.: I was very early to the MP3 party. I've had an MP3 player since 2001 or 2002. All of my music has been digital since then. Music always has meant much more to me than gaming. I've also been online since 1994, so I was pretty early to that party, too.

Take care,
PK

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Thu May 24, 2007 4:36 pm

pk500 wrote:Like I said, see you in 2011. It will take MS until then to build a reliable machine.

There's also the factor that gaming means about 1/10th to me that it did five years ago. I've weaned myself from it other than two or three PC sims, and I don't miss daily gaming at all.

P.S.: I was very early to the MP3 party. I've had an MP3 player since 2001 or 2002. All of my music has been digital since then. Music always has meant much more to me than gaming. I've also been online since 1994, so I was pretty early to that party, too.

Take care,
PK

Because you dont pay for the music thats why DICK..... Fain.

Thats not a horror film creeking door sound effect its PK opening his wallet.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu May 24, 2007 4:57 pm

Jimmydeicide wrote:
pk500 wrote:Like I said, see you in 2011. It will take MS until then to build a reliable machine.

There's also the factor that gaming means about 1/10th to me that it did five years ago. I've weaned myself from it other than two or three PC sims, and I don't miss daily gaming at all.

P.S.: I was very early to the MP3 party. I've had an MP3 player since 2001 or 2002. All of my music has been digital since then. Music always has meant much more to me than gaming. I've also been online since 1994, so I was pretty early to that party, too.

Take care,
PK
Because you dont pay for the music thats why DICK..... Fain.

Thats not a horror film creeking door sound effect its PK opening his wallet.

Don't pay for my monthly cable Internet bill, either. Covered by the company.

Take care,
PK