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ScoopBrady wrote:Maybe Romo should have pretended the ball was Carrie Underwood's ass, that way he would have had a better grip on it.
Come on -- no one has given Scoop credit for one of the best lines at DSP in this young year?

Well done, Scoop! LOL! :)

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That was a great line, well done, Scoop. I have nothing against Romo, but I'm glad there's no more Romo-mania in the playoffs.

Rob, I disagree about Seattle going for it late in the fourth. They would still have needed a TD to win and only needed two yards to score. If they go for it and miss, they back Dallas up deep and can get great field position with a defensive stop. I think you have to try to score the TD there. Personally, I would have run a Statue of Liberty play :D
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Coors Light has salvaged its previously lame "interview the coaches" ad campaign by including Jim Mora's infamous "Playoffs? PLAYOFFS?" rant in its latest spot.

F*cking hilarious, and an ode to one of the greatest rants ever by an NFL coach!

P.S.: Hasselbeck must play much better next week for the Seahawks. He looked lost in the first half, missing on basic passes.

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Garcia is really playing great. I would have him right now over mcnabb because he does a better job imo of managing a game than donovan.

For the games next week, I like our mathcup vs the saints. Garcia has playoff experience so we're not missing much at the qb position. Also, we've been in big playoff games vs the saints who'll be new to the playoffs.

As for the bears / hawks. I posted in the other thread that I would take Holmgren over any of the bears coaches. I think my argument got stronger after watching Lovie Smith at the Indy game yesterday. You think Belecheck or Cowher would be at another game a week before their team was to host a playoff game? Also It doesn't help the bears that their Def Coordinator Ron Rivera has been interviewing all week for a head coaching position.

Afc should be the best games next week. Pats/Chargers is the game of the week. Whoever wins that one is going to the Superbowl.
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Inuyasha wrote: As for the bears / hawks. I posted in the other thread that I would take Holmgren over any of the bears coaches. I think my argument got stronger after watching Lovie Smith at the Indy game yesterday. You think Belecheck or Cowher would be at another game a week before their team was to host a playoff game?
Ah, c'mon man. Three black head coaches, all in the playoffs, all members of the same staff for years. . . it's called supporting your friends. If the game was any furhter away than Indy, I doubt he would have been there, but to see two of his good friends, one his mentor, coaching against each other in the playoffs? That's why they got the bye!

Personally, I'd take Lovie over Holmgren at the drop of a hat, but maybe that's just me.
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Zeppo wrote:Personally, I'd take Lovie over Holmgren at the drop of a hat, but maybe that's just me.
Wow! At the drop of a hat??? Based on what? There haven't been many coaches better than Holmgren in the *history* of the NFL. It doesn't get much better than Holmgren. He's gone to three SB, won one, made the playoffs 10 of 15 years with 2 different teams, and only has two losing seasons (and those weren't total disasters at 7-9 and 6-10).
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Zeppo wrote:Personally, I'd take Lovie over Holmgren at the drop of a hat, but maybe that's just me.
Wow! At the drop of a hat??? Based on what? There haven't been many coaches better than Holmgren in the *history* of the NFL. It doesn't get much better than Holmgren. He's gone to three SB, won one, made the playoffs 10 of 15 years with 2 different teams, and only has two losing seasons (and those weren't total disasters at 7-9 and 6-10).
Plus he has a street named after him :)
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Zeppo wrote:Personally, I'd take Lovie over Holmgren at the drop of a hat, but maybe that's just me.
Wow! At the drop of a hat??? Based on what? There haven't been many coaches better than Holmgren in the *history* of the NFL. It doesn't get much better than Holmgren. He's gone to three SB, won one, made the playoffs 10 of 15 years with 2 different teams, and only has two losing seasons (and those weren't total disasters at 7-9 and 6-10).
I prefer a defensive-minded coach to an offensive one, and while Holmgren has won 1 SB, he's also lost 2. Plus, he's got to be near his burn-out stage, while Lovie is just starting as a HC. The turnaround of the Bears since Lovie came to town is pretty remarkable, and while their division is admittedly pretty crappy (EDIT: especially since Holmgren left! :lol: ), the NFC West has been the worst division in footbal for a long, long time.

Plus, I just don't really like the guy.
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matthewk wrote:Plus he has a street named after him :)
So does Lovie. :wink:

What's wrong with Lovie going to see 2 of his best friends coach a playoff game on his weekend off?
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matthewk wrote:Plus he has a street named after him :)
So does Lovie. :wink:

What's wrong with Lovie going to see 2 of his best friends coach a playoff game on his weekend off?
Really! A lot of good getting to the office at 4:30 a.m. to work until 10 p.m. seven days per week did for Jon Gruden this season.

Seriously, how many f*cking hours can these guys look at film and scouting reports? It's football -- not war planning or heart transplant surgery.

Smith had a great year. He's entitled to attend a game to support his friends. And what's to say that he didn't break down film until 2 a.m. Saturday, jump in a car or a private jet Saturday morning, fly to Indy for the game and go right back to the office to work Saturday night? Indy is only a three-hour drive from Chicago, and it's probably a 30-minute flight.

I have the same reaction to reading about NFL coaches working 100-110 hours per week as I do to reading about major F1 teams such as Ferrari running their wind tunnel 24 hours per day, seven days per week: At some point, the law of diminishing returns definitely kicks in.

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Lets see if Lovie gets to a SB before making those kinds of comparisons.

There's nothing terribly innovative about playing the Tampa 2.

Bears have been able to load up with a lot of high picks over the years, whereas Seattle has gotten middle of the first round at best.

On next week's matchup, it's the Bears' to lose, especially if Seattles injured DBs don't play. Grossman ought to be able to throw against a depleted secondary. But better yet, Seattle can't stop the run this year.

BTW, Lovie is looking for an extension to complete his career? He hasn't been a HC that long has he? Or is he planning to retire early?
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wco81 wrote:Lets see if Lovie gets to a SB before making those kinds of comparisons.
I just said that I would prefer Lovie over Holmgren; myself, me, personally, if I could boot the Danny and his Vinny and make the decisions. It's probably got a lot more to do with their overall temper and their media presence, or maybe due to Lovie wearing a hat when it's cold, but it's just my preference. I'm not trying to determine in some objective way which is a better head coach.
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I doubt Holmgren could bend over to pick up the dropped hat nowadays.

But he's only had two losing seasons out of fifteen and is 57 games over .500 for his career. He'll always be alright with me for coaching the Pack back to the Super Bowl and for being a onetime assistant coach at my daughter's high school.
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Proof that the bulk of ESPN.com's readership is 25 or younger: Tony Romo's bobbled hold is leading a poll of the biggest playoff gaffes in NFL history.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/st ... d=tab3pos1

Are you sh*tting me? It was a Wild Card game, and it wasn't the last play of the game.

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Inuyasha wrote:Garcia is really playing great. I would have him right now over mcnabb because he does a better job imo of managing a game than donovan.

For the games next week, I like our mathcup vs the saints. Garcia has playoff experience so we're not missing much at the qb position. Also, we've been in big playoff games vs the saints who'll be new to the playoffs.

As for the bears / hawks. I posted in the other thread that I would take Holmgren over any of the bears coaches. I think my argument got stronger after watching Lovie Smith at the Indy game yesterday. You think Belecheck or Cowher would be at another game a week before their team was to host a playoff game? Also It doesn't help the bears that their Def Coordinator Ron Rivera has been interviewing all week for a head coaching position.

Afc should be the best games next week. Pats/Chargers is the game of the week. Whoever wins that one is going to the Superbowl.
For starters, you have to be kidding about Garcia. Not that he hasn't played well, but he couldn't keep the starting job in Cleveland and Detroit. It's one thing if McNabb's health winds up affecting his game when he returns, but it's not like he was a bad QB or having a bad year. You have to go back to McNabb unless he's unhealthy.

I definitely respect Mike Holmgren. I have no choice, as his Packer teams routinely beat up the Bears. But to quote S.E. Hinton, "That was then, this is now." This Seattle team sucks, and if they had played in any other division other than the NFC West, they would have been sitting at home instead of hosting a playoff game. They looked very unimpressive against a sinking Cowboy team and needed two cases of butterfingers just to squeak out a victory.

They lost 37-6 at Soldier Field last time, but in keeping with the Hinton quote, I realize the Bears aren't the same and Alexander will play. So I'll spot them 10 for Alexander and take off 10 for Grossman's decline in performance. Bears 27-16.
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This is unlikely, but what happens if Jerry -- can't help it; that's what I call Garcia -- leads the Eagles to a Super Bowl victory? Does McNabb keep his job then?

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pk500 wrote:This is unlikely, but what happens if Jerry -- can't help it; that's what I call Garcia -- leads the Eagles to a Super Bowl victory? Does McNabb keep his job then?

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I think McNabb does keep his job. I also think Garcia would get a new one somewhere else.
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pk500 wrote:This is unlikely, but what happens if Jerry -- can't help it; that's what I call Garcia -- leads the Eagles to a Super Bowl victory? Does McNabb keep his job then?

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And more importantly, does Garcia's mom get her own Chunky Soup commercials and a blog???
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pk500 wrote:This is unlikely, but what happens if Jerry -- can't help it; that's what I call Garcia -- leads the Eagles to a Super Bowl victory? Does McNabb keep his job then?

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I think he does. I have two words here: Jeff Hostetler. He was a decent QB and certainly deserved to start somewhere after the SB win over the Bills, but I think Simms should have been given the job back when he returned from injury. I don't know if Garcia is under contract next year but I wouldn't hand the reins over to him. Either trade him or let him leave as a FA. He's having a great year, but he's 37.
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Garcia is 37 but for his age, his mobility is incredible. He would probably fit well in a Raiders uniform and help revive R. Moss's career or the Raiders' franchise for that matter. True, let's not consider him a super QB now, but he was instrumental in turning the season for Philly. And no one can deny that.
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10spro wrote:Garcia is 37 but for his age, his mobility is incredible. He would probably fit well in a Raiders uniform and help revive R. Moss's career or the Raiders' franchise for that matter. True, let's not consider him a super QB now, but he was instrumental in turning the season for Philly. And no one can deny that.
Garcia doesn't fit Al Davis' preferred vertical game, although Rich Gannon didn't either. I don't see a lot of QB jobs open this offseason. Most teams that need QBs would be better served with a younger guy who will be around for a while. Garcia will probably remain in a reliever role, but his future looks a lot brighter (and more lucrative) than it did a few months ago.
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Interesting note about the Romo hold debacle in Peter King's NFL notebook at SI:

>>>John Madden sort of made this same point on the telecast. But did you see the ball that was snapped to Tony Romo on the botched field-goal hold? Looked very shiny, perhaps slippery. It was one of the "K'' balls. Each game, 12 balls used only for special teams plays are kept on the sidelines, and when there's a punt or a kickoff or a placekick, one of those 12 balls is put into play. The ball came back to Romo on a good snap, and as he transferred the ball in his hands to put it down for the kick, it slipped from his grip. Wish I had a chance to ask him about it after the game. The way it slipped made the ball look like some of the waxy sheen was still on it from having just come out of the box.<<<

The ball looked shiny to me, too, but I didn't think much of it and didn't know the NFL kept balls on the sidelines just for special teams' use.

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One of the reporters asked about this after the game to parcell's and he said it looked like a regulation game ball. This is once again people trying to make something out of nothing, trying to assign blame and explain the unexplanable.

The guy dropped it, seems like a pretty simple explanation to me. Next time I accidentally drop a glass when going to pick it up I'm going to ask my wife if she purposely put a glass on the table that was a little more slippery. :D
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Dan:

If you look at the replay, especially the slow-mo view from behind of the snap, that ball had more of a sheen on it than a regular, used NFL game ball appears to have. No question.

Of course Parcells is going to dismiss the question, for two reasons. One, he's a hard man who doesn't open the door about a possible excuse, and two, he hates the media and thinks even the slightest observation from a reporter is irrelevant and stupid.

I hate the Cowboys, and Romo should have made the play, shiny ball or not. It's not an excuse; it's an accurate observation by King.

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The K balls were introduced if I recall correctly because the NFL wanted the kickers to stop scuffing balls so they could kick them better.

I think the K balls have been used the last 3 years so I dont think it's anything new. Romo just dropped it.
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I'm not a physics major, but wouldn't a scuffed ball move around more, almost like a ball scuffed by sandpaper and thrown by a pitcher? Wouldn't a kicker want more of a true flight in the ball?

Again, physics isn't my mojo.

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