XBox One AND PS4 Discussion

[Rodster]

Can anyone point me to actual gameplay footage from these new consoles? Or more specifically, any gameplay footage that actually looks "next-gen" or better than what I see on the lastest gen of 360 games? I am having trouble finding anything...

You won't and just looking at the PS4 Madden screenshots, they look similar to what's already on the current consoles.

[webdanzer]

Regarding the used game issue, it'd be interesting to see what happens if MS stays as restricted as they seem now and Sony stays as free as they seem. Could finally put the "used game issue" to the test. Does more money get poured into the industry from gamers buying more games with trade-in value help, or by buying in the first place knowing they can get rid of the game for a few bucks when they tire of it? Or, on the other hand, do we really see the publishers and devs seeing more sales and money in a restricted market where customers can't buy used, or rent, or borrow as easily. Or do we see that many of those folks were never going to buy new anyway, or are much more careful with their purchases knowing they can't get rid of the game as easily.

[Rodster]

Regarding the used game issue, it'd be interesting to see what happens if MS stays as restricted as they seem now and Sony stays as free as they seem. Could finally put the "used game issue" to the test. Does more money get poured into the industry from gamers buying more games with trade-in value help, or by buying in the first place knowing they can get rid of the game for a few bucks when they tire of it? Or, on the other hand, do we really see the publishers and devs seeing more sales and money in a restricted market where customers can't buy used, or rent, or borrow as easily. Or do we see that many of those folks were never going to buy new anyway, or are much more careful with their purchases knowing they can't get rid of the game as easily.

I can only speak for myself. I rarely buy used games but I do trade-in games on occasion to Amazon. The biggest problem I have with the X ONE is that you only own the license to the game, the game disc means nothing as it's just the means to install the game. That is just bullsh*t and I prefer to run the game from the disc drive and if my internet connection goes down I don't need to prove to a gaming console I bought that game every 24 hrs.

I have nothing against someone who doesn't think it's a problem but I do. So props to Sony for doing the right thing even if it meant they were probably leaning on doing the same thing as MS but changed their minds.

[Sudz]

My question:

If you own both systems (360 and PS3) and play one more than the other, how has the ps4 and One announcement changed that if at all. I like what sony has announced, but I play my 360 way more than my ps3. I only play some ps3 exclusives on my ps3, but game way more on my 360.

I want to pre-order a ps4, but I worry i will play it as much as i do my 360. I went ahead and pre-ordered a One, but am debating switching.

Also, the 360 controller just feels so much better to me.

Thoughts?

[Rodster]

My question:

If you own both systems (360 and PS3) and play one more than the other, how has the ps4 and One announcement changed that if at all. I like what sony has announced, but I play my 360 way more than my ps3. I only play some ps3 exclusives on my ps3, but game way more on my 360.

I want to pre-order a ps4, but I worry i will play it as much as i do my 360. I went ahead and pre-ordered a One, but am debating switching.

Also, the 360 controller just feels so much better to me.

Thoughts?

Ditto to all of the above. I still preordered a PS4. When MS decides to roll back or eliminate their draconian DRM then i'll buy an XONE.

[Naples39]

Regarding the used game issue, it'd be interesting to see what happens if MS stays as restricted as they seem now and Sony stays as free as they seem. Could finally put the "used game issue" to the test. Does more money get poured into the industry from gamers buying more games with trade-in value help, or by buying in the first place knowing they can get rid of the game for a few bucks when they tire of it? Or, on the other hand, do we really see the publishers and devs seeing more sales and money in a restricted market where customers can't buy used, or rent, or borrow as easily. Or do we see that many of those folks were never going to buy new anyway, or are much more careful with their purchases knowing they can't get rid of the game as easily.

I can only speak for myself. I rarely buy used games but I do trade-in games on occasion to Amazon. The biggest problem I have with the X ONE is that you only own the license to the game, the game disc means nothing as it's just the means to install the game. That is just bullsh*t and I prefer to run the game from the disc drive and if my internet connection goes down I don't need to prove to a gaming console I bought that game every 24 hrs.

I have nothing against someone who doesn't think it's a problem but I do. So props to Sony for doing the right thing even if it meant they were probably leaning on doing the same thing as MS but changed their minds.

If you don't play in the used game market, why would you want to bother with physical discs at all? It's just clutter. No discs is one of Steam's best features IMO.

[MizzouRah]

Can anyone point me to actual gameplay footage from these new consoles? Or more specifically, any gameplay footage that actually looks "next-gen" or better than what I see on the lastest gen of 360 games? I am having trouble finding anything...

Nothing I've seen is mind blowing over anything we currently have on current gen... and as far an indie developers go, I'll buy those on Steam and play on my pc.

[tjung0831]

At this point, I'm keeping my options open and while PS4 sounds great right now, it's way to early to make any call on this so obviously no need to pre order anything at this point. I think some of you are jumping the gun Sony's $100 less price tag right now. I'm sure not going to make my decision based on $100 on something I'm going to have 6 or 7 years.

[MizzouRah]

My question:

If you own both systems (360 and PS3) and play one more than the other, how has the ps4 and One announcement changed that if at all. I like what sony has announced, but I play my 360 way more than my ps3. I only play some ps3 exclusives on my ps3, but game way more on my 360.

I want to pre-order a ps4, but I worry i will play it as much as i do my 360. I went ahead and pre-ordered a One, but am debating switching.

Also, the 360 controller just feels so much better to me.

Thoughts?

I have both and nothing I've seen has allowed me to make a decision either way except that I'm definitely waiting.. I'm with you, I play my x360 for everything except for blue ray movies. Doesn't mean I won't enjoy a ps4, but besides saving $100, nothing has me preordering anything at this point.

[webdanzer]

If you don't play in the used game market, why would you want to bother with physical discs at all? It's just clutter. No discs is one of Steam's best features IMO.

Well, one reason:



Also, I take games to the houses of friends and family. I let my son bring some to his (offline) pal's house. I have hundreds of games. If these games were all digital-only on a system that died, (next gen hardware failures, never!) I'd have to re-download and re-install everything to get them to play again on a new system? With a disc, far easier. (Actually went through that with a 360 failure...very easy to continue playing disc games on the new system, PITA for the digital arcade stuff)

And I have that many games in two binders that tuck nicely away in one drawer in my entertainment center, no clutter at all.

[webdanzer]

I am really surprised that some don't care much at all about the ownership restrictions, DRM and data-mining aspects MS is adding with the One. I understand the tide of games-as-service is a tsunami, and questing against it is probably quixotic, but games as product is SO much better for the consumer that I think it is worth to try to swim as long as one can.

I've seen the comment "That's the way things are going, so might as well get used to it" quite a bit, which is puzzling to me, because we can vote with our wallet to at least postpone the screwage.

The camera drives me nuts, too, with MS only allowing us to play games if they can observe and listen to who plays and how they play. In light of the PRISM stuff and NSA wiretapping I had been wondering if there was a way to introduce myself to more personal scrutiny...

[wco81]

Publishers may still impose schemes to block used-games on the PS4, like the EA Online Pass thing.

Ubisoft is coming out with an MMO called The Division, which will require 24-hour checkins.

I am really surprised that some don't care much at all about the ownership restrictions, DRM and data-mining aspects MS is adding with the One. I understand the tide of games-as-service is a tsunami, and questing against it is probably quixotic, but games as product is SO much better for the consumer that I think it is worth to try to swim as long as one can.

I've seen the comment "That's the way things are going, so might as well get used to it" quite a bit, which is puzzling to me, because we can vote with our wallet to at least postpone the screwage.

The camera drives me nuts, too, with MS only allowing us to play games if they can observe and listen to who plays and how they play. In light of the PRISM stuff and NSA wiretapping I had been wondering if there was a way to introduce myself to more personal scrutiny...

Yeah people seem pretty defeatist, like "what are you going to do?" type of an attitude. Polls apparently show that most Americans are fine with the spying stuff because politicians assured them that the NSA work is preventing terrorist attacks.

[Sudz]

I am really surprised that some don't care much at all about the ownership restrictions, DRM and data-mining aspects MS is adding with the One. I understand the tide of games-as-service is a tsunami, and questing against it is probably quixotic, but games as product is SO much better for the consumer that I think it is worth to try to swim as long as one can.

I've seen the comment "That's the way things are going, so might as well get used to it" quite a bit, which is puzzling to me, because we can vote with our wallet to at least postpone the screwage.

The camera drives me nuts, too, with MS only allowing us to play games if they can observe and listen to who plays and how they play. In light of the PRISM stuff and NSA wiretapping I had been wondering if there was a way to introduce myself to more personal scrutiny...

I'll let them see what games I play and when if they use it to give me a better gaming experience. Is the camera truly always on and tracking people?

[webdanzer]

I'll let them see what games I play and when if they use it to give me a better gaming experience. Is the camera truly always on and tracking people?

Full extent of this is hazy right now. It'll be interesting to see if you can play a game like Forza with a shoebox over the sensors, or if the software really has a need to 'see' you and ID you before it allows you to play. There is honestly not a lot of fear here on my end, but there's a lot of audacity in MS to require the system when the amount of games one will 'need' it for is probably very proportionally small, unless such needs are artificially inflated.

But here's why the Kinect is really required...for things like this:

http://www.digitalstrategyconsulting.co ... cheats.php

Microsoft said it wants to incentivise television viewing by offering tangible “achievements” to everyone watching video content on its devices.

The move is a natural extention of the “achievements” Xbox 360 users currently unlock by completing in-game tasks.

The Microsoft patent states that television watching currently “tends to be a passive experience for a viewer.”

To increase interactive viewing and “encourage a user to watch one or more particular items of video content, awards and achievements may be tied to those items of video content,” the document logged with the US Patent and Trademark Office said.

“Producers, distributors, and advertisers of the video content may set viewing goals and award a viewer who has reached the goals.”

The reward could be virtual, in the form of extra scores on a game, or “coupons for an advertised product or service, or an actual product.”

Viewers who complete a series could be rewarded with free downloads of a future show or a new game.

The service would ensure the viewer is present to view the ad by using the Kinect sensor. The patent suggests that the reward system could me made compatibile with Microsoft’s Kinect sensor.

The viewing behaviour could include “an action performable by the viewer and detectable by one or more sensors, such as a depth camera.” A sensor could detect whether a viewer’s eyes were really on the screen.

The patent also mentions a system “configured to track the viewing behaviours of one or more viewers” that can “compile one or more user-specific reports of the viewing behaviors, and send the user-specific reports to a remote device to determine whether the user-viewing goal has been met.”

Microsoft believes its patent, which it called The Awards and Achievements Across TV Ecosystem, will find favour with advertisers struggling to target viewers who can now speed through commercial breaks at high speed using digital catch-up services.

Commenting on the move, Vanessa Barnett, Technology & Media Partner at Charles Russell LLP, commented: “The patent filing by Microsoft is an interesting one – proper Big Brother in my living room, it seems. But, pause for thought, is this not what many products and services already do? If we think about the functionality of online shopping, personal video recorders and loyalty cards, it’s the same end game isn’t it?

“What’s new with Microsoft is that the deployment of the ‘Big Brother’ aspects are very evolved, technologically. So I predict the usual strong ‘anti’ reaction, followed by a spell of calm, followed by mass adoption. Why? Because that’s what happens every time we see new technology – and this one has some consumer benefits wrapped up inside. The key to this, from a legal perspective, will be transparency – being clear about what data is being collected, how it’s being used, and – of course – the ability to say ‘no thanks’.”

[wco81]

Game sharing on the Xbox One:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLmKpV0i8t4

[Rodster]

Publishers may still impose schemes to block used-games on the PS4, like the EA Online Pass thing.

Ubisoft is coming out with an MMO called The Division, which will require 24-hour checkins.

I agree and given the fact that Sony says they WON'T put restrictions on selling used games doesn't mean the Publishers won't. So we could still see EA putting some restrictions on what PS4 games might be accepted at retail or include a one time code in their games that require you to pay extra if you want to buy a used copy.

I don't think we've heard all the PS4 used game details from the publishers just yet but at least Sony isn't doing that with their own games and is putting pressure on 3rd party publishers to do the right thing and not follow MS.

[Teal]

Having said that I didn't see one person say they pre-ordered a XB1 and my twitter feed is blown up with I just pre-order a PS4 so EA has no choice but to go to the system that sells.

I can't believe I am saying this but Sony choose the consumer over the publisher. Now it is just a matter of seeing how publishers react.

I realize I'm in the minority but I pre-ordered an Xbox One and am not pre-ordering a PS4. My main reasons:

* Me and my family love our Kinect games
* The new Kinect will work even better for us with a wider camera range and better voice recognition (especially for my short, high pitch voiced 8 year old daughter)
* Forza 5
* I have a PS3 and Vita and hardly ever use them, don't know why but the games haven't appealed to me and I struggle with the controls for both
* And as far as Sony's dig at Microsoft and online activation, used games, etc - I buy a lot of games digitally (I hate swapping discs/cards) and my PS3 and Vita games won't play if I haven't connected online recently (gee Sony, hypocritical much?)
* I don't have a problem with similar restrictions with my Steam account either - it is the future of game purchasing, physical media will die at some point

I guess Microsoft's plan just doesn't bother me that much

While the fireworks directed at MS from Sony last night were good TV and all, I tend to agree with this. I've been buying more MS point cards recently than discs, and will be first in line to buy games on release digitally rather than on disc. That act alone will cause me to make fewer, and more thoughtful, purchases, but I love the convenience of "turn it on, play" over "turn it on, open the tray, take out one disc, put in another disc, close the tray, play". Another: I know that Sony has finally added concave triggers over those horrible triggers on the PS3, but I just hate their controller style. It doesn't "fit" naturally, and the new one is just the old one stretched out a bit, from what I can see. Also, we play quite a bit of Kinect at our house. Lastly, I didn't realize that Sony required some connectivity in order to play with the PS3...that would have made me laugh out loud at the dig last night rather than 'ooh' at the dig. It's what I told a buddy last night. He was smack talking the Xbox (fanboyism) and what he called "their bullshit". I just said, dude, it's E3...it's ALL bullshit.

[RobVarak]

I am really surprised that some don't care much at all about the ownership restrictions, DRM and data-mining aspects MS is adding with the One. I understand the tide of games-as-service is a tsunami, and questing against it is probably quixotic, but games as product is SO much better for the consumer that I think it is worth to try to swim as long as one can.

The ownership restrictions on games don't bother me as much as with other media. Music is something that I want to own, to be able to copy, share and move around as I wish for as long as I wish. Games are something that I play and then don't play. It's so incredibly rare for me to revisit a game that's even more than a year old that I have no real worry about not accessing something a year or two old. I have a few older games that I've finished gathering dust somewhere in the faint hope that I'll revisit them, but the reality is that I don't. And I certainly don't have the archivist impulse that I do for music or books. Judging from your storage system, you do, which is cool.

My opinion on data acquisition is pretty much the same as it is for all media. If you can give me an experience back that is richer, more rewarding, cheaper or more efficient, then I'm ready to allow you to collect a limited amount of data about me. I obviously have concerns with MS and every other enterprise keeping data that's not anonymous or secure, but I haven't seen enough details yet to know what the totality of MS's plans in this area are. There's certainly enough out there to give me pause, but this is a prime reason I'm taking a wait-and-see approach for the next gen.

[dbdynsty25]

I think some of you are jumping the gun Sony's $100 less price tag right now. I'm sure not going to make my decision based on $100 on something I'm going to have 6 or 7 years.

I know I'm certainly not worried about the price tag if they are under $500. I do know that my gaming has diminished on the console and the one game I play more than any other is MLB The Show. So if I only have one console, it's going to be the one that allows me to buy and sell used (mostly care about the sell part) and the game that has my favorite exclusive game. It's really that simple. I only need one console. I'll keep my 360 for a few years most likely because there will be a lot of games that come out for both the 360 and the One so I'll be covered there for a bit at least. And if all else fails and the One is a huge hit, there's nothing preventing me from dropping another 5 hundo.

[Rodster]

I've been buying more MS point cards recently than discs, and will be first in line to buy games on release digitally rather than on disc. That act alone will cause me to make fewer, and more thoughtful, purchases, but I love the convenience of "turn it on, play" over "turn it on

You would be in an elite group Teal. MS has stated the reason why their Games on Demand are priced at full retail is because it's similar to going to a convenience store, it's an impulse buy, convenience factor. As soon as you click Buy the game is yours.

I think this time around i'm going to buy PSN+ and just play their free games every month and only buy must have games.

[Inuyasha]

Can anyone point me to actual gameplay footage from these new consoles? Or more specifically, any gameplay footage that actually looks "next-gen" or better than what I see on the lastest gen of 360 games? I am having trouble finding anything...

Bingo! Nothing from EA on the next gen has really wowed me. The games are probably still being made and not finalized, but it's not much of a jump from 360. NBA Live or whatever they're calling it looked terrible. Let's see how Madden looks when the players are lined up for snap.

I'm more looking for innovation in the next gen. But I'm sure we'll get retreads from the same players.

[Danimal]

My question:

If you own both systems (360 and PS3) and play one more than the other, how has the ps4 and One announcement changed that if at all. I like what sony has announced, but I play my 360 way more than my ps3. I only play some ps3 exclusives on my ps3, but game way more on my 360.

I want to pre-order a ps4, but I worry i will play it as much as i do my 360. I went ahead and pre-ordered a One, but am debating switching.

Also, the 360 controller just feels so much better to me.

Thoughts?

This is me in a nutshell and you know why I pre-ordered a PS4? The reaction of the crowd. I knew right then if I waited and wanted one 4 months from now I wouldn't be able to get one. The fact they can't give a release date means they don't know which means limited supply. I can cancel my order or sell it if I change my mind.

Second I don't care about used games or DRM to be honest and $100 means nothing to me. I hate the Kinnect being so involved in the system. My main gaming space is my theatre room with a 10 foot screen, a 1080p projector and 7.1 surround sound and it is pitch black. Kinnect has no where to sit and it doesn't work well down there. By forcing me to use this they have eliminated the one place I play.

[wco81]

Can anyone point me to actual gameplay footage from these new consoles? Or more specifically, any gameplay footage that actually looks "next-gen" or better than what I see on the lastest gen of 360 games? I am having trouble finding anything...

Bingo! Nothing from EA on the next gen has really wowed me. The games are probably still being made and not finalized, but it's not much of a jump from 360. NBA Live or whatever they're calling it looked terrible. Let's see how Madden looks when the players are lined up for snap.

I'm more looking for innovation in the next gen. But I'm sure we'll get retreads from the same players.

Remember the features you lost in the first versions of Madden for this generation? Or the first versions of Tiger Woods having much fewer courses? Oh now they will sell you extra stuff as DLC though.

Meanwhile the fundamental gameplay still has the same issues, across what 3 or 4 generations?

[Inuyasha]

Can anyone point me to actual gameplay footage from these new consoles? Or more specifically, any gameplay footage that actually looks "next-gen" or better than what I see on the lastest gen of 360 games? I am having trouble finding anything...

Bingo! Nothing from EA on the next gen has really wowed me. The games are probably still being made and not finalized, but it's not much of a jump from 360. NBA Live or whatever they're calling it looked terrible. Let's see how Madden looks when the players are lined up for snap.

I'm more looking for innovation in the next gen. But I'm sure we'll get retreads from the same players.

Remember the features you lost in the first versions of Madden for this generation? Or the first versions of Tiger Woods having much fewer courses? Oh now they will sell you extra stuff as DLC though.

Meanwhile the fundamental gameplay still has the same issues, across what 3 or 4 generations?

I think EA has said for this next gen, they won't do that anymore and all the features from 360/PS3 will be there on PS4/XB1.

There are some conspiracy theories out there though about how EA may screw Sony out of features due to their close knit business relationship with MS. Who knows, it's just rumors and probably all BS. I'll wait and see when these games come out and most likely purchase in 2014/2015.

I play sports games 95 percent of the time so a killer sports game is what is going to sell me on one of these consoles.

[Pete1210]

My question:

If you own both systems (360 and PS3) and play one more than the other, how has the ps4 and One announcement changed that if at all. I like what sony has announced, but I play my 360 way more than my ps3. I only play some ps3 exclusives on my ps3, but game way more on my 360.

I want to pre-order a ps4, but I worry i will play it as much as i do my 360. I went ahead and pre-ordered a One, but am debating switching.

Also, the 360 controller just feels so much better to me.

Thoughts?

I play 360 much more than PS3. That was mostly due to friends gaming on xbox live, a 2-3 year head start and partly due to achievement addiction.

I still don't completely understand how the whole DRM thing will work on Xbox One. PS4 status quo, thank you very much. Not interested in Kinect anymore. I don't game online as much. So it makes it easier to switch to PS4. If that's the only new console (at first) in the house, I am sure that will get most of my attention.

I also much prefer the 360 controller over PS3. The PS4 controller looks a little different though, a little bigger and more rounded (xbox like) handles.