If you own both systems (360 and PS3) and play one more than the other, how has the ps4 and One announcement changed that if at all. I like what sony has announced, but I play my 360 way more than my ps3. I only play some ps3 exclusives on my ps3, but game way more on my 360.
I want to pre-order a ps4, but I worry i will play it as much as i do my 360. I went ahead and pre-ordered a One, but am debating switching.
Also, the 360 controller just feels so much better to me.
Thoughts?
This is me in a nutshell and you know why I pre-ordered a PS4? The reaction of the crowd. I knew right then if I waited and wanted one 4 months from now I wouldn't be able to get one. The fact they can't give a release date means they don't know which means limited supply. I can cancel my order or sell it if I change my mind.
Second I don't care about used games or DRM to be honest and $100 means nothing to me. I hate the Kinnect being so involved in the system. My main gaming space is my theatre room with a 10 foot screen, a 1080p projector and 7.1 surround sound and it is pitch black. Kinnect has no where to sit and it doesn't work well down there. By forcing me to use this they have eliminated the one place I play.
I am still in the wait and see approach, but this is me in a nutshell as well. I never bought a PS3 and really had no desire except to play The Show, but I refuse to buy a console for just one or two games. So I am really ingrained with Live and MS's ecosystem so it will be hard for me to switch. While I do sell my used games quit a bit, I still want to learn more about MS's approach to this. Is it going to give me the same value as me selling the physical disc or no? But the main reason is I don't like how MS is shoving the kinect down our throats. I game in my office using a 32inch HD tv on my desk...I have no place to put a kinect sensor and I don't watch much TV in that location so I could care less about all the TV stuff with the xbone. Most of my TV watching is done with a DVR or streamed.
Can we use a xbone controller with the PS4??
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Danimal wrote:This is me in a nutshell and you know why I pre-ordered a PS4? The reaction of the crowd. I knew right then if I waited and wanted one 4 months from now I wouldn't be able to get one. The fact they can't give a release date means they don't know which means limited supply. I can cancel my order or sell it if I change my mind.
This. Why not pre-order the console you "think" might be the successful one, or the one YOU might play the most. No risk, no money down, free shipping (Amazon FTW), no lines. It's just the smart thing to do right now. Then you can wait and see. We have months to change our minds and likely will multiple times. At least I know I will.
It also helps that the PS4 is apparently around 30% more powerful than the 360. Sooo...we may see the gap in quality we currently see favoring the 360 because of it's power and the ease of programming advantage.
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Teal wrote:I've been buying more MS point cards recently than discs, and will be first in line to buy games on release digitally rather than on disc. That act alone will cause me to make fewer, and more thoughtful, purchases, but I love the convenience of "turn it on, play" over "turn it on
You would be in an elite group Teal. MS has stated the reason why their Games on Demand are priced at full retail is because it's similar to going to a convenience store, it's an impulse buy, convenience factor. As soon as you click Buy the game is yours.
I think this time around i'm going to buy PSN+ and just play their free games every month and only buy must have games.
Buying games digitally, knowing that there is no trade-in, no return, nothing...that makes me slow down and consider the purchase more carefully. I don't buy very many 'Games on Demand' right now, because it's kinda like Netflix. The games aren't put in there on release date, else I'd purchase there. The One is going to put out digital and disc on release date, and when I want a game, I'll more than likely go digital.
Spooky wrote:Can anyone point me to actual gameplay footage from these new consoles? Or more specifically, any gameplay footage that actually looks "next-gen" or better than what I see on the lastest gen of 360 games? I am having trouble finding anything...
I think you're a little bit nuts. I only watched the Xbox presentation and The Division gameplay footage and pretty much everything I saw blew away what I get from my 360 and PS3. I mean blew it away. That Roman soldiers game had some pretty insane s*** going on all over the place. The Battlefield 4 stuff shown at the Xbox show was incredible, what with all the water, and stuff flying around every which way. Very dense images. The gameplay footage of Dead Rising 3 was about one million miles ahead of the previous Dead Rising games. That bizarreness that is TitanFall could never be done on the current gen stuff. Maybe Ubisoft's The Division thing was being done on the PC but I think it might have been on the PS4 and it was way, way beyond what the 360 or the PS3 can do.
Spooky wrote:Can anyone point me to actual gameplay footage from these new consoles? Or more specifically, any gameplay footage that actually looks "next-gen" or better than what I see on the lastest gen of 360 games? I am having trouble finding anything...
I think you're a little bit nuts. I only watched the Xbox presentation and The Division gameplay footage and pretty much everything I saw blew away what I get from my 360 and PS3. I mean blew it away. That Roman soldiers game had some pretty insane s*** going on all over the place. The Battlefield 4 stuff shown at the Xbox show was incredible, what with all the water, and stuff flying around every which way. Very dense images. The gameplay footage of Dead Rising 3 was about one million miles ahead of the previous Dead Rising games. That bizarreness that is TitanFall could never be done on the current gen stuff. Maybe Ubisoft's The Division thing was being done on the PC but I think it might have been on the PS4 and it was way, way beyond what the 360 or the PS3 can do.
Danimal wrote:This is me in a nutshell and you know why I pre-ordered a PS4? The reaction of the crowd. I knew right then if I waited and wanted one 4 months from now I wouldn't be able to get one. The fact they can't give a release date means they don't know which means limited supply. I can cancel my order or sell it if I change my mind.
This. Why not pre-order the console you "think" might be the successful one, or the one YOU might play the most. No risk, no money down, free shipping (Amazon FTW), no lines. It's just the smart thing to do right now. Then you can wait and see. We have months to change our minds and likely will multiple times. At least I know I will.
It also helps that the PS4 is apparently around 30% more powerful than the 360. Sooo...we may see the gap in quality we currently see favoring the 360 because of it's power and the ease of programming advantage.
ABSO-FRIGGIN-LUTELY my thoughts DB. I can always cancel the preorder. I will keep an eye on things and make final decisions later. Amazon Prime = The Tits.
tjung0831 wrote:At this point, I'm keeping my options open and while PS4 sounds great right now, it's way to early to make any call on this so obviously no need to pre order anything at this point. I think some of you are jumping the gun Sony's $100 less price tag right now. I'm sure not going to make my decision based on $100 on something I'm going to have 6 or 7 years.
This is where I fall right now.....way too early in the game to tell and since there are strong indications there will be no Tiger 15 for ANY console, I may just wait and see how things fall out before making any purchases. I also think that EA is behind the MS push for the used game sales and always connected to the net/every 24 hour log in. If so, and if it is just EA, then I think MS will be forced to relax/remove these requirements. If it is more than EA, then who knows how this plays out.
I have not seen it mentioned before here in this thread, but do these announcements sound like the exact opposite of both company's strategies with the 360/PS3 with the only exception being they are launching in the same time frame? Seems MS has copped Sony's attitude prior to the PS3 launch with all the success they had with the PS2 and thinking they would win this generation just by showing up. Sony seems to be more like MS was when the 360 launched with something to prove and marketshare to gain when you take features and system specs/games into consideration. I think Sony has a real opportunity here to gain quick marketshare and definitely force MS to re-think their strategy where Sony has clear advantages. It is a long way to go to even launch date and even longer to see who is going to win this generation, but Sony has not hurt themselves in the least with this E3....welcome back to the party Sony.
We create the platform. We’ve certainly stated with our first party games, we’re not going to be doing that. But we welcome publishers and their business models to our platforms.
The DRM decision is going to have to be in the hands of the third parties. That’s not something that we’re going to dictate or mandate or control or implement.
Spooky wrote:Can anyone point me to actual gameplay footage from these new consoles? Or more specifically, any gameplay footage that actually looks "next-gen" or better than what I see on the lastest gen of 360 games? I am having trouble finding anything...
I think you're a little bit nuts. I only watched the Xbox presentation and The Division gameplay footage and pretty much everything I saw blew away what I get from my 360 and PS3. I mean blew it away. That Roman soldiers game had some pretty insane s*** going on all over the place. The Battlefield 4 stuff shown at the Xbox show was incredible, what with all the water, and stuff flying around every which way. Very dense images. The gameplay footage of Dead Rising 3 was about one million miles ahead of the previous Dead Rising games. That bizarreness that is TitanFall could never be done on the current gen stuff. Maybe Ubisoft's The Division thing was being done on the PC but I think it might have been on the PS4 and it was way, way beyond what the 360 or the PS3 can do.
I don't think he's nuts. I see it as he does as well. Maybe some of us just no longer buy into the hype.
Naples39 wrote:Before popping open the champagne...
Sony CEO Jack Tretton
We create the platform. We’ve certainly stated with our first party games, we’re not going to be doing that. But we welcome publishers and their business models to our platforms.
The DRM decision is going to have to be in the hands of the third parties. That’s not something that we’re going to dictate or mandate or control or implement.
DivotMaker wrote:
I have not seen it mentioned before here in this thread, but do these announcements sound like the exact opposite of both company's strategies with the 360/PS3 with the only exception being they are launching in the same time frame? Seems MS has copped Sony's attitude prior to the PS3 launch with all the success they had with the PS2 and thinking they would win this generation just by showing up. Sony seems to be more like MS was when the 360 launched with something to prove and marketshare to gain when you take features and system specs/games into consideration. I think Sony has a real opportunity here to gain quick marketshare and definitely force MS to re-think their strategy where Sony has clear advantages. It is a long way to go to even launch date and even longer to see who is going to win this generation, but Sony has not hurt themselves in the least with this E3....welcome back to the party Sony.
It does seem like role reversal. The pendulum swung once for the 360/PS3 and now all the way back again this time.
However, one big advantage MS had last time besides the price was that they had laid the groundwork for XBL before that launch while Sony did very little about online. And that advantage has not gone away. Despite all of Sony's efforts to catch up, they are still way behind, and MS seems to be pushing even further forward in terms of XBL rather than just sitting on their laurels.
But otherwise, yes, with PS3 it seems Sony was sure BluRay would justify the higher price and kill two birds with one stone, namely helping them with the Hi-Def disc format war from Toshiba as well as sell a lot of PS3 units. Well, it didn't seem to push a lot of PS3 units when compared to the 360 and they fell behind, yet in the end they did win the Hi-Def disc format war quite decisively, likely due in large part to the BluRay built into the PS3. Weird.
Spooky wrote:Can anyone point me to actual gameplay footage from these new consoles? Or more specifically, any gameplay footage that actually looks "next-gen" or better than what I see on the lastest gen of 360 games? I am having trouble finding anything...
I think you're a little bit nuts. I only watched the Xbox presentation and The Division gameplay footage and pretty much everything I saw blew away what I get from my 360 and PS3. I mean blew it away. That Roman soldiers game had some pretty insane s*** going on all over the place. The Battlefield 4 stuff shown at the Xbox show was incredible, what with all the water, and stuff flying around every which way. Very dense images. The gameplay footage of Dead Rising 3 was about one million miles ahead of the previous Dead Rising games. That bizarreness that is TitanFall could never be done on the current gen stuff. Maybe Ubisoft's The Division thing was being done on the PC but I think it might have been on the PS4 and it was way, way beyond what the 360 or the PS3 can do.
I don't think he's nuts. I see it as he does as well. Maybe some of us just no longer buy into the hype.
I'm not buying into any hype, I'm simply seeing what is on the screen and comparing it to the games I've been playing the last several years on my consoles. I haven't seen any sorts game stuff, and frankly sports games have never been among the most visually impressive games on any system.
Now, visuals may not be very important to you as a gamer, and that's fine, but to say the stuff shown at the Xbone show is little or no different from what the 360 can do now is simply not accurate.
Naples39 wrote:Before popping open the champagne...
Sony CEO Jack Tretton
We create the platform. We’ve certainly stated with our first party games, we’re not going to be doing that. But we welcome publishers and their business models to our platforms.
The DRM decision is going to have to be in the hands of the third parties. That’s not something that we’re going to dictate or mandate or control or implement.
But the point is that it's being decided by the publishers (like it is now), not mandated by the console maker. Big difference. Champagne popped.
Right. It's today's system continued. We will see the continuation of the online pass system or something similar, but it's not enforced and universal.
dbdynsty25 wrote:But the point is that it's being decided by the publishers (like it is now), not mandated by the console maker. Big difference. Champagne popped.
Certainly better than XB1 plan from a consumer perspective, but leaving in the hands of 3rd parties is not the same as no DRM either. That "how to share ps4 games" video needs a pretty big asterisk it seems.
I'm really wondering how this will play out. Will PS4 games have online passes? Will XB1 games be cheaper? Will they go on sale XBL when they remain full price on ps4? Will many devs lock their PS4 games to mirror their xbox versions? Will this lead to more exclusives on XB1?
I'm just skeptical that's it's purely PS4 wins and XB1 loses.
Zeppo wrote:I'm not buying into any hype, I'm simply seeing what is on the screen and comparing it to the games I've been playing the last several years on my consoles. I haven't seen any sorts game stuff, and frankly sports games have never been among the most visually impressive games on any system.
Now, visuals may not be very important to you as a gamer, and that's fine, but to say the stuff shown at the Xbone show is little or no different from what the 360 can do now is simply not accurate.
Yeah. Just do a google search for each of the new games that were announced with "gameplay footage" appended to it. There's plenty of video of graphics that blow away the current gen. If you can't see the difference then I think you need your eyes checked. I'm not saying there are any games that look particularly exciting to me right now but they certainly look way better graphically than anything currently on the 360 or PS3. There are some current PC games (Crysis 3, Metro: Last Night) that look that good but that's about it.
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dbdynsty25 wrote:But the point is that it's being decided by the publishers (like it is now), not mandated by the console maker. Big difference. Champagne popped.
Certainly better than XB1 plan from a consumer perspective, but leaving in the hands of 3rd parties is not the same as no DRM either. That "how to share ps4 games" video needs a pretty big asterisk it seems.
I'm really wondering how this will play out. Will PS4 games have online passes? Will XB1 games be cheaper? Will they go on sale XBL when they remain full price on ps4? Will many devs lock their PS4 games to mirror their xbox versions? Will this lead to more exclusives on XB1?
I'm just skeptical that's it's purely PS4 wins and XB1 loses.
That's a good point. If MS' model is "for the developers" and PS' model is "for the consumer" (a bit of overplayed hyperbole, I think), then my thought is that, if Sony is leaving the DRM stuff in the hands of the developer, then more and more developers will adopt the online pass stuff for Sony's machine, which, in turn, will make the unwashed masses crow and cry foul, because ultimately, it seems some people want something for nothing. Eliminating the online pass stuff is, in my opinion, actually a good move for MS in the long run, and for gaming in general. There's a reason people who make a living making games don't like the used game market, and it's simple. They don't make any money off of used games. Hell, it's a reasonable point. Like Metallica with Napster.
But I digress. As I said earlier, E3 is just high profile, 'you-only-see-what-we-want-you-to-see' bullshit. Once they put down the 3 day smoke and mirrors act, things will balance out again.
I think one things that's been misleading regarding graphics quality is for something like BF4, for instance, they keep showing PC versions in these previews.
LAking wrote:There's plenty of video of graphics that blow away the current gen. If you can't see the difference then I think you need your eyes checked.
I don't know Honda doesn't make anything if I sell my car used so why should we care if people making video games or movies etc don't make a cent if I resell my game. What's next I need to pay a percentage to everyone on the planet when we have a garage sale?
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