OT: NBA 2005-2006 Season Discussion

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:59 am

lexbur wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:great game, nba is making me lose sleep this year.
Yeah, I know I'm nothing but a low-life fairweather fan/bandwagon jumper, but man, I've REALLY enjoyed the NBA playoffs this year. I don't think I've ever been this excited about watching basketball.

I've always enjoyed the hockey playoffs in the past, but apparently the NHL doesn't want me to watch their playoffs this year. Especially after watching the Blue Jackets all year long, it's kind of a slap in the face to only throw me a bone once a week on Saturday afternoons. Way to grow your fan base, NHL.

But thanks to the NBA I haven't missed the NHL one bit.

And even if the Cavs lose their next two games, it's been a great run.

Btw, classy move by the Cavs yesterday, the whole team going to St. Louis for Larry Hughes' little brother's funeral.

Ya the playoffs have been great this year. I hadn't watched as many games in the past as I have this year. I think not having a dominating team which you knew would win it helps. It's more like the nfl this year where the playoffs are wide open and any team can win it.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Wed May 17, 2006 10:58 pm

Witness!

Man, Eric Snow got lucky. That could have gone down as one of the most boneheaded moves in NBA history.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Wed May 17, 2006 10:59 pm

Wow all of a sudden after 4 games in this series, Duncan is un-guardable without being fouled.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:10 pm

wco81 wrote:Wow all of a sudden after 4 games in this series, Duncan is un-guardable without being fouled.

He must have been picking up pointers from Dirk and his 39 FTA on 21 FGA in the previous 2 games!

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:42 pm

maybe rasheed and the pistons will shut up and play now. But not sure if they can beat CLE now. NBA will get it's LeBron vs Shaq matchup.

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:46 pm

wco81 wrote:Wow all of a sudden after 4 games in this series, Duncan is un-guardable without being fouled.

It's a conspiracy!!

Same thing with the Cavs!!!!

SoMisss2000 · Post by **SoMisss2000** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:51 pm

Leebo33 wrote:
wco81 wrote:Wow all of a sudden after 4 games in this series, Duncan is un-guardable without being fouled.
He must have been picking up pointers from Dirk and his 39 FTA on 21 FGA in the previous 2 games!

that's home cookin for you.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu May 18, 2006 12:01 am

Come on 10 fouls on guys guarding Duncan in less than a half?

Geez they want to extend this series at all costs.

As Barkley says, the officiating in these playoffs has been horrible, to put it charitably.

And usually Duncan is allowed to be brutalized so I guess they owe him something.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu May 18, 2006 12:20 am

Wow, I'm amazed Duncan didn't get a call with a little over 2 minutes left.

And Diop hasn't fouled out yet?

You can't even have one standard of officiating within the same game!

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Thu May 18, 2006 12:36 am

The jump balls at the end not sure about. I thought on the 2nd one they should have given a time out to Dallas. But then again, Finley got punched in the nuts so I guess a jump ball evens it out.

The block on dirk was great, but why was that a foul last game and not now. Dallas still had a chance to win but terry hurried it instead of maybe getting a dribble and shooting. Dallas is still in charge though so thats a positive.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Thu May 18, 2006 1:10 am

wco81 wrote:Come on 10 fouls on guys guarding Duncan in less than a half?

Geez they want to extend this series at all costs.

As Barkley says, the officiating in these playoffs has been horrible, to put it charitably.

And usually Duncan is allowed to be brutalized so I guess they owe him something.

The fouls on Duncan and the and-ones they were giving him were stupid beyond belief. He was throwing himself into the centers and getting calls. The Mavs were *begging* him to shoot that little 8 footer. Nope, Duncan just plows into you and gets the foul... no moves, put your head down and let's go. Parker travels on just about every play, and Ginobili did a neat trick where putting the ball behind your back distracts the ref from seeing you took 4 steps.

Oh well... at least I got a kick out of seeing the LeBrons win...

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Thu May 18, 2006 1:36 am

Kazuya wrote:
wco81 wrote:Come on 10 fouls on guys guarding Duncan in less than a half?

Geez they want to extend this series at all costs.

As Barkley says, the officiating in these playoffs has been horrible, to put it charitably.

And usually Duncan is allowed to be brutalized so I guess they owe him something.
The fouls on Duncan and the and-ones they were giving him were stupid beyond belief. He was throwing himself into the centers and getting calls. The Mavs were *begging* him to shoot that little 8 footer. Nope, Duncan just plows into you and gets the foul... no moves, put your head down and let's go. Parker travels on just about every play, and Ginobili did a neat trick where putting the ball behind your back distracts the ref from seeing you took 4 steps.

Oh well... at least I got a kick out of seeing the LeBrons win...

Bah. I saw nothing no worse than any of the stuff Dirk has been getting bailed out on.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu May 18, 2006 1:45 am

That may be. But then use that standard every game and even better, throughout a game.

Or gasp, apply to all players equally.

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Thu May 18, 2006 7:19 am

wco81 wrote:That may be. But then use that standard every game and even better, throughout a game.

Or gasp, apply to all players equally.

Why not also compain about the sun setting and rising? As I always say when is pass inteference and when is it not when it happens nearly every play. Or since this is the way it has always been time immorial from Jordan to Bird to Dr J and so on in the NBA your complaints always strike me as odd. What version of the NBA have you been watching your entire life? Superstars get calls. The game is played fast and since refs don't have the benefit of sitting and watching plays in slow mo instant replay like you do, they will always be judgment calls. Stars tend to get the benefit in those cases. You always act as if this is something new or some form of deceit when the entire sport has/is always been this way. There are some games that are officiated worse than other games. I'm not saying that doesn't exist of course. But some magic standard where everything is the same through your subjective eyes seems bizzare to me. Team play differently everytime. Players play differently everytime. Agressiveness changes the nature of how a game is called.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Thu May 18, 2006 11:30 am

wco81 wrote:Geez they want to extend this series at all costs.

Man, this just drives me crazy when I see it. Did it ever occur to the NBA Conspiracy theorists that 7 game series between playoff teams tend to go 6 or 7 games in sports?

If you ignore the first round, which may have some mismatches, here's how the NBA compares against the NHL in the past 5 complete postseasons. I also included MLB, but the number of series is obviously much smaller:

NHL: 4 games 9%
5 games 20%
6 games 31%
7 games 40%

NBA: 4 games 17%
5 games 23%
6 games 34%
7 games 26%

MLB: 4 games 13%
5 games 33%
6 games 13%
7 games 40%

We have arguments on calls in pickup games. I'm not sure I've ever played in or watched a basketball game at any level that didn't have questionable calls, pissed-off fans, or coaches screaming at the officials. Basketball is a difficult game to officiate and it's only getting harder. Almost every play requires the same judgment as a pass interference call in football and we know how controversial those can be.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu May 18, 2006 12:01 pm

reeche wrote:
wco81 wrote:That may be. But then use that standard every game and even better, throughout a game.

Or gasp, apply to all players equally.
Why not also compain about the sun setting and rising? As I always say when is pass inteference and when is it not when it happens nearly every play. Or since this is the way it has always been time immorial from Jordan to Bird to Dr J and so on in the NBA your complaints always strike me as odd. What version of the NBA have you been watching your entire life? Superstars get calls. The game is played fast and since refs don't have the benefit of sitting and watching plays in slow mo instant replay like you do, they will always be judgment calls. Stars tend to get the benefit in those cases. You always act as if this is something new or some form of deceit when the entire sport has/is always been this way. There are some games that are officiated worse than other games. I'm not saying that doesn't exist of course. But some magic standard where everything is the same through your subjective eyes seems bizzare to me. Team play differently everytime. Players play differently everytime. Agressiveness changes the nature of how a game is called.

It's always been bad. Some people accept it and some don't.

There are still times when you're not aware of refs affecting the game. Other times, they put themselves front and center so much that you are pulled violently out of the immersion that in sports, only athleticism and skills matter and nothing else.

If you could only write it off to judgement calls. It's amazing people won't tolerate such forms of cheating as performance-enhancing drugs because they eliminate a level playing field. But they don't mind bad officiating which also eliminates a level playing field? It must be about having tolerance for bullshit.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Thu May 18, 2006 1:11 pm

wco81 wrote:It's always been bad. Some people accept it and some don't.

So what are you supposed to do if you don't accept it? Stop watching? It seems like a lot of people that don't accept it watch anyway so why bother?

I'm just sick of all the bitching about the officiating whether it be the Champions League, Super Bowl, NHL, or NBA playoffs. I think it's fine to expect top notch officiating in sports, but I don't see anyone doing anything about it besides bitching. It's almost like people are watching NBA games just to find things to b*tch about regarding the officials.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu May 18, 2006 1:29 pm

Better to call it out rather than pretend it doesn't exist or pretend it's acceptable.

Complaisance or denial, neither is good for you.

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Thu May 18, 2006 2:17 pm

The Immaculate reception. A boxer's scorecard, Baseball strike zones, Michael Jordan shoving off on Russell, and the list goes on and on.

You will never get the 100% objective satisfaction you crave, but then sports fans are like housewives. They need something to complain about.

SoMisss2000 · Post by **SoMisss2000** » Thu May 18, 2006 6:30 pm

Jason Terry has been suspended for Game 6, lol. Gotta make it go 7 don't you Stern.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu May 18, 2006 6:54 pm

SoMisss2000 wrote:Jason Terry has been suspended for Game 6, lol. Gotta make it go 7 don't you Stern.

I guess players throwing punches and getting suspended now constitutes a conspiracy theory.

SoMisss2000 · Post by **SoMisss2000** » Thu May 18, 2006 9:32 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
SoMisss2000 wrote:Jason Terry has been suspended for Game 6, lol. Gotta make it go 7 don't you Stern.
I guess players throwing punches and getting suspended now constitutes a conspiracy theory.

no but you can grab a guy in the nads and squeeze and only get a fine. Terry was on the bottom when two guys on top of him (that doesn't sound right). He's trying to get up. NO ONE, knew that there was a problem with that scramble after the game.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Thu May 18, 2006 10:43 pm

Not to keep rehashing this but saying that the nba has the worst officating in all the major sports doesn't mean everything is a conspiracy theory.
This has been a problem for years in the NBA and seems to be systemic rather than some kind of mass conspiracy. I think that's what most of us are saying.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu May 18, 2006 10:57 pm

SoMisss2000 wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote:
SoMisss2000 wrote:Jason Terry has been suspended for Game 6, lol. Gotta make it go 7 don't you Stern.
I guess players throwing punches and getting suspended now constitutes a conspiracy theory.
no but you can grab a guy in the nads and squeeze and only get a fine. Terry was on the bottom when two guys on top of him (that doesn't sound right). He's trying to get up. NO ONE, knew that there was a problem with that scramble after the game.

He punched Finley in the junk...that's a little worse than the reacharound that Evans gave Kaman.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri May 19, 2006 12:44 am

Frankly I'm amazed that the Suns made the series last this long. They are significantly outmanned down low. They handled the Lakers because it was just Kwame Brown...but that just doesn't work with Elton Brand...that guy is virtually unstoppable by anyone on the Suns. Hopefully the Suns will give them a run in Game 7...but it just looks like they are dead tired...especially Nash.