Euro PS3 launch delayed until Mar 07

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 6:48 pm

DivotMaker wrote:
Kazuya wrote:I suggest starting "Danimal and Major Divot's anti-PS3" thread, where you two can race to put up everything you can that puts PS3 in a bad light, regardless of how ridiculous and unfounded the source may be (Joystiq is probably the worst offender of posting rumors). We can start with a post that says Gran Turismo HD will cost $200...

Kazuya wrote:
Wait a minute... I just want clarification. So you're saying I can't do that... that I can't suggest they start their own PS3 thread? Since there are no explicit rules to this forum, I am always at a loss to figure out what is allowed and what isn't. I'm curious as to why I'm getting a warning, when you clearly overlook instances of other people trying to start problems with me. I'm not trying to start anything, I just want clarification. From you or Jared is fine.
Unfreakingbelievable....

What's wrong with it? The point was that I was expressing the opinion that you and Danimal are biased against Sony and are constantly trying to push that agenda on this board. Am I not allowed to have that opinion?

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 7:02 pm

Scoop never mind, I'll just PM you.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:47 pm

Just for the record, a counter to the pricing I posted about yesterday.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/26/sony ... -us-59-99/

Sucks to live in Japan I guess.

davet010 · Post by **davet010** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:31 pm

Latest reports are that UK game prices will be between £39 and £52.

360 games tend to be £39 on first release, so Sony may want to rethink that.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:38 pm

Just saw a fact page for NBA 07 (from SCEA) over at OS saying it will run in 1080p and be 60 fps. That gives me hope that MLB The Show will be the same whenever it's released.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 1:15 am

When there's smoke there's usually fire and Sony's investors are a bit nervous about the launch of the PS3, not to mention all the recalls on Sony's laptop batteries affecting many brands. That's a big dip in shares.

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/300.html

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:44 am

Investors also are nervous about the overheating issues with the PS3 demo machines at the Tokyo Game Show. Maybe Sony can ask MS for advice on extending basic warranties ...

Take care,
PK

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:46 am

I hate to pile on, but it seems Sony has fed us yet another line of bullsh!t regarding the decision to go with a tilt controller minus the rumble feature...

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14010

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:21 am

DivotMaker wrote:I hate to pile on, but it seems Sony has fed us yet another line of bullsh!t regarding the decision to go with a tilt controller minus the rumble feature...

http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=14010

The same kind of bullsh*t they're feeding us about how great microtransactions are?

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Take care,
PK

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:27 am

Oh come on, you think Immersion is an impartial source?

Maybe Sony could afford it but they figured why should they pay these guys.

Remember that Immersion reached a deal with MS where MS gave them a lot of cash probably to go after Sony.

It just depends on how essential rumble is. RIMM had to pay for the patents because they went to the heart of the Blackberry's main feature. Rumble on the other hand can't be said to be the main feature.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:36 am

wco81 wrote:Oh come on, you think Immersion is an impartial source?

I don't pretend to know much about the relationship between Immersion, Sony, and MS, but I find it hard to justify Sony's decision to implement a tilt feature in place of a rumble feature that users have enjoyed. The backlash from users since the E3 rumble-less announcement has been overtly negative and Sony has been crawfishing on a number of their claims regarding the PS3 since E3.....

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:41 am

DivotMaker wrote:
wco81 wrote:Oh come on, you think Immersion is an impartial source?
I don't pretend to know much about the relationship between Immersion, Sony, and MS, but I find it hard to justify Sony's decision to implement a tilt feature in place of a rumble feature that users have enjoyed.

Especially when Sony essentially brought built-in rumble to console controllers for the masses with the Dual Shock, right?

Take care,
PK

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 9:55 am

Immersion and Sony got in litigation. Sony lost.

So Immersion was expecting a pay day.

Sony decided not to use the rumble feature so they wouldn't have to pay Immersion. Yeah they weren't truthful to say they had to drop rumble to get the tilt but what are they going to tell the gamers, that Immersion's patent raises their costs too much?

So now, Immersion is trying to go around Sony and trying to get gamers to complain and put pressure on Sony to pay Immersion.

If you've been following the patent business, you know the US Patent Office has been granting ridiculous tech patents to people who are little more than squatters. They don't invest in or develop a technology but because they applied for a generic idea first, they expect to get paid for the work and success of others. IOW, they're little more than parasites and unfortunately, they're getting paid, like the company which got paid several hundred million for the Blackberry, even though they didn't have a thing to do with its success.

Anyways, if there's a big enough demand for rumble, some third-party will come out with a controller and pay Immersion to include it. But the Sixaxis PS3 controller, with Bluetooth, rechargeable battery and the tilt sensors, is suppose to be $40. It will be tough to have those features and add rumble and pay the license fees and price it competitively.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 10:20 am

Man you guys are really reaching for the anti-Sony link of the day... I thought for sure you would tackle the overheating stuff. Saving for tomorrow?

Regardless of how much the lack of Immersion is contributing to the lowering of the cost, the PS3 controller is definitely a better value than the competition. For $42 you get a controller that can operate either wired or wirelessly, with a built in battery that charges through USB. M$, as part of their ripoff acsessory line, charges $50 for a controller and another $20-30 for charging acessories. $42 < $70, for the math impaired. Now of course, Sony probably could have gotten rumble in for less than $28, but I don't think it's outrageous to think they were trying to keep the cost down since their controller has stuff in it that M$'s doesn't, not to mention that > $40 is pretty expensive for a controller anyway. The damn Wavebird isn't and never was as high as these next-gen controllers.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:02 am

Kazuya wrote:Man you guys are really reaching for the anti-Sony link of the day... I thought for sure you would tackle the overheating stuff. Saving for tomorrow?

Reaching? Hell, the articles are flying fast and furious and you damn sure don't have to look for them. Has it occurred to you that you are defending a corporation that has shot itself in the foot since the PS2 and continues to shoot itself in the foot only now instead of a pistol, they are using a Gatling gun?

Kazuya wrote:Regardless of how much the lack of Immersion is contributing to the lowering of the cost, the PS3 controller is definitely a better value than the competition. For $42 you get a controller that can operate either wired or wirelessly, with a built in battery that charges through USB. M$, as part of their ripoff acsessory line, charges $50 for a controller and another $20-30 for charging acessories. $42 < $70, for the math impaired. Now of course, Sony probably could have gotten rumble in for less than $28, but I don't think it's outrageous to think they were trying to keep the cost down since their controller has stuff in it that M$'s doesn't, not to mention that > $40 is pretty expensive for a controller anyway. The damn Wavebird isn't and never was as high as these next-gen controllers.

I see you are trying to divert attention to the fact that Sony could have included a rumble feature but chose not to. This is not about the MS controller, it is about Sony's decision to remove a feature and then lie about why they removed it. Since you brought it up, will the PS3 controller allow you to start and shut off the PS3 from the controller? Will the PS3 controller also let you access the dashboard to their online service...oops, sorry bout that, Sony has not announced their "XBox Live Killer" yet have they? Lastly, will the PS3 controller allow users to plug their headsets into the controller?

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/736/736936p1.html

Sony also revealed today a few new bits about the controller. Each controller will have a Lithium Ion battery built in. You'll be able to connect to the PS3 via USB to charge the battery, with a single charge lasting 30 hours. It's unknown if Sony will be including a USB cable with the controller.

Too bad the latest information regarding the PS3 controllers make no mention of the additional 360 controller features stated above. If the PS3 controller DOES all of these additional features that the 360 controller does, then I could agree with your argument that the PS3 controller is a better value.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:09 am

Kazuya wrote:Man you guys are really reaching for the anti-Sony link of the day... I thought for sure you would tackle the overheating stuff. Saving for tomorrow?

Of course we are. And so is nearly every other major gaming blog and forum.

Kazuya wrote:Regardless of how much the lack of Immersion is contributing to the lowering of the cost, the PS3 controller is definitely a better value than the competition. For $42 you get a controller that can operate either wired or wirelessly, with a built in battery that charges through USB. M$, as part of their ripoff acsessory line, charges $50 for a controller and another $20-30 for charging acessories. $42 < $70, for the math impaired. Now of course, Sony probably could have gotten rumble in for less than $28, but I don't think it's outrageous to think they were trying to keep the cost down since their controller has stuff in it that M$'s doesn't, not to mention that > $40 is pretty expensive for a controller anyway. The damn Wavebird isn't and never was as high as these next-gen controllers.

But it's OK for Sony to eliminate a feature that it made an industry standard for console controllers and has proven VERY popular with console gamers over the last decade, a feature whose removal has been met with nearly universal condemnation from gamers? That's OK, because everything else is a "good value?"

So, if Sony built its next-next gen console without a hard drive despite that becoming the next-gen standard for a high-def console, all in the name of "good value," that would be OK, too?

You write as if rumble is just some extranenous feature that no one will miss. It's not. It's become as standard and expected in controllers for nearly every gamer as a joystick or face button, and when the company that brought it to the mass market eliminates it in the name of "good value," you're damn right people's eyebrows are going to raise. Especially when that same company also is ramming a proprietary disc format down gamers' throats to the tune of the most expensive console on the market.

I also find it terribly ironic that you're questioning people's objectivity about Sony here -- I'll lay my opinion bare; I think Sony's arrogance is incredible -- yet I don't think you've ever seen a misstep by Sony from the second it entered the console business. It's pretty damn hypocritical for you to stand in the ivory tower of supposed objectivity when you appear to worship Sony as much as some of us here hate it.

Yes, we criticize Sony quite often. And you defend it nearly every chance you get. Same passion, same level of bias. Only the opinions differ.

Take care,
PK

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:24 am

I heart $ony and I dont care what they do.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:38 am

pk500 wrote: I also find it terribly ironic that you're questioning people's objectivity about Sony here -- I'll lay my opinion bare; I think Sony's arrogance is incredible -- yet I don't think you've ever seen a misstep by Sony from the second it entered the console business. It's pretty damn hypocritical for you to stand in the ivory tower of supposed objectivity when you appear to worship Sony as much as some of us here hate it.

Yes, we criticize Sony quite often. And you defend it nearly every chance you get. Same passion, same level of bias. Only the opinions differ.

Take care,
PK

I just think it makes this board (which I consider to be highbrow compared to most gaming boards) seem like a lame Xbox fanboy board when every single thing that's even slightly negative about Sony, no matter how trivial, is posted with glee by certain posters. I don't have a problem with your comments PK... you may think Sony is arrogant but I've never seen you let it color you.

Is the PS3 delaying the launch a big story? Certainly. Reduced units due to manufacturing? Yes. The original story about no rumble in the controller? Sure... all three are big problems that Sony deserves to be called out for. But we've known for months that rumble wouldn't be in the PS3 controller. Now people are outraged because Sony simply stated why it wouldn't be in there? Because Sony *lied* to them? Give me a break. This is a non-story. The only people who are outraged are ironically Xbox fanboys who have no intention of buying a PS3.

Also there is never a peep when good news such as HDMI being included in all consoles is announced. Heck, Major Divot wrote a long sermon spinning it into a *bad* thing, and he almost convinced *me*. Like I said before, if it wasn't for people and their agendas I would never say a peep about Sony because otherwise I couldn't care less about them, other that they are a company who I generally have gotten good products from. It's just annoying for me to see this board devolve into a fanboy board. But as they say, that's my problem so I guess I'll have to deal with it.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:41 am

Kazuya wrote: I just think it makes this board (which I consider to be highbrow compared to most gaming boards) seem like a lame Xbox fanboy board it.

Dont worry, if that truly is the case, you balance it out quite well

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:43 am

I just wish HDMI would die... Its a format for content providers, not consumers.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:44 am

XXXIV wrote:
Kazuya wrote: I just think it makes this board (which I consider to be highbrow compared to most gaming boards) seem like a lame Xbox fanboy board it.
Dont worry, if that truly is the case, you balance it out quite well

I'm trying, one post at a time... I should get a free PS3 for my efforts! Of course, if they found out I was hooked on 360 Zuma all of my perks would go down the drain!

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:04 pm

Sure Sony could have included the rumble. They could also have bundled one of their Bravia flat panels too for nothing.

And Microsoft could have put a hard drive in every unit and an HD-DVD drive instead of making it an add-on. Or Wifi. Or HDMI.

Nintendo could have done the same and put in better chips for better graphics too. They could have abandoned cartridges 10 years ago too.

But companies have to make cost-benefit tradeoffs.

Yeah maybe Sony will lose the market share war just because they didn't include the rumble.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:04 pm

Come on Kaz...you're acting like MS hasn't taken their fair share of crap around here. I guarantee there have been more disparaging remarks around here about Microsoft and their empire than there ever will be about Sony.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:19 pm

wco81 wrote:Sure Sony could have included the rumble. They could also have bundled one of their Bravia flat panels too for nothing.

And Microsoft could have put a hard drive in every unit and an HD-DVD drive instead of making it an add-on. Or Wifi. Or HDMI.

Nintendo could have done the same and put in better chips for better graphics too. They could have abandoned cartridges 10 years ago too.

But companies have to make cost-benefit tradeoffs.

Yeah maybe Sony will lose the market share war just because they didn't include the rumble.

You don't get it. Sony all but brought rumble to the masses, and now it's abandoning it and not admitting the true reason why -- licensing legal woes, as you indicated.

For what non-legal reason would a company discard a feature that has proven so popular with gamers over the last decade? None.

And that's the point.

Take care,
PK

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:22 pm

<summary>
micro$oft sux0x
$ony sux0r
HDMI sux0r
rumble rox0r
</summary>