NBA Playoffs, 2005

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue May 31, 2005 12:18 pm

He can't be getting in foul trouble too often. Or else he wouldn't get the minutes to put up all those numbers. I suspect that he's also way up there in FT attempts.

That Tony Parker play could have gone either way. Only thing Parker could have done was taken the charge or maybe try to get the ball while Amare was still dribbling it or gathering up.

Amare definitely had his right forearm out while handling the ball with the left hand.

The thing about flops is that defenders have their feet parallel so of course they're going to fall backwards on contact. That and if they tried to stand ground, then the impact of the contact is harder.

There's no question Amare has the weight and strength to make guards and smaller forwards fly. On that offensive rebound, he rode Ginobli out of bounds and took out Horry's legs when Horry came over after the loose ball. A lesser big man would not have been able to make that play but he also wouldn't have gotten away with that kind of contact.

It's not unprecedented for young budding superstars in the NBA to get superstar treatment. That was the case for Shaq and Mourning in their rookie years. Amare is going to be on Sportscenter highlights for at least the next 10 years. He wouldn't be as much if he had to play less aggressive because he had to worry about foul trouble.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Tue May 31, 2005 12:23 pm

Flopping can also be considered gamesmanship if it's done right in some venues, i.e. Europe.

As for last night's game, the Spurs didnt show up. That's not discounting the Suns effort, but Duncan lost that game last night by not showing up to play, 15pts for a superstar in an close out game. If he makes at least half his FTs they probably pull that game out.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue May 31, 2005 12:24 pm

wco81 wrote:On that offensive rebound, he rode Ginobli out of bounds and took out Horry's legs when Horry came over after the loose ball.

Well we know that he didn't ride Ginobili out of bounds because Manu fell on the back of Amare's legs. How does that happen without Manu being the one initiating the contact. Amare has played a lot of minutes with multiple fouls. D'Antoni trusts him not to pick up another one...which coincidentally leads to more o'lay defense because he can't be so agressive when he's gotten himself in foul trouble.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue May 31, 2005 12:48 pm

Haha...in todays East Valley Tribune (obviously a phoenix paper):

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FOILING THE FLOPPER

Quentin Richardson said the Suns came armed for Game 4 with a new strategy regarding notorious flopper Manu Ginobili.

"We see that Ginobili is gonna fall every time he goes in or gets touched or anything. So if we’re gonna hit him, we’re gonna hit him," Richardson said. "We ain’t gonna let him flop and get a foul for something that we didn’t do. That’s what’s been happening the whole series. We don’t touch him and he just throws his hair and they call a foul."

Amaré Stoudemire also sounded sick of Ginobili’s antics, adding, "I guess he’s looking for an acting career or something."

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Couldn't have said it better.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Tue May 31, 2005 4:07 pm

Yea that's some good reading there. Maybe they should worry less about about Manu and more about rebounding and defense. The things that will prevent them from ever winning a championship.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue May 31, 2005 4:13 pm

Well yeah...that's true too.

People have been saying that Duncan blew that game for the Spurs...I see it a little different. How many offensive rebounds did he have, or at least contribute to by knocking the ball up in the air? The offensive rebounding kept the Spurs in it...the Suns did a great job getting the initial stop, but they cleaned the glass horribly and that kept the Spurs in it. If the Suns got half of the rebounds they would have won going away, even if Duncan hits the free throws. He was huge on the glass, which in fact kept them in the game. Parker was a bigger flop (pun intended) by making 5 of 17 shots. Eesh.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:44 pm

Hard to advance in the playoffs when you can't win a single game on your home court. Great game by Amare but not enough for the "W".

On the finals.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:55 pm

On the finals? Are you drunk?

Congrats to the Spurs. I am a big fan of the way they played tonight. They played hard nosed ball, not the bullsh*t flopping all over the court (although Parker looked like a rag doll multiple times when he tries to body Amare, lol). Suns just didn't play well tonight (outside of Amare, good god he's going to lead the league in scoring next year, mark it down).

It was a good season...they just ran into a better team. Now if they just resign JJ, they'll have as good a shot as any next year round this time.

Congrats Brent and the rest of the Spurs fans...it was a damn good series, even though my team got whipped. Only game three wasn't really competitive...the Spurs just had the poise of champions. Hopefully the Suns can learn from the experience this year, and make a run at it next year.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:18 am

They'll need to learn how to play defense next year to have a chance.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:36 am

Tough matchup for the Suns. I think they would have had a good chance against the Heat just based on the way they ran them at Phoenix this year.

Not sure what they did against the Pistons but Pistons have their hands full trying to contain Miami's perimeter players.

Spurs just conceded the shot attempts to Amare, stayed at home to deny players like Marion, Richardson and Jackson from getting in the game.

They could probably use a different kind of scorer off the bench, one who creates shots for himself and others off the dribble than being another mostly catch and shoot 3-pointer like Jackson.

More defense is not going to be that easy. Nash is going to be a defensive liability and Richardson doesn't seem particularly interested in defense. Stoudemire obviously has the ability but he's such an offensive force that the Suns probably don't want to expose him to foul trouble too much.

They're more entertaining to watch as a run and gun team. Trying to change their makeup too much doesn't make sense.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:42 am

wco81 wrote:They're more entertaining to watch as a run and gun team. Trying to change their makeup too much doesn't make sense.

That's what I figure...just add a vet or two to the bench and hope the team gets to the playoffs next year fairly healthy. Then use the experience this year to learn from and maybe even use it as a little motivation if they end up facing the Spurs again.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:55 pm

Well, it's really a shame that one of the Suns key players(JJ) had to miss 2 games.

I think the Suns could have at least push it to 7 games if JJ would have been 100% since game 1. Remember, all 5 games were fairly close 'till the end. Spurs just hit the big shots and made the key plays.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:02 pm

363 replies, but yet I still get the message that no posts exist for this topic

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:07 pm

Leebo33 wrote:363 replies, but yet I still get the message that no posts exist for this topic

Yeah, something is wrong with the page numbering. If you click on the previous page, it works. Like right now, it says there are 19 pages, when in reality there are only 18. As soon as we hit the 19th page, it will work fine until we get to the last few posts on the page, in which case it createst the 20th page prematurely, thus giving us the "no posts exist for this topic." There is obviously a bug somewhere.

Post by **Jared** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:45 pm

Post by **Jared** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:50 pm

I think it's been fixed. The counter for the thread didn't sync up with the actual number of posts in the thread. I think this might have to do with when Sf_Z's account magically disappeared....if he posted in this thread under the original nick, the counter probably had the number of posts including those that disappeared when his nick disappeared.

Anyways, the post should work now.

Oh, and Ginobli's got game yo.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:30 pm

Jared wrote:Oh, and Ginobli's got game yo.

Honkey

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:42 pm

Leebo33 wrote:
Jared wrote:Oh, and Ginobli's got game yo.
Honkey

This thread is now 110% more Ginobli friendly.

Jesus cries everytime Steve Nash tries to play defense.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:04 pm

Great...the worst possible finals matchup. At least I don't have to waste three hours of my evening on boring basketball. On to next year.

ddtrane · Post by **ddtrane** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:10 pm

I had been watching this series and could'nt enjoy it until tonight. I call SA in 6. How hard is that? Who knows, but I hope it an enjoyable series unlike MIA-DET.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:19 pm

Larry Brown's act is getting tired now. If he does move on to Cavs, it's just typical of his career.

Good riddance if he leaves.

Wade will have more chances but don't know about Shaq and Alonzo.

Yeah there's not as much marquee appeal in this matchup.

So maybe we'll have some good basketball without any of the politics.

But of course, Rasheed will be playing and talking to the press.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:21 pm

Det defense wins this game again. If the heat could have gotten up 8 those 3 times they had chances with 4 min left, they probably win. That offensive rebound Rasheed made won the game for them.

For the finals I see det in 6 games. Their Defense is too good for them to lose. The big problem with the spurs I see is that Parker/Duncan/Ginobli have to show up every game. If they have off-nights in any of the games, they're gonna lose.

WillHunting · Post by **WillHunting** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:12 am

I thought SA is #1 in the league in defense, Detroit plays great defense but SA can play great defense and run and gun if necessary (see Pheonix). I don't see Detroit winning this series, but it should still be a very tight series. I will go with everyone's prediction, SA in 6.

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:55 am

Very happy. The two best basketball "teams" made it as usual. The series will be very defensive but that doesn't faze me although casual basketball fans won't enjoy it. I've never much cared for casual basketball fans anyway.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:02 am

reeche wrote:Very happy. The two best basketball "teams" made it as usual. The series will be very defensive but that doesn't faze me although casual basketball fans won't enjoy it. I've never much cared for casual basketball fans anyway.

So those of use who'd prefer a faster paced, offensive games are just "casual fans" now?