2008 NFL Season

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:27 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
wco81 wrote:Why did Edwards go for 2?

Seems like the Chiefs would have a good shot in OT if they win the toss. They switched to that game after the Colts-Steelers game.
Because they are the f'n Chiefs...and they were on the road. That's why.

True.

I thought it was a good call to go for two and the win. The play sucked.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:18 pm

It was a nice little gimmick for Mike Tice when the Vikings were the bottom of the barrel.

Chiefs aren't going anywhere but their QB had played well it looks like. Give him a chance to win it in OT.

Also, Rothlisberger's arm look really messed up on that Hail Mary throw.

pigpen81 · Post by **pigpen81** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:57 pm

JackDog wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote:
wco81 wrote:Why did Edwards go for 2?

Seems like the Chiefs would have a good shot in OT if they win the toss. They switched to that game after the Colts-Steelers game.
Because they are the f'n Chiefs...and they were on the road. That's why.
True.

I thought it was a good call to go for two and the win. The play sucked.

The Chargers almost got jobbed out of another win with that BS pass interference call that set up the TD in the first place.

It just isn't the Chargers year.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:57 pm

wco81 wrote:Chiefs aren't going anywhere but their QB had played well it looks like. Give him a chance to win it in OT.

Why would anyone WANT to go to OT? There is a chance you don't even see the ball. It's the dumbest rule in the game...why leave it to the coin flip? The Dolphins did the same thing earlier in the year and were successful. No one gave Sporano sh*t for that.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:07 am

Because the odds of a successful 2-point conversion are what, 50% at best?

Plus he forced the hell out of that pass to Gonzalez for the TD so going to the well again is questionable.

Anyways, I just wanted Rivers to get the ball again for the fantasy team.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:11 am

wco81 wrote:Because the odds of a successful 2-point conversion are what, 50% at best?

Last time I checked, winning a coin toss was around 50% too. Isn't it?

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:20 am

PK, what's up with your Bills?

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:29 am

greggsand wrote:PK, what's up with your Bills?

Apparently everyone jumped on their bandwagon WAY too quickly. And what the hell happened to Edwards? He went from legit at the beginning of the year to pretty horrible. He's regressed big time.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:40 am

Man, what horrible play calls by the Eagles...just terrible.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:55 am

Good thing the Champs are 8-1 'cause their remaining schedule is brutal.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:29 am

I really hope Kyle Orton gets better quickly. And that the Bears spend all their draft picks and free agent money on finding guys who can put pressure on a QB.

Impressive win by the Titans. I thought the Bears could beat them if they shut down the run, but Collins did a great job hitting his open receivers and not making mistakes.

I was definitely premature in my Bills praise. How could I forget the wonder that is Dick Jauron so quickly?

My hat is also off to the Dolphins and Falcons. Their turnarounds have been incredible.

There are also a lot of really, really bad teams this year. Parity has brought everyone closer together, but this year in particular there are some real turds at the bottom.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:21 am

Brando70 wrote: this year in particular there are some real turds at the bottom.

Why Ringo...Who could you possibly be talking about?

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:22 am

I was watching one of the pregame shows and they flashed 5 Bills who were out for the NE game or out for the season.

Forget who they all were but maybe injuries are part of the story?

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:02 pm

XXXIV wrote:
Brando70 wrote: this year in particular there are some real turds at the bottom.
Why Ringo...Who could you possibly be talking about?

Lets just say I am glad I started the Jets D on my fantasy team yesterday.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 12:05 pm

Brando70 wrote:
XXXIV wrote:
Brando70 wrote: this year in particular there are some real turds at the bottom.
Why Ringo...Who could you possibly be talking about?
Lets just say I am glad I started the Jets D on my fantasy team yesterday.

I appreciate your discretion....

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:18 pm

Brando70 wrote:I was definitely premature in my Bills praise. How could I forget the wonder that is Dick Jauron so quickly?

The fact that Bills have yet to win since Jauron signed his contract extension is pretty much comedy gold.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:41 pm

Brando70 wrote:I really hope Kyle Orton gets better quickly. And that the Bears spend all their draft picks and free agent money on finding guys who can put pressure on a QB.

While I agree with both of these statements it is amazing to me how week after week the secondary and the defensive scheme gets by without any of the blame.

You're not going to get pressure on every play, sooner or later you need to bump a receiver an cover a guy. The blue print is out on beating the Bears and I'm shocked it took this long to get there. 3 Steps drops and quick slants. The Bears can either just not flat out cover or refuse to play coverages that out their guys into position to make a play.

Think about how many time you've seen a Bears DB make a play on the ball, or how many time on 3rd and 15 the Bears give up the first down or 13 yards.

The Titans O-Line has allowed 5 sacks this year because they run a lot and throw a lot of 3 step drop patterns so getting pressure was going to be hard. No doubt the front four is horrible, several time Collins had over 5 seconds in that pocket but it's time to face facts the secondary can't cover anyone.

I won't even beat the Ron Turner horse this week I'll just say first possession of second half 3 passes, 7 run attempts and 2 of them were check downs in the 2 minute drill that got stuffed.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:02 pm

Danimal wrote:
Brando70 wrote:I really hope Kyle Orton gets better quickly. And that the Bears spend all their draft picks and free agent money on finding guys who can put pressure on a QB.
While I agree with both of these statements it is amazing to me how week after week the secondary and the defensive scheme gets by without any of the blame.

You're not going to get pressure on every play, sooner or later you need to bump a receiver an cover a guy. The blue print is out on beating the Bears and I'm shocked it took this long to get there. 3 Steps drops and quick slants. The Bears can either just not flat out cover or refuse to play coverages that out their guys into position to make a play.

Think about how many time you've seen a Bears DB make a play on the ball, or how many time on 3rd and 15 the Bears give up the first down or 13 yards.

The Titans O-Line has allowed 5 sacks this year because they run a lot and throw a lot of 3 step drop patterns so getting pressure was going to be hard. No doubt the front four is horrible, several time Collins had over 5 seconds in that pocket but it's time to face facts the secondary can't cover anyone.

I won't even beat the Ron Turner horse this week I'll just say first possession of second half 3 passes, 7 run attempts and 2 of them were check downs in the 2 minute drill that got stuffed.

The secondary is definitely at fault, but every corner in the league will struggle when a QB has that much time. It's not just the Titans, who do have a great o-line -- the Bears struggle to get pressure every week. That's why they get killed on 3rd and longs.

Vasher has certainly gone downhill, but the pass rush is the biggest culprit in my opinion. The Bears have to play off the receivers because they can't rely on pressure, which opens those short routes.

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:11 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
Brando70 wrote:I was definitely premature in my Bills praise. How could I forget the wonder that is Dick Jauron so quickly?
The fact that Bills have yet to win since Jauron signed his contract extension is pretty much comedy gold.

How he scored the Bills gig is even more a mystery after his ineptitude as the Bears coach. It's no different than Dave Pornstache screwing up the Dolphins.

It amusing watching former Bears HC screwing up other NFL teams.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:35 pm

Brando70 wrote: The secondary is definitely at fault, but every corner in the league will struggle when a QB has that much time. It's not just the Titans, who do have a great o-line -- the Bears struggle to get pressure every week. That's why they get killed on 3rd and longs.

Vasher has certainly gone downhill, but the pass rush is the biggest culprit in my opinion. The Bears have to play off the receivers because they can't rely on pressure, which opens those short routes.

Sorry but we'll disagree, yes the Bear front four sucks and gets no pressure but that is not the reason they play off the ball, that is by design.

The Bears get beat on 3rd and long because:

1. The way too often show blitz with a nickel back or LB and then he has to drop back to get in position with a slot receiver that is a recipe for disaster with this secondary.

2. Never and I mean never do they bump the receiver at the line and on the rare occasion they do they get beat. Bo back and look at Vasher giving up the TD yesterday.

3. No zone awareness and in my mind this is the number one killer. Remember Atlanta, happened again yesterday. Guys have poor recognition on their responsibilities, Tillman had no clue where his receiver was in zone yesterday.

All of that still doesn't solve the slant, you can't play that soft all the time and defend the slant.

You can play successful cover 2 when you're getting no pressure and your secondary is woeful, they need to make a change in how they play but they won't.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:15 am

Great weekend of football.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:53 pm

Just watched last nights highlights on NFL network.

I was reminded of why, at the end, I couldnt stand the sight of his arrogance..Martz.

I was surprised the genius didnt run a tight end reverse on the last play.

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:57 pm

XXXIV wrote:Great weekend of football.

Except for the second year in a row a Pittsburgh loss has prevented me from collecting on the Ontario Lottery and Gaming Pro Picks!

That could have been tens of thousands in my pocket.

Last year a last second field goal, this year blowing what should have been a pretty safe lead and then blowing up on the last drive.

Best wishes,

Doug

fletcher21 · Post by **fletcher21** » Tue Nov 11, 2008 9:19 pm

Anyone see Jared Allen with his 3rd cheap shot in the last 2 games? He was fined 50k last week. I wonder if the league will fine him for his helmet to helmet hit on Aaron Rodgers. Allen is a drunken redneck, but Minnesota fans love him

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 12:49 am

Must be a good Feely for Favre and the Jets.