XBox One AND PS4 Discussion

[Aristo]

Xbox One ....77k
360...57k



360 still kicking ass.

Does anyone have the 360... ps3 numbers? Cause I haven't seen any for years. What happened with that?

The PS4 overtook the 360 in worldwide totals, but in North America the 360 is the overwhelming winner.

Part of Microsoft's problem is that they doubled down on features that we mostly meaningless in Europe, which made the XB1 even less popular. Combine that with DRM rhetoric, and Microsoft has been fighting to avoid a complete disaster, and so far they are failing that. They do have strong sales so far, but that's because this gen has been much more successful than anyone thought, so Microsoft can't ignore that the trend, despite sales number close to what they were shooting for, is not good at all.

They did nearly everything I had said they should, minus the most important one. Once they released the Kinectless SKU, they really needed to drop the price to $350 without the Kinect and $400 with. That would have moved consoles out of E3. Maybe they are selling like crazy now, but I doubt it.

The One is an easy choice for me because I was always going to use it as my primary media streaming device, and I don't want to use a controller to deal with Amazon, Netflix, and everything else. I use the Harmony remote to access all of it, and even use it to scroll through stuff in the store. When you subtract the Kinect, which makes jumping from TV or Games and into a movie quick and easy, it makes having a IR remote even more necessary. And the battery life and issues with the sticks not holding up make using a controller for media apps even less appealing.

But as I said, that is a value others have not found necessary. The PS4 has more horsepower, so games look and feel a little better. If you don't value the rest of what the console does, because you have a Roku, Apple TV, Fire TV, or some other media streaming device, then the PS4 is probably the better choice. I don't see a situation in which the XB1 becomes the destination console for multiplayer games in this generation like it it did for the 360.

[Danimal]

They don't. But GAF is extra special, so they get to make up numbers to make PS4 owners feel better about themselves.

That is what I thought, not that I think they aren't reasonably close I just didn't think anyone had exact numbers, I should of known better consider the source.

[Inuyasha]

They don't. But GAF is extra special, so they get to make up numbers to make PS4 owners feel better about themselves.

That is what I thought, not that I think they aren't reasonably close I just didn't think anyone had exact numbers, I should of known better consider the source.

Animal : Did you mean me or NeoGaf or both? I think you just posted this just to get attention since you must not have anyone to abuse nowadays. Sorry, but I won't be your punching bag. And nobody else should be either. Get Help brother.

As for the #s, I dont know if they're close or not, but I don't think someone would just post random #'s without having some insight . It wasn't just NeoGaf that posted about the hardware sales in May, there were tons of sites :

http://time.com/2889466/ps4-wins-may-xb ... echland%29

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/06/16/may-n ... onth-five/

http://www.dailytech.com/NPD+Nintendo+3 ... e36064.htm

http://247wallst.com/consumer-electroni ... box-again/

http://www.newsledge.com/playstation-4- ... igher-7180

[DivotMaker]

They don't. But GAF is extra special, so they get to make up numbers to make PS4 owners feel better about themselves.

Having owned both consoles, LOL.....

But numbers aren't real. They are based on what someone at GAF thinks they are. They aren't based on anything more tangible than an estimate of what the WII U did and an estimate of hope many consoles were sold in all categories. It's not that I don't want them to be real, they just aren't. And the reason GAFers wants the numbers so bad is that NPD reporting day is another day for those particular Sony users to gloat. Read the thread and tell me that's not what it is.

Look, I prefer the One for reasons I've stated often enough, but I'm not blind. I think there is still a chance that the XB1 is going to suffer a Wii U like collapse. People who have used it have dumped it. 360 users seem to be jumping to the PS4 in droves. What I value in the XB1 is not being valued by the masses.

I said in my post that while Microsoft accepted that May was lost, that they will have no excuse when June is lost, too. This isn't trying to pretend anything. FFS, you had a One and then switched over to a PS4. Why on earth would you care what the sales numbers are? I don't think you could have made a more educated decision.

But none of that means that the numbers people are gloating about are real. And the reason so many people have accepted made up totals is that they really like to gloat. Period.

I really don't give a rats ass what the sales numbers are, but trying to discredit NPD numbers and then claiming these numbers are just so PS4 owners can gloat, who GAF (gives a f***)....

[Danimal]

Animal : Did you mean me or NeoGaf or both? I think you just posted this just to get attention since you must not have anyone to abuse nowadays. Sorry, but I won't be your punching bag. And nobody else should be either. Get Help brother.

Actually never mind, I was taking about NeoGaf. I have no interest in dealing with you.

[Aristo]

I really don't give a rats ass what the sales numbers are, but trying to discredit NPD numbers and then claiming these numbers are just so PS4 owners can gloat, who GAF (gives a f***)....

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

As I said, read the thread. It is full of PS4 owners looking for fresh meat. There was no actual need for the numbers. I mean, no one has to have them. I'm not surprised that Microsoft turtled, because it would have just been feeding the beast at GAF.

As it is, all that was known is the total hardware sold, based on the stated % increase from last year, the number of Wii U's sold, based on the % increase they claimed, and that the PS4 was the best selling console. The rest is just pure speculation. They might be right. If anything, I think they were too kind to Microsoft. But when making up numbers, you kind of have to give Microsoft a break or no one will buy into them enough to post them everywhere else on the web.

I wasn't discrediting NPD numbers. I was just pointing out that no one actually knows what they are. The next logical question is why would anyone make up numbers. And that answer to that is GAFers love to salivate over every detail of Microsoft's defeat.

[Aristo]

As for the #s, I dont know if they're close or not, but I don't think someone would just post random #'s without having some insight . It wasn't just NeoGaf that posted about the hardware sales in May, there were tons of sites :

http://time.com/2889466/ps4-wins-may-xb ... echland%29

http://www.joystiq.com/2014/06/16/may-n ... onth-five/

http://www.dailytech.com/NPD+Nintendo+3 ... e36064.htm

http://247wallst.com/consumer-electroni ... box-again/

http://www.newsledge.com/playstation-4- ... igher-7180

Now, look at those links and show me where they posted the hardware totals. They listed Sony as the winner, which Sony confirmed to be true. But the list of numbers is what gets people salivating, as we already saw here. And those numbers were speculation. People don't want to know that sony won, they want to know how bad they beat Microsoft. THAT'S why someone at GAF took the time to post realistic sounding totals even when they are not known.

[Pete1210]

The big three are all doing just fine selling millions of consoles. This generation will be just like the last 2. Someone has to be on top. So what?

[TCrouch]

Numbers don't make a bit of difference to me at all. I thought the XBox One was a debacle at launch, because it felt unfinished and like major choices in system design were flawed.

They've since come out and released a few updates that basically addressed my exact complaints with the UI and navigation, so that helped. If they do indeed boost the performance to be on par with a PS4, it will be much tougher for me to choose which platform to buy games on--because as I've played online with things like The Show and Madden and others, PSN still isn't nearly as smooth online as XBL.

So if the games look similar due to the GPU boost (I've purchased so many games on both platforms to compare, and it's still not "slightly" better on PS4 in most cases. It's like turning antialiasing completely off on the XB1 titles), I could see playing a lot of games on the XB1. It's clearly not a massive hardware problem, as Forza 5 and Ryse look phenomenal. It's just that developers have to take the time to code it properly for that system, which I've said before--but why bother when they can code it at its base level, then turn on the AA and AF in the PS4 version and call it a day?

No matter what, I don't think MS had any option but to launch when they did, but that sort of doomed them to second place this entire generation. But if I wasn't such a solo offline gamer, I'd probably be warming up greatly to the XB1 about now. As it is, I still put in quite a bit of time in Forza on it weekly.

[Spooky]

For me - the bottom line is that I am still more interested in the XB1 Exclusives than the PS4's. That's why I have stuck with the XB1. Eventually I may end up with both, but I just don't see anything pulling me to the PS4 in the next year or so.

[Murph]

For me - the bottom line is that I am still more interested in the XB1 Exclusives than the PS4's. That's why I have stuck with the XB1. Eventually I may end up with both, but I just don't see anything pulling me to the PS4 in the next year or so.

I'm just the opposite. I had planned on owning both, just like with 360 and PS3, but PS4 is so good, I haven't had a reason to even consider a One.

With that said, I was certain I would hold off on next gen hardware, then on the last minute (on realease day), I grabbed a PS4, so who knows?

[DivotMaker]

I really don't give a rats ass what the sales numbers are, but trying to discredit NPD numbers and then claiming these numbers are just so PS4 owners can gloat, who GAF (gives a f***)....

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

As I said, read the thread. It is full of PS4 owners looking for fresh meat. There was no actual need for the numbers. I mean, no one has to have them. I'm not surprised that Microsoft turtled, because it would have just been feeding the beast at GAF.

As it is, all that was known is the total hardware sold, based on the stated % increase from last year, the number of Wii U's sold, based on the % increase they claimed, and that the PS4 was the best selling console. The rest is just pure speculation. They might be right. If anything, I think they were too kind to Microsoft. But when making up numbers, you kind of have to give Microsoft a break or no one will buy into them enough to post them everywhere else on the web.

I wasn't discrediting NPD numbers. I was just pointing out that no one actually knows what they are. The next logical question is why would anyone make up numbers. And that answer to that is GAFers love to salivate over every detail of Microsoft's defeat.

Hurt my feelings? LOL....I just think your defense of MS is noble, but this community is typically not prone to fanboy defense of a game, console, etc. I'm not calling you a fanboy. I just think that this community and thread keep a pretty even keel and those who have both consoles have reported issues with both consoles. They are all doing fine and selling a lot of consoles so I don't see any reason for anyone to panic at this point.

[Rodster]

They are all doing fine and selling a lot of consoles so I don't see any reason for anyone to panic at this point.

It's called mfg sensationalism. It's not a good story unless you get a heavy does of gloom. I think both machines suck. The last time I used either machine was to do updates.

[Brando70]

For me - the bottom line is that I am still more interested in the XB1 Exclusives than the PS4's. That's why I have stuck with the XB1. Eventually I may end up with both, but I just don't see anything pulling me to the PS4 in the next year or so.

I'm just the opposite. I had planned on owning both, just like with 360 and PS3, but PS4 is so good, I haven't had a reason to even consider a One.

With that said, I was certain I would hold off on next gen hardware, then on the last minute (on realease day), I grabbed a PS4, so who knows?

Ha, that is so my story, too. I wasn't going to buy one until my wife asked if I wanted one for Christmas. The Show was what tipped me PS4, although I am sorry to miss out on Titanfall.

As for sales numbers, they do matter to the undecided a little bit -- you don't want want to pick up a console that might get axed. But MS appears committed to the XB1, so I don't think it really matters right now which console is selling more. They will both be supported for the foreseeable future.

[wco81]

MS had big ambitions, going way beyond consoles, to approach smart phone levels of sales.

Kinect 2 was what they bet on taking them to blockbuster sales. It may turn out to be an albatross, holding sales back compared to the competition.

[XXXIV]

At some point we have to stop incrementally improving consoles and f***in do something different.

Or is just treading water so f***in awesome? we have to worship it?

[Pete1210]

At some point we have to stop incrementally improving consoles and f***in do something different.

Or is just treading water so f***in awesome? we have to worship it?

Microsoft tried to introduce new ideas like digital sharing, more media integration and XB1 w/Kinect. But the internet gaming community rejected these ideas. PS4s message of we do gaming only and better won out for now. And MS folded "faster then an oragami artist after a coffee break." (anyone remember that line?)

Maybe Steambox will be it? Something that can easily get my Steam library on my TV. And possibly more powerful hardware than XB1/PS4 at a competitive price?

[Rodster]

Maybe Steambox will be it? Something that can easily get my Steam library on my TV. And possibly more powerful hardware than XB1/PS4 at a competitive price?

I built a PC just for Steam games. The problem with the Steambox is it appears it's going to be really fragmented with multiple configuration offers from different companies and each year will see a refresh. I'm not totally convinced the Steambox will save the day.

[wco81]

The small PC makers who make Steamboxes are unlikely to deliver the same amount of power at the same price.

They don't have the large-scale purchasing power of the big console makers so they're not going to get components at the same low costs.

Then, even if they pull that off, are console games publishers going to put out games for Steam boxes?

Will EA make Madden for Steam boxes after they stopped developing for PC? Or even those console games which are eventually ported to the PC, will they put those out earlier because of Steam boxes?


Maybe if 4K TVs become popular enough, the console makers will look to put out next gen. Still, they aren't pursuing absolute power, because they don't want loud boxes in the living room, so they'll continue to use mobile chipsets.

[XXXIV]

Microsoft tried to introduce new ideas like digital sharing, more media integration and XB1 w/Kinect. But the internet gaming community rejected these ideas.

They sure did.

Maybe they were not the right ideas?

Maybe next century?

[sportdan30]

Played a game of FIFA last night (scoring in the 122nd minute over Portugal) and a couple games of NBA 2K15 this afternoon on the PS4. Just great gaming experiences all around and they look phenomenal. Looking forward to this year's version along with NHL 15 on the next gen systems. Sports gaming has really been exceptional minus a few issues with regards to these games. C'mon Madden!!!!

[XXXIV]

. C'mon Madden!!!!

Im with ya.

Last year was the first time I didnt buy madden in two decades.

CMON MADDEN!

[sportdan30]

. C'mon Madden!!!!

Im with ya.

Last year was the first time I didnt buy madden in two decades.

CMON MADDEN!

It played decently on next gen, but compared to the other sports games on next gen, it was severely lacking IMO. I really hope they bring it for 15. I believe EA acknowledged it was basically a port with few enhancements.

[Murph]

. C'mon Madden!!!!

Im with ya.

Last year was the first time I didnt buy madden in two decades.

CMON MADDEN!

It played decently on next gen, but compared to the other sports games on next gen, it was severely lacking IMO. I really hope they bring it for 15. I believe EA acknowledged it was basically a port with few enhancements.

I'm hoping some of the NCCA devs were absorbed into Madden this year.

[Aristo]

Im with ya.

Last year was the first time I didnt buy madden in two decades.

CMON MADDEN!

It played decently on next gen, but compared to the other sports games on next gen, it was severely lacking IMO. I really hope they bring it for 15. I believe EA acknowledged it was basically a port with few enhancements.

I'm hoping some of the NCCA devs were absorbed into Madden this year.

Agreed. I ended up enjoying Madden 25 more than I thought, but it is still a shell of a game compared to NCAA 14. The only reason I stopped playing NCAA and picked up Madden was to get used to what Madden is in anticipation of the new game. Those devs could do a loot to make the game a more fun experience. Unfortunately, there is no way to make free agency and the draft as interesting as recruiting.

But everything I am seeing in regards to NHL 15 is great, and it looks to be what I was hoping it would be for next gen.

FIFA 14 has been so much fun that I might grab the new one when it drops, but I'm not sure I expect it to be much more than a roster update. FIFA has taken the place of baseball since no one is bringing a quality game to the the Xbox.

Hopefully next spring EA's PGA Tour will be worth getting. The trailer was an abomination, but I feel like it is not going to be as ridiculous as that. I still wish they would bring back the TrueAim mode from TW 11, but it seems like that ship has sailed. But if the gameplay is solid, I'm anxious to see what they do with multiplayer and Country Clubs.

Also, I hope EA or someone surprises us next spring with a MLB game on the Xbox. I'm not holding my breath, and I am assuming fantasy baseball and OOTP will tide me over.

It's also about time for a Tennis game.