NFL Season 2011-2012

[MizzouRah]

The Raiders getting Carson Palmer for two first round picks is a pretty damn nice pickup for them. Steep price, but it had to be done.

He's not even worth a 7th round pick.

[vinny-b]

The Raiders getting Carson Palmer for two first round picks is a pretty damn nice pickup for them. Steep price, but it had to be done.

He's not even worth a 7th round pick : )

highest would pay is a high 2nd round selection. SHOCKED to learn they are sending two #1's. That said, he can be more helpful then the next two 200 meter dash champions they had planned on drafting.



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[Rodster]

Wow I did not realize Rick Spielman was running the Radiers F.O.?

[MizzouRah]

highest would pay is a high 2nd round selection. SHOCKED to learn they are sending two #1's. That said, he can be more helpful then the next two 200 meter dash champions they had planned on drafting.



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You have a point there!

[TCrouch]

You guys yuck it up now

Crazy stupid price to pay, but their running game is brutalizing. Campbell was playing better, but they didn't have to really fear his mid-to-long range accuracy. There are already at least a dozen throws this season I can recall that were either 2 or 3 yards too far, or 2 yards out of bounds on a 9 route. If Carson Palmer can accurately hit some of those balls in the second half of the season, you guys are going to be retracting some of this gibberish. 7th round pick? REALLY? Did you see the team he played for?

Give him Darren McFadden and Michael Bush to pound a defense, and a team that's not asking him to carry the offense every snap. I bet he'll be very effective near the end of the year. Whether that's too late or not is the big question. But the team suits his style perfectly. The Oakland QB doesn't have to do much--just don't make huge mistakes and burn defenses on the play action.

But for a QB who's just asked to manage the game and not put up huge passing numbers, 2 #1's is insane. He's a good fit, but not at that price.

What's the most comical thing in the world is this:

They spend their first round pick in 2012 on Carson Palmer.
They spent their 3rd round pick in 2012 on Terrelle Pryor
They spent their 4th round pick in 2012 on the Jason Campbell trade.

That's 3 out of 7 possible picks in the same draft that were on 3 different quarterbacks.

[Lancer]

The raiders have to take a chance and it's a good move.

They've proved this year they will beat the bad and average teams in the league, but can't get wins vs the upper echelon teams.

I think Palmer will shine as it's his get out of jail card. But how long will he need to learn the Raiders offense and playbook? Playoffs, not sure, but look at the teams they have yet to play : 2 vs the Chiefs, Vikes, Dolphins, Broncos, and 2 @ home vs Chi and Det which are beatable teams.

How many wins gets a wildcard spot in the AFC this year? 10? 11?

[dbdynsty25]

Ronnie Brown already traded from the Eagles to the Browns for a 7th and little used RB Jerome Harrison. Way to sack up and have a bounceback year Ronnie.

[dbdynsty25]

Guess its the lions and not the browns. Twitter jumps the gun sometimes.

[wco81]

I think they'd at least have to get into the playoffs this year, which seems likely as it's the Chargers and Raiders in the division.

For WC, they'd be competing with Pittsburgh or Baltimore, Jets, maybe Tennessee or Houston.

But the picks they gave up should have yielded 2 starters for many seasons so Palmer would have to lead them to contend against the best teams over the next few years.

[TCrouch]

Strange thing is, the Raiders have a worse record with 1st round picks than they do the later rounds. There's no guarantee they'd even get starters out of those two picks outside of forcing a guy onto the field until he starts to produce (See: Darrius Heyward-Bey, the last 3 weeks).

Oakland actually put itself into position to do this by drafting solid players all over the field the past few drafts in the subsequent rounds. I still don't agree with their mentality that 1st round picks are there to just be thrown about like candy on Halloween, but it's not like they have a track record of making a brilliant call in the 1st round.

And Palmer would most CERTAINLY have to take them to the playoffs--I read that the 2nd 1st rounder was if he won a playoff game this year. Otherwise it's a 2nd. And if he took them to the playoffs and won a game, then most Raider fans wouldn't complain, considering the stretch that team has had the past 9 seasons.

[Brando70]

Last year Palmer was the 18th-rated QB, just behind Jason Campbell. In 2009, he was the 15th-rated QB just behind...Jason Campbell.

So the question becomes, would you trade two potential starters for a QB who has been an average performer for the last couple of seasons? A lot of people criticized the Bears for doing just that with Cutler, who has performed about as well as Palmer the last two seasons.

QB rating doesn't tell the whole story and Palmer is a better QB than Campbell, but that is a hell of a lot to give up for an aging, disgruntled QB who has played in two playoff games throughout his career.

I could see this if the Raiders were a team where most of the pieces were in place and they needed a veteran under center to manage the game. But with their defense they have a tough road ahead, and I just don't see this as a strong move for the future of the team.

[TCrouch]

Palmer's best days were in Cincinnati when Hue Jackson was the receivers coach and QB assistant...and at USC when Hue Jackson was his offensive coordinator. I think you can chalk a lot of the recent performances up to just being miserable with where you're at and the injury, but a move to the opposite coast and an extra 9 months to rest up should correct both of those.

I certainly don't expect the guy to go out and win the MVP. But he certainly has the potential to elevate the Raiders offense. And what makes it stranger is that Hue Jackson began inquiring about this trade last week. So with one hand, he's proclaiming that Campbell is playing great ball. And with the other, he's probing the possibility of trading for Palmer to try to upgrade.

I don't know what the ramifications of that may be, but I'm happy for them to at least do SOMETHING with Campbell going down. The last thing I wanted to see was Boller out there for 6 weeks, leading Oakland from 4-2 to 5-7 or 6-6 or something.

And with the mention of the defense...don't forget that it was Al's baby. It's not coincidental that he passed away, and they instantly stop the run and blitz. That defense has been completely different the last 2 weeks. Houston ran for 75 on them, and Cleveland only managed 60something. And it's not like Cleveland passed all day--they couldn't generate squat. McCoy was getting harrassed and obliterated almost every snap, so by the second half he was spraying the ball all over the place while running for his life (Schaub put up 400 yards in the Houston game, but 120+ of that was in the last 2 drives when the awesome prevent defense let him pick up 15 and 20 yards a clip).

I think a lot more pieces are in place than people realize. It's not like Oakland gets a lot of national publicity other than being a punchline, so it's understandable. But I'm betting a lot of those perceptions change by season's end.

Either that, or they're set back another couple of years after they just climbed out of the JaMarcus Russell hole

[wco81]

Well because they've done better with mid round rather than first round picks doesn't mean the trend will continue. The odds are in favor of higher picks brining better players.

Russell was a high pick bust and McFadden took a couple of years before he started becoming a force. DHB may be reaching that point too -- not to mention, some of those mid round picks like Ford and Moore may not have been drafted if DHB panned out sooner.

Cincy might have gotten more than any other team would have paid. Then again, look at what the Cards paid for Kolb.

Trying to remember what Ditka gave up for Ricky Williams and what the Vikings gave up for Herschel Walker. Raiders aren't paying as high a price but will Palmer play so well that he'd cover up for two potential starters they could have used elsewhere? Certainly possible since this is a QB-dominated league.

[Rodster]

Good gawd do the Dolphins suck. Granted they should have been losing with all the Denver TD drops and missed FG's. How the Dolphins can be up by 15-0 late in the 4th only to have the game tied 15-15 is beyond belief. Oh I know the Dolphins "Suck for Luck".

[dbdynsty25]

Always finding a new way to lose. Impressive today.

[Lancer]

Add to that you guys got beat by Teebow.

I saw most of this game, and Teebow couldn't get anything close to a completion for 3.5 qtrs. It was surprising to see, because with all the hype you'd expect the guy to be maybe half way decent.

[dbdynsty25]

Add to that you guys got beat by Teebow.

I saw most of this game, and Teebow couldn't get anything close to a completion for 3.5 qtrs. It was surprising to see, because with all the hype you'd expect the guy to be maybe half way decent.

He's terrible. The Dolphins are just worse. He had 3 completions and had 5 sacks with 4 min left in the game and was down 15. Yeah. Awesome. The Phins find a way to lose each week and each time it's more excruciating than the last.

[MizzouRah]

What's worse, being a Rams fan or being a Dolphins fan?

[dbdynsty25]

What's worse, being a Rams fan or being a Dolphins fan?

Dolphins by far. Rams have a ring in the last four decades.

[XXXIV]

What's worse, being a Rams fan or being a Dolphins fan?

Dolphins by far. Rams have a ring in the last four decades.

[Lancer]

do you think the dolphins are tanking the games or purpose? When Marshall runs out of bounds last week when he had nobody near him and the endzone and the collapse tonight it makes you wonder.

[Rodster]

do you think the dolphins are tanking the games or purpose? When Marshall runs out of bounds last week when he had nobody near him and the endzone and the collapse tonight it makes you wonder.

No !

They just suck, players have no confidence in the coaches and the coaches have no confidence in the players. The entire team from BM to Henne and the defense suck. If the NFL found out that they or any other team did that on purpose they'd probably be heavily fined and lose all their draft picks.

[greggsand]

do you think the dolphins are tanking the games or purpose? When Marshall runs out of bounds last week when he had nobody near him and the endzone and the collapse tonight it makes you wonder.

So is there a secret team meeting where they say go out & lose so we could get a good draft pick? Silly.

Bad teams lose. Most of those players could give a crap about 'next year'. For the players, it's all about the next contract - not draft picks.

[dbdynsty25]

Yeah. No way in hell any team tanks on purpose. Especially in football where half he roster may not even be back next year. They need to perform this year to get their money next year. That's all they care about.

The Dolphins are just a very very bad team. Probably the worst team I've ever watched play. They literally have no strengths. They suck in every phase of the game.

[Rodster]

Here you go Lancer

"I’m embarrassed. Right now, this team stinks,” Reggie Bush said after his team squandered a 15-0 lead with less than three minutes left and managed to lose 18-15 to Denver