Yet another HDTV question

jondiehl · Post by **jondiehl** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:13 pm

I'm a big fan of DLP technology. I've used it for a 119" front projection setup (Infocus), a 50" RPTV in the master bedroom (Panasonic), and a 56" RPTV in the family room (Toshiba).

Noone in my family is sensitive to the rainbow effect, but most of that has gone away over the year's with faster wheels and improvements in technology (DLP chip technology is in it's 5th or 6th generation already).

My parent's and in-law's both have LCD HDTV's and I've watched HD content as well as played games w/ my 360 over there and IMO it wasn't nearly as smooth and artifact free as with my DLP. Once motion starts, all hell breaks loose and you get blocks on the screen. Then again, alot of that has to do with the quality of the LCD panel that you buy.

I've heard alot of very good things about LCoS technology that Sport73 talked about, and if I were in the market for another HDTV, I'd obviously be looking at that technology as well.... but when I shopped each time for myself, DLP was the best for price/performance/size IMO.

grtwhtsk · Post by **grtwhtsk** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:16 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
grtwhtsk wrote:Forgive my ignorance, but can you game ok on one of these rear projection tvs? What about on DLP? I notice the differences in prices between those types vs. LCD and plasma and wonder why the big differences in price (i.e. screen size you can get in rp and DSP vs LCD and plasma). Can someone please help me out? I'd much rather hear it from you guys than some salesman! Thanks.
Besides my 24" Dell I game on mostly, my HDTV is a 48" CRT Rear Projection. Given the size of my room, it's really the only size tv that can fit comfortably. I bought it a couple years back when LCDs and Plasmas were still on the higher side...and I have loved it ever since. If you can find them, they are still the best bang for the buck when it comes to accuracy and color reproduction...at least in my opinion.

Scott, any particular manufacturer(s) and/or model(s) that you recommend (and any you would buy now if you were getting a new one)?

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:23 pm

I bought a Hitachi after a ton of research on CRT Rear Projection...I'd assume the same holds true now. They are hard to find in stores usually (Sears is where I found mine)...for some reason people don't stock the brand, but they have a very good HDTV reputation.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:35 pm

CRT RPTVs are still around. They will be around $1000.

Digital displays still have not exceeded the old analog CRT but a flat panel is undeniably sexy.

You could try somewhere like onecall.com but these things are real heavy so shipping and delivery will probably be expensive and a hassle.

As will getting rid of it eventually.

CRTs are prone to burn-in though.

grtwhtsk · Post by **grtwhtsk** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:10 pm

Jon - sent you a pm. Thank you.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Sun Aug 26, 2007 9:44 pm

wco81 wrote:CRT RPTVs are still around. They will be around $1000.

And 1000 pounds...

jondiehl · Post by **jondiehl** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:46 am

My first HDTV was a 65" Mitsubishi Platinum Plus (CRT, 1080i). I loved that thing, but it was a beast to move and it took up about the same floor space as a car parked in your family room.

The picture quality was top notch, but the protective screen was a giant pain as it gave off alot of glare during the daytime and at night (unless you sat in total darkness). Eventually, I went online to AVSforum and found how to remove it, which made things better.

The only other knock against CRT rear projection is viewing angles... in that, there was only one good seat in the house: dead center, eyes in the middle of the screen. If you were sitting on the side it didn't look nearly as good, and you could see the picture change just by moving your eyes up or down in comparision to the screen.

Digital displays don't suffer from either of those issues (other than plasma with their shiny/glare screens).

Plasma and LCD can't due true black, only a dark shade of gray, which is why I went DLP when I made the switch from my big CRT set. It gives more film-like blacks, especially when watching in the dark and you have a very dark scene on the screen.

Bottom line, yes CRT rear projection is the best picture quality/accuracy for the price... but that quality is good for one viewer, not a room full of people trying to watch the same screen from different positions. Of course, if you have a TV set sticking out 4ft into the room and taking up floor space, there probably isn't room for guests anyway.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 1:27 am

You also have to deal with convergence issues over time and like any phosphor-based tech, the pic will degrade over time. Digital display backlights lose brightness over time too.

grtwhtsk · Post by **grtwhtsk** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 3:16 pm

Anybody know anything about the Samsung HL-T5687S (DLP)? I see that it is not using a bulb, but rather is LED.

Right now I am just totally confused. I have been looking at the RP, DLP, and even looked at some of the LCD and plasma. I'm pretty sure that I will go either RP or DLP, but anything's possible!

Anyone got a 1080p LCD? I've looked at a bunch of those and get scared off by some of the issues I'm seeing reported on avsforum.

Airdog · Post by **Airdog** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:48 pm

I got a lot of incentives from Sony this holiday season, and with that I've come to a dilemna, albeit a pretty awesome one. Consider that I currently do not have an HD movie player.

I can either get a 40" Bravia W3000 or a 40" Bravia V3000 with a 40GB PS3. Has anybody gotten too deep into the V vs. W debate? Let me know, if so, or if you've directly compared them. We don't have W's on display at my store so I haven't put too much time into it, but we do have the V's in all sizes on display and I've been fairly impressed, albeit they smear/streak a bit.

Anyhow, anybody have a V or W series Sony and care to chime in? Thanks.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 6:50 pm

I've finally settled on a 47" Sony Bravia KDL-46V3000. I can't wait!!

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 8:56 pm

For those of you who have a 360 and a TV that has a PC connection, do you have it hooked up that way or component?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 9:14 pm

MizzouRah wrote:I've finally settled on a 47" Sony Bravia KDL-46V3000. I can't wait!!

f*** you

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:11 pm

XXXIV wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:I've finally settled on a 47" Sony Bravia KDL-46V3000. I can't wait!!
f*** you

f*** you too!

TheGamer · Post by **TheGamer** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:25 am

MizzouRah wrote:I've finally settled on a 47" Sony Bravia KDL-46V3000. I can't wait!!

MizzouRah, my father in law has that set, you are going to love it immensely. Beautiful picture and sound.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:44 am

TheGamer wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:I've finally settled on a 47" Sony Bravia KDL-46V3000. I can't wait!!
MizzouRah, my father in law has that set, you are going to love it immensely. Beautiful picture and sound.

Glad to hear that!!! My neighbor has a similar set and it looks stunning.

Sport73 · Post by **Sport73** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:27 am

Yep, that's a great set. I just bought it for (on behalf of) my brother-in-law.

Make sure you calibrate it (yourself using Avia or even just a THX DVD). I noticed the set was especially wacky out of the box; low color saturation, a little red push, and (as always) too high on the contrast. Your results may vary, but I always recommend tuning to get the best picture with a trustworthy source.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:58 am

Sport73 wrote:Yep, that's a great set. I just bought it for (on behalf of) my brother-in-law.

Make sure you calibrate it (yourself using Avia or even just a THX DVD). I noticed the set was especially wacky out of the box; low color saturation, a little red push, and (as always) too high on the contrast. Your results may vary, but I always recommend tuning to get the best picture with a trustworthy source.

Will do, thanks!

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:19 pm

MizzouRah wrote:
XXXIV wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:I've finally settled on a 47" Sony Bravia KDL-46V3000. I can't wait!!
f*** you
f*** you too!

Such language

...

Seriously though I wish I had waited a little cause that sounds tooo sweet.

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:44 pm

Is the picture on HDMI that much better than Component? My receiver can't do HDMI, so I was thinking of hooking the satellite receiver directly into the TV and running the audio through my Denon. THoughts?

TheGamer · Post by **TheGamer** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:54 pm

There is a poster over on the AVSforums (Mr Bob) that is maintaining that component video is just as good as the HDMI. He is someone who calibrates and cleans sets.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:03 pm

XXXIV wrote:Such language ...

Seriously though I wish I had waited a little cause that sounds tooo sweet.

I'm VERY happy to get one under $2000.. and so is my wife. Playing the 360 is going to be great.. I also think I'll be able to get a ps3 eventually.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:30 pm

TheGamer wrote:There is a poster over on the AVSforums (Mr Bob) that is maintaining that component video is just as good as the HDMI. He is someone who calibrates and cleans sets.

The only problem is that you can't run 1080P off component...nor can you upscale DVDs to 720p or 1080i. So it seems like that would be quite a waste. If you're talking strictly 720p or 1080i resolution from a source like a cable/satellite box, then maybe that's true.

EZSnappin · Post by **EZSnappin** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:57 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:The only problem is that you can't run 1080P off component...nor can you upscale DVDs to 720p or 1080i. So it seems like that would be quite a waste. If you're talking strictly 720p or 1080i resolution from a source like a cable/satellite box, then maybe that's true.

Considering that fsquid specifically is talking about his satellite signal than your point is moot. Also, there is a hack for an older Oppo DVD player to upscale with component cables were one so inclined.

fsquid - I wouldn't worry about upgrading your receiver until you have a source that outputs 1080p. It will only get cheaper to replace your receiver as time goes by.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:42 pm

EZSnappin wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote:The only problem is that you can't run 1080P off component...nor can you upscale DVDs to 720p or 1080i. So it seems like that would be quite a waste. If you're talking strictly 720p or 1080i resolution from a source like a cable/satellite box, then maybe that's true.
Considering that fsquid specifically is talking about his satellite signal than your point is moot.

But if you notice, I quoted someone OTHER than fsquid...so it was more of a general commentary to someone's opinion on another message board...which of course could be taken out of context.