OT: Major League Baseball 2006 Season Discussion

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 11:51 am

Does anyone want A.J Burnett? What a bust...

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:23 pm

10spro wrote:Does anyone want A.J Burnett? What a bust...

Is it really considered a bust when he wasn't all that good to begin with? Now, if you want to call the Jays GM an idiot...that's fine.

fanatic · Post by **fanatic** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:49 pm

The way I look at it is that A.J. will hopefully evolve the more time he spends around Doc and pitching coach Brad Arnsberg. He's been terribly inconsistent since coming off the DL.

Right now, he's certainly a bust, overpaid, whatever you want to call it, however I think JP knew the risks and realized that a young, 100 mph throwing starter with nasty stuff and a lot of "raw potential", will always have a high trade value in today's pitching-deprived market.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 1:24 pm

matthewk wrote:
sfz_T-car wrote:I thought the package the Brewers got for Carlos Lee was pretty skimpy. Mench and Nix are marginal major leaguers with very limited untapped potential. I'd rather take my chances with Nelson Cruz than with either of them, although the Brewers organization knows a lot more about Cruz than I do. I think they'd be better off rolling the dice for prospects than the guys they got.

F. Cordero will help but again if you're throwing in the towel on 2006 by trading Lee, why not see if Capellan is capable of closing.

Maybe the Brewers will sign Bonds as a free agent
Capellan just went on the DL.

I just do not understand why they wanted Cordero. You now have the 3 stooges of closers.

Adding Cruz to the mix just makes it even more lopsided. Cruz was their best outfield prospect. They gave away the present AND future in left field for a bunch of below average players. It will be interesting to see just how much attendance drops now that management has basically told the fans "we surrender" for 2006.

Mench is not a "below average" player. He's slumped a bit this year, but the two previous seasons he was basically the exact same player as Carlos Lee. Cordero isn't anywhere close to being a below average pitcher either. Laynce Nix obviously is below average, but he is a good defender who may have an upside if he can learn to hit lefties. As a Rangers fan I'm OK with the trade, but I wasn't happy to lose Cordero because I think the fans have overblown his problems because of a few high profile games. He's been unhittable for most of the season.

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 5:50 pm

Mench is a passable player, but his stats have been padded by his home park in Texas. Over 2003-5, his home OPS is almost 100 points higher than his away number. He similar to Lee in some ways but in a 3/4 scale model way. He's probably best suited for a platoon role because he kills lefties.

I'm willing to see if Mike Maddux can do anything good with Cordero. He still has a live arm.

We'll see what Washington gets for Soriano but it sure looks like there's not much market for guys like Lee who are pretty much committed to test free agency. That may just be a reflection on the mediocrity in both leagues. GMs figure they can still make a playoff push with what they've got, so they don't have to deal away the future for two months.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 4:50 pm

Mets sweep the Braves at Turner field.

Beltran goes of again and sends best wishes to his #1 fan, Db.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 5:43 pm

Cards trade Hector Luna to the Tribe for Ronnie Belliard. I like the deal a whole lot. Nice little upgrade at second. Now, they need to pick up either another starter or a corner outfielder.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 6:45 pm

The Yankees get Abreu AND Lidle for four minor leaguers. I thought the NYY farm system was fairly devoid of talent? I'm sure the Yankees ability to take on 100% of the remaining contract had a lot to do with the Phillies agreeing to the deal.

Edit - just found this on ESPN Insider. Yep, the best "prospect" given up apparently is a 27-year old minor league left-handed pitcher, a LOOGY at best. As for the other three -

So the three minor-league players the Phils acquired aren't going to help the big-league club until at least 2009 or 2010, and none is good enough to be the centerpiece for a subsequent deal.

Ah the almighty Yankee dollar wins the day again. Awesome.

Hopefully that takes the market for Soriano down a bit and the Twins can get involved. The Nats are insisting on Matt Garza who has looked like the 2005 Francisco Liriano rocketing up through the minors, so the Twins won't pull the trigger.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 7:37 pm

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:Mets sweep the Braves at Turner field.

Beltran goes of again and sends best wishes to his #1 fan, Db.

Beltran and yourself can suck a cock. Only took the Mets 21 years to accomplish that.

JackDiggity · Post by **JackDiggity** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:17 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
jLp vAkEr0 wrote:Mets sweep the Braves at Turner field.

Beltran goes of again and sends best wishes to his #1 fan, Db.
Beltran and yourself can suck a cock. Only took the Mets 21 years to accomplish that.

I visit for a moment and get a laugh for the day. Thanks Scott!!

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 10:16 pm

C. Utley has a 31 hit streak going.

fanatic · Post by **fanatic** » Sun Jul 30, 2006 11:43 pm

Utley and Beltran...both amazing and both on my DSP Fantasy Team....

matthewk · Post by **matthewk** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:18 am

OK, so the Brewers and Phillies have put up the whie flags. Maybe Bud should make a new decree stating that any team who wish es to surrender can do so by the end of July. That team can then lay off their employees for the remainder of the year and not pay them. Unemplyment can pay them 60% of their 5 million salary until next year when they can call them back

I don't know what I hate more in baseball right now: All the steroid coverups (funny how Sosa and Palmeiro quietly ducked out of the majors) or teams who quit with 1/3 of the season left.

I love the game on the field, but I am sick of the games off.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:28 am

I don't follow your opinion at all on this issue. Look at the Twins, one of their many mid-90s white flag moments, Chuck Knoblauch, is still bringing the team dividends in the form of Jason Bartlett, a guy who should be a cheap starting SS for the next four years. The Indians' Bartolo Colon trade is another great example.

What separates many of the good small and mid-market teams from the Royals of the world is their ability to spin white flag trades into viable major league players. Of course when a team like the Phillies does a pure salary dump and gets little in return, it sucks.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 9:33 am

dbdynsty25 wrote:
jLp vAkEr0 wrote:Mets sweep the Braves at Turner field.

Beltran goes of again and sends best wishes to his #1 fan, Db.
Beltran and yourself can suck a cock. Only took the Mets 21 years to accomplish that.

Wow! I'm surprised it took this long for you to take out that argument.

laurenskye · Post by **laurenskye** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:20 am

dbdynsty25 wrote:
laurenskye wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote: All you gotta do is see last years Nationals...somehow stayed in first for a majority of the year and then just finally ran out of gas because they didn't have the talent the other teams in the division have. Same thing will hold true with the Tigers.
Hasn't started happening yet.

HOW 'BOUT THEM TIGERS!
Nats were in first till at least August...there is still PLENTY of time. It will happen. They won't win the division.

Still waiting...

kevinpars · Post by **kevinpars** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:38 am

The Mets are a the perfect team to break the hold Atlanta has had on the NL East. They remind me of many previous Brave's teams in that they look like a sure division winner that has little chance to advance in the post season due to some fatal flaws. In the Brave's case, this flaw was often a lack of clutch hitting. In the Met's case, it looks to be starting pitching. If Pedro doesn't hold up and Glavine doesn't get back to early season form, it won't matter if they win the division.

sfz_T-car · Post by **sfz_T-car** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:38 am

Sean Casey to Detroit for a minor leaguer. If healthy, his bat will help

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:48 am

Dave wrote:I don't follow your opinion at all on this issue.

Yeah, I agree. As disappointing as this season has been for the Tribe, the past couple weeks have been a little more interesting once they officially threw up the white flag and brought some kids up from the minors to see what they can do.

Another silver lining in throwing up the white flag with two months left... lots of empty seats at the Jake which means us diehard gluttons for punishment can buy the cheap seats and sneak in to the good seats with no problem, just like back in the day at the old Stadium.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:48 am

kevinpars wrote:The Mets are a the perfect team to break the hold Atlanta has had on the NL East. They remind me of many previous Brave's teams in that they look like a sure division winner that has little chance to advance in the post season due to some fatal flaws. In the Brave's case, this flaw was often a lack of clutch hitting. In the Met's case, it looks to be starting pitching. If Pedro doesn't hold up and Glavine doesn't get back to early season form, it won't matter if they win the division.

Yeah, 'cause the Cardinals, Padres and Reds have MUCH better starting pitching right? Plus, all 3 have a much better everyday lineup right? Oh, and I forget, their bullpens are just flat out better too.

The Mets flaw IS starting pitching, but look at the other contending NL teams. Not exactly Braves in the 90's rotations outhere.

Plus, Mets still have time to upgrade the rotation via trade.

Now if your speaking about winning the whole thing? It is VERY doubtful if they don't make any trades to upgrade the starters. Specially with Glavine going down the toilet lately. I'm not that concerned over Pedro, but Glavine has been horrible lately.

lexbur · Post by **lexbur** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 11:09 am

Interesting that there are rumors that the Red Sox are trying to trade Coco Crisp.

Guess the honeymoon's over for "The Next Johnny Damon".

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:14 pm

lexbur wrote:Interesting that there are rumors that the Red Sox are trying to trade Coco Crisp.

Guess the honeymoon's over for "The Next Johnny Damon".

Yeah...but the rumor is to Atlanta along with Dave Hanson and a prospect for Andruw Jones. Braves want Lester included in the deal though. THAT would F*CKING SUCK.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:44 pm

Duaner Sanchez out for the year thanx to a cab accident. WTF?

Minaya counters trading X. Nady to the Pirates for Oliver Perez and Rob Hernandez. Oh well, I liked Nady. I guess it's Milledge show in right from now on.

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 3:46 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
lexbur wrote:Interesting that there are rumors that the Red Sox are trying to trade Coco Crisp.

Guess the honeymoon's over for "The Next Johnny Damon".
Yeah...but the rumor is to Atlanta along with Dave Hanson and a prospect for Andruw Jones. Braves want Lester included in the deal though. THAT would F*CKING SUCK.

i just saw that! wow.

wtf about another starter?

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Mon Jul 31, 2006 10:29 pm

DAVID ORTIZ

man...guy is SICK!