MLB Playoffs

ddtrane · Post by **ddtrane** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:03 am

I just want to know what Scrap Iron(Phil Garner) was thinking bringing in Lidge? He doesn't have a lead for his #1 closer. But you have to play the odds I suppose. I thought that wasn't the place for Lidge yet.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:36 am

Sox are going to win this. They are getting hits from damn near everyone. Oswalt will probably win Game 3 but I just don't see Houston winning 4 of 5 with the way the Sox are playing.

I'm now going to hang myself with a Cubs jockstrap.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:19 am

Brando70 wrote: I'm now going to hang myself with a Cubs jockstrap.

Now thats an image...

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:41 am

Brando70 wrote:Sox are going to win this. They are getting hits from damn near everyone. Oswalt will probably win Game 3 but I just don't see Houston winning 4 of 5 with the way the Sox are playing.

I'm now going to hang myself with a Cubs jockstrap.

That's be preferable to having to continue to live in this town if they win. I pretty much threw up in my mouth when Podsednik hit the HR. This is quite clearly not my year...

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:28 am

I thought it was funny when Joe Buck asked whether or not Garner should have tried to get Lidge in the Game 6 win in St. Louis because of what happened in Game 5 with Pujols homerun. McCarver said something like "Nope. Lidge isn't even thinking about that, that's the furthest thing from his mind right now."

Then BAM! Pods hits a homerun.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 9:48 am

What a roller coaster of emotions last night. While I am concerned about the Astros being down 0-2, they have not played badly at all, save for the bullpen last night. When you have a bully that has played as well as Houston's has down the stretch, the only thing you can really do is tip your hat to the Sox. They are playing extremely well and got hot at just the right time. It is pretty damn difficult to beat ANY team who is playing as well as the Sox are right now. Should be interesting to see if they can keep this kind of momentum going into Minute Maid Park. If home field advantage has any impact at all in this series, I think you will see it in the next 2-3 games. Congrats to the Sox for so far being the best team in this Series....

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:48 am

ScoopBrady wrote:I thought it was funny when Joe Buck asked whether or not Garner should have tried to get Lidge in the Game 6 win in St. Louis because of what happened in Game 5 with Pujols homerun. McCarver said something like "Nope. Lidge isn't even thinking about that, that's the furthest thing from his mind right now."

Then BAM! Pods hits a homerun.

I thought the same thing. Then he says, "I guess he has a taste in his mouth now." What a goofball McCarver is. (insert foot into mouth)

tsunami · Post by **tsunami** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:41 pm

Great game last night! So many momentum swings in the last 3 innings. Hats off to the Sox for pulling that one out when they appeared to be on the ropes twice.

I think the Sox win this in 5, with the lone Astros win coming in Game 3 with Oswalt. With Clemens most likely done, I think there is talk already of bringing Pettite back on 3 days rest for a Game 5, if there is one. Their pitching staff is not looking too good right now.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:51 pm

DivotMaker wrote:They are playing extremely well and got hot at just the right time. It is pretty damn difficult to beat ANY team who is playing as well as the Sox are right now.

They have also benefited from the two worst calls I've seen in a long time (the Angel third strike) and the Dye foul ball. Without those two calls, they might not be where they are right now. I've never seen worse umpiring...truely horrific.

tjung0831 · Post by **tjung0831** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:54 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
DivotMaker wrote:They are playing extremely well and got hot at just the right time. It is pretty damn difficult to beat ANY team who is playing as well as the Sox are right now.
They have also benefited from the two worst calls I've seen in a long time (the Angel third strike) and the Dye foul ball. Without those two calls, they might not be where they are right now. I've never seen worse umpiring...truely horrific.

what goes around comes around. The Astros got a few great calls in the NLCS.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:57 pm

The White Sox have won 14 out of 15 games.
The umps didnt help them in every one of those games.

I do recall the Astros getting a pretty bad call to go their way in the NLCS.

Bad calls happen...especially this postseason.
Its what the Sox have done with those breaks that has been very impressive.
Credes double on an 0-2 pitch after the dropped 3rd strike.
Konerko hitting a slam on the very next pitch after the Dye call.

The Astros had a very questionable hit??? by a pitch with Bagwell ab in game 1..They failed to do anything with it.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:58 pm

Agree Tim. That phantom tag in game 6 was pathetic. That would have loaded the bases with nobody out.

What comes around goes around is the truth.

ddtrane · Post by **ddtrane** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:01 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
DivotMaker wrote:They are playing extremely well and got hot at just the right time. It is pretty damn difficult to beat ANY team who is playing as well as the Sox are right now.
They have also benefited from the two worst calls I've seen in a long time (the Angel third strike) and the Dye foul ball. Without those two calls, they might not be where they are right now. I've never seen worse umpiring...truely horrific.

I don't usually agree with what you say, but you're absolutely correct on this one. But it usually takes some luck and magic to win a title. And besides, I would love the CWS to win to shove it up the Cubbies arses.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:13 pm

ddtrane wrote:I don't usually agree with what you say, but you're absolutely correct on this one. But it usually takes some luck and magic to win a title. And besides, I would love the CWS to win to shove it up the Cubbies arses.

Yeah...luck is always involved. I am not discrediting what the Sox have done...they have been simply incredible the entire season (except for the last month really). It's what the good teams do...take advantage of calls and breaks given to them. They are doing that so far.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:31 pm

Not to get out of the "World Series" theme.. but

watching the Rams game yesterday and seeing that missed call by the refs on the supposed Conwell is not down, Rams strip the ball and score a TD to end the game for NO - has umping/refereing ever been so bad in pro sports? I'm a Rams fan, but shouldn't these refs be using instant replay to get these calls right?

I know most people are against instant replay in baseball, but I'm all for it. Pro football has it, USE IT!

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:32 pm

The thing with the CHISOX this year s that even when one of the Stars would be in a slump, someone else seems to step up the plate and come with a timing hit.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:32 pm

MizzouRah wrote: I'm a Rams fan, but shouldn't these refs be using instant replay to get these calls right?

Yes...

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:34 pm

MizzouRah wrote:Not to get out of the "World Series" theme.. but

watching the Rams game yesterday and seeing that missed call by the refs on the supposed Conwell is not down, Rams strip the ball and score a TD to end the game for NO - has umping/refereing ever been so bad in pro sports? I'm a Rams fan, but shouldn't these refs be using instant replay to get these calls right?

I know most people are against instant replay in baseball, but I'm all for it. Pro football has it, USE IT!

Yeah, I said that was the most ridiculous call I've seen in a long time on a football field in that NFL Thread. But then again, if the Saints had used their timeouts wisely, it would have been reviewable. It's their own damn fault for letting the officials decide the game.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:43 pm

I don't think the umping/refereeing is that much worse. There's a whole history of bad calls in pro sports dating back to time immemorial. It's just easier to spot them because of the technology we have now.

The Dye call, while not correct, wasn't that bad. It looked like it hit him. The dropped third strike call was much worse because the ump could not possibly have been able to see if the ball was in the dirt and therefore shouldn't have called a dropped third strike without some other evidence (i.e. the movement of the catcher, seeing the ball on the ground).

The real mistake after the Dye walk was the next pitch...

And I am happy to be out in corn country. Have seen nary a Sox fan here, just a bunch of depressed Herky fans after the Michigan choke.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:43 pm

MizzouRah wrote:I know most people are against instant replay in baseball, but I'm all for it. Pro football has it, USE IT!

Just because we have the technology to do so now doesn't mean that we should. I like the way the NFL instituted the use of IR. If baseball were to use it I wouldn't want it to be overused. If they had some sort of limit on it's use I'd be all for it. If it turned into every little thing being reviewed I'd be totally against it.

I also don't think there's been any substantial jump in missed calls or poor refereeing, I think technology is just able to expose it more than it could in the past. In real time I thought Dye did get hit last night until they showed the slow-motion zoomed-in replay on tv.

As long as IR doesn't make on-field officials get lazy and it doesn't overtake a game I'm all for it. Just remember though, IR doesn't always work. The Bears scored a go ahead touchdown against the Lions last year that didn't count even after reviewing it.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:47 pm

ScoopBrady wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:I know most people are against instant replay in baseball, but I'm all for it. Pro football has it, USE IT!
Just because we have the technology to do so now doesn't mean that we should. I like the way the NFL instituted the use of IR. If baseball were to use it I wouldn't want it to be overused. If they had some sort of limit on it's use I'd be all for it. If it turned into every little thing being reviewed I'd be totally against it.

I think a challenge system would work even better in baseball because the pace of the game is slower. Having to wait 2 minutes for a guy to come to bat is really no big deal in that sport. You give coaches a couple challenge opportunities, bar challenging balls and strikes, and let the umps access IR in crucial situations (like the Dye at bat, for instance).

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 3:12 pm

Brando70 wrote: The Dye call, while not correct, wasn't that bad. It looked like it hit him.

I don't know about that. I thought it hit the bat without even a replay. Why?

It was 40 degrees. If you get hit with a 90+ MPH fastball on the hands and the hands are connected to a bat, don't you think you would at least REACT to the PAIN that such an event would cause? If he had gotten hit, he would have HAD TO have been grimacing in pain and it would have been very evident, especially in that kind of weather....

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:04 pm

That's exactly what I said to my gf Divot. I said that had to hit the bat because he would be in some major pain if it hit him. Dye is a puss anyway and he's always hurt...he definitely woulda started crying. LOL...I know, he was a Brave for a while.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:14 pm

That's a lot of speculation about how Dye would react. Big-leaguers get hit all the time with balls and don't necessarily react with the agony most of us would show. I thought it hit the bat, too, because of the sound it made, but I'm just saying I can see how an ump behind the plate makes that call due to the way the pitch came in.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:26 pm

Brando70 wrote:That's a lot of speculation about how Dye would react. Big-leaguers get hit all the time with balls and don't necessarily react with the agony most of us would show.

90+ MPH fastball on the fingers in 40 degree weather? I don't know of ANY man who could take a hit like that and not even wince. We aren't talking about getting plunked in the ass here....