Tiger Woods 13 PGA TOUR and CE Info

[DChaps]

Woops. Masters over 11.

That is what I assumed you were saying, but just wanted to verify. Thanks for the clarification!

[Aristo]

I'm definitely in the minority. But TrueAim is the only way I want to play a golf game anymore. The Caddy in The Masters ruins the entire experience for me. TrueAim was as big of an improvement as PGA 2000's mouse system for hitting the ball.

If you want a casual line up and smack the ball game, The Masters is your best bet. But you want to think through each shot with no help telling you where your ball will land with a perfect shot, TW 11 is the easy choice.

If you want to play with friends online, then the newer the better. And TrueAim was never enabled for online play, so there is no reason to consider it for this.

But as I said, I'm in the minority. I can tell you that TW 11 had pretty robust community that set up several seasons of league play where we used the honor system to submit scores. All of us could not have been more excited for TW 12 to come out. Until it did. There was absolutely no community interaction for The Masters. The game died on the vine. It sold more, but no one actually kept playing it.

The problem is, TW 11 sold like crap. If you didn't use TrueAim, the game felt like a copy and paste job from TW 10. And TrueAim is hard, and it is not intuitive. It's doesn't seem to translate when anyone explains it. So for many, it was the best feature to hit video game golf since PGA 2000. For most, they didn't even know it existed.

[DChaps]

...... If you didn't use TrueAim, the game felt like a copy and paste job from TW 10. And TrueAim is hard, and it is not intuitive. It's doesn't seem to translate when anyone explains it. So for many, it was the best feature to hit video game golf since PGA 2000. For most, they didn't even know it existed.

Interesting. I guess I paid no attention to this TrueAim you speak of, although saying it is not intuituve, but then comparing it to TrueSwing and PGA2000 seems a little contradictory, as the beauty of TrueSwing was that it was a challenge, but extremely intuitive. Is it possible for someone to describe the current swing process using the 360 contoller in the demo vs. the TrueAim in TW 11?

[Aristo]

When I say it is not intuitive, I mean it is not obvious right away how great it really is. At first it just feels like a dumb way to play.

When you zoom, and then move your target round, it doesn't stay moved. What you then have to do when you zoom in is look for landmarks. You see the spot in the fairway you want to get to, and then the tree that points that way. Then, from the tee box, you are aiming at that tree without a little arrow telling you you are dead on.

When zoomed in, you will have a cursor that tells you the elevation and distance, but it doesn't tell you anything about about how far the club you have will go. You just look at it, and figure out if it is going up or downhill, and estimate how much it will roll after landing.

And then you start looking at the wind, and if the carry distance might be more les based on elevation.

But once you figure out what the purpose of the mode is, it's simple and very engaging. It just feels like you are lost at first.

[Danimal]

This is a rather odd question for this thread but I figure there is a chance that Divot or John C may know something.

I'm looking to find stock graphics to piece together a golf hole on an 8.5 x 11 piece of paper that looks like a yardage book page. To give you an idea of the type of graphics I am looking for you could look at this guys site. http://www.yardagebookartist.com/ Scroll down a little. Now that's obviously all done by him but I am just looking for generic graphics to get a look close to that that I can use to lay out a golf hole in photoshop.

Thanks in advance if you can help.

[DivotMaker]

Still no TrueAim mode. Maybe there is an option in the full game, but it sure appears to be lost forever. It sucks that last year's game was a such a step backwards, yet sold like mad because The Masters made it seem so ultra realistic.

Worse, the putting mechanic sucks and game feels very unpolished. TW demos in the past have no been so awful. Hell, I was excited for last year's game until it was made clear that TrueAim was actually not going to be a part of the full release.

I will probably rent the game, but I suspect I am going to stick with TW 11. At least it saves me some money.

IMO, the 2 "steps backward" with regards to TW12 were the lack of being able to completely disable the caddy and the change in TrueAim from TW11. Otherwise, TW12 was a better game and one course did not make it that much better. If EA would take TW13 TA, remove the ability to aim while zooming and just show a camera view of the potential landing area instead of the aiming icon, then TA would be back better than ever.

As far as the putting mechanic goes, there are some very good discussions going on about the new swing mechanic and putting at the EA Tiger forums. I suggest you take a look at the following thread:

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/8252749.page

Many users are taking this advice and finding much better results.

Also keep in mind that the demo was completed in mid-January due to the need to have certification completed in time for release. This means that 6 additional weeks were spent tuning and polishing the release version and the Devs have stated that many of the issues that users are seeing in the demo are fixed in the release version. I played the release version last week and the putting was fine to me. Your mileage may vary. I will also state that I am likely to be a Kinect-only player as this gives me the most immersion into the game of any interface I have used including the Wiimote. I will be getting a club to use (shortened so I do not wipe out any furniture or fixtures) and it will be "game on" for me personally....

[DivotMaker]

This is a rather odd question for this thread but I figure there is a chance that Divot or John C may know something.

I'm looking to find stock graphics to piece together a golf hole on an 8.5 x 11 piece of paper that looks like a yardage book page. To give you an idea of the type of graphics I am looking for you could look at this guys site. http://www.yardagebookartist.com/ Scroll down a little. Now that's obviously all done by him but I am just looking for generic graphics to get a look close to that that I can use to lay out a golf hole in photoshop.

Thanks in advance if you can help.

Sorry Dan, I am not sure where you would find such graphics for what you describe.

[JRod]

Still no TrueAim mode. Maybe there is an option in the full game, but it sure appears to be lost forever. It sucks that last year's game was a such a step backwards, yet sold like mad because The Masters made it seem so ultra realistic.

Worse, the putting mechanic sucks and game feels very unpolished. TW demos in the past have no been so awful. Hell, I was excited for last year's game until it was made clear that TrueAim was actually not going to be a part of the full release.

I will probably rent the game, but I suspect I am going to stick with TW 11. At least it saves me some money.

IMO, the 2 "steps backward" with regards to TW12 were the lack of being able to completely disable the caddy and the change in TrueAim from TW11. Otherwise, TW12 was a better game and one course did not make it that much better. If EA would take TW13 TA, remove the ability to aim while zooming and just show a camera view of the potential landing area instead of the aiming icon, then TA would be back better than ever.

As far as the putting mechanic goes, there are some very good discussions going on about the new swing mechanic and putting at the EA Tiger forums. I suggest you take a look at the following thread:

http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/8252749.page

Many users are taking this advice and finding much better results.

Also keep in mind that the demo was completed in mid-January due to the need to have certification completed in time for release. This means that 6 additional weeks were spent tuning and polishing the release version and the Devs have stated that many of the issues that users are seeing in the demo are fixed in the release version. I played the release version last week and the putting was fine to me. Your mileage may vary. I will also state that I am likely to be a Kinect-only player as this gives me the most immersion into the game of any interface I have used including the Wiimote. I will be getting a club to use (shortened so I do not wipe out any furniture or fixtures) and it will be "game on" for me personally....

Always the salesman.

[DivotMaker]

Always looking for an argument and attack of some sort. Thanks for attempting to derail this thread......

[ScoopBrady]

Come on guys, stick to the topic at hand. JRod, don't go down that road.

[JRod]

Always looking for an argument and attack of some sort. Thanks for attempting to derail this thread......

You just spun Arito's comments and he had valid complaints with the game. It's always putting on positive spin when someone says something negative about that game. And now you keep telling us to go the EA boards. If you aren't going to talk about their all you are doing is promotional work for EA.

Be a part of the Tiger community here or don't but don't go a shill the EA boards, too.

And the thing is Aristo and JC had some valid complaints on putting and I'm not going to read the EA boards because I don't want to wade through pages and pages of nonsense. How about be helpful in responding to Aristo.

[Teal]

God, I love the block button...

[DivotMaker]

Always looking for an argument and attack of some sort. Thanks for attempting to derail this thread......

You just spun Arito's comments and he had valid complaints with the game. It's always putting on positive spin when someone says something negative about that game. And now you keep telling us to go the EA boards. If you aren't going to talk about their all you are doing is promotional work for EA.

Be a part of the Tiger community here or don't but don't go a shill the EA boards, too.

And the thing is Aristo and JC had some valid complaints on putting and I'm not going to read the EA boards because I don't want to wade through pages and pages of nonsense. How about be helpful in responding to Aristo.

I don't have to answer to you or anyone here. I participate because I love one game and play pretty much one game. I gave my responses and I am not going to regurgitate other discussions in other forums just because you think I should. If someone is TRULY interested in the game, they will go to the EA forums and read more about it. There are MANY threads there that discuss the features being discussed here that are NOT pages and pages of nonsense. My posts were not intended for you. In fact, I purposely try to ignore everything you post because of the attitude you have towards EA and me in particular.

Call me a shill if you like. You do it all the time and yet others here have told you that you are full of it, but you don't seem to get it. I like Tiger. I praise the game when I feel it has some good features and I am also just as quick to criticize it when it fails. However, you seem to miss those critical comments purposely. If you don't have anything good to say, then stay the hell out of the Tiger threads and put me on ignore. You are wasting everyone's time when you act like this and I know for a fact I am not the only one here who feels this way.

[DivotMaker]

God, I love the block button...

Good advice Teal. Life is too short to deal with people like that who's only goal is to troll and spread their "glass half empty" mentality.

[TheTruth]

So…anyway…

I played some more of the demo last night after reading some of the advice on the ea boards (thanks Divot). Played on Tournament(all meters off) and really enjoyed it. Got the feel of the putting, drained a few 20-30 footers. Chipping has an excellent feel- really like the chipping. Driving seems way too easy to hit a straight shot. And that is what I am concerned about. Once I got the feel of everything I was birding pretty consistently and it felt overall too easy to score low- for the hardest difficulty in the game. More so the putting and driving than anything else.

Maybe it was because I was playing the same holes over and over, but the thread on the ea boards about understanding the swing meter, tempo etc helped me. You really have to club up and down now, or at least I did on the demo holes using my irons - really helped me start hitting the greens.

[pk500]

I might get the feel for putting in this game by about 2018 ...

[Diablo25]

I might get the feel for putting in this game by about 2018 ...

Putting with Kinect is decent but it is just stupid...again...with the controller. It is wayyyyyy too sensitive and easy to over hit a putt. Hopefully it has been addressed in the final version.

[Jared]

Always the salesman.

I agree with Scoop (and everyone else) - keep these kinds of posts out of these forums.

[pk500]

I might get the feel for putting in this game by about 2018 ...

Putting with Kinect is decent but it is just stupid...again...with the controller. It is wayyyyyy too sensitive and easy to over hit a putt. Hopefully it has been addressed in the final version.

I'm placing the target a good 5 feet shorter than normal to compensate for the ridiculously fast putt meter.

No way I'm buying this game on release day due to the putting. Will wait to read impressions, hoping the meter is fixed for the retail version. If not, no sale. The putting stroke mechanism is terrible in the demo. Damages a perfectly good game.

[10spro]

I might get the feel for putting in this game by about 2018 ...

I am getting that feel on tournament and with meters off. Not that I mind the meter off ( I prefer it that way) as I do a bit better with the Kinect but with the controller I just don't have the feel at all and I am spraying the ball over the hole.

[10spro]

So…anyway…

I played some more of the demo last night after reading some of the advice on the ea boards (thanks Divot). Played on Tournament(all meters off) and really enjoyed it. Got the feel of the putting, drained a few 20-30 footers.

Impressive.

[Jimmydeicide]

I might get the feel for putting in this game by about 2018 ...

Putting with Kinect is decent but it is just stupid...again...with the controller. It is wayyyyyy too sensitive and easy to over hit a putt. Hopefully it has been addressed in the final version.

I'm placing the target a good 5 feet shorter than normal to compensate for the ridiculously fast putt meter.

No way I'm buying this game on release day due to the putting. Will wait to read impressions, hoping the meter is fixed for the retail version. If not, no sale. The putting stroke mechanism is terrible in the demo. Damages a perfectly good game.

After i set it on Tournament mode (hardest level) the game just started clicking. It turns off all the meters and its all feel including the putting. I have a much better experience by feel, managed to go 3 under at Augusta that way and it was very rewarding and knowing it could all go wrong with a one bad shot makes it as real as the real game mentally in that regard .
When it does go wrong tho it seems sometimes i dont no why, feeling i hit a good shot tempo and distance wise only to come up way short. This only happens on half and partial shots so its just a matter of getting more time with it hopefully.
Must say im really digging it right now so give that a try PK.

[Jimmydeicide]

Just read the EA thread and ooofa, greens are going to get faster in full game it seems ? Crikey that will be fun(sarc).

After reading posts here and on EA forum it seems to me as is true in the real game people are just over thinking it all. Who cares about tempo or the perfect strike, hit the ball, get it as close to the flag as you can and get your putter out. Golf is a simple game when you break it down its just when your mind gets in the way it messes with you.
Im not knocking anyone its just funny to me when i see a 18 handicapper throwing clubs and stuff.

This was kinda random i know but it does kinda lead into the game world here, i think thats why i like all the meters off... pick a target step up and hit it.

[JRod]

God, I love the block button...

Good advice Teal. Life is too short to deal with people like that who's only goal is to troll and spread their "glass half empty" mentality.

There are people looking for ways to fix (help) the putting that aren't just limited and yet you don't say anything only directing them to the EA boards.

Talk about the game and improving it for others here that are messing around with the demo. Hell copy and post the the tips in the EA boards. I don't see how that's too much too ask...

[Jared]

Come on JRod - if Divot wants to express his idea via a link to a post, regardless of where it's from, I'm fine with that. It's not like he's spamming the boards with some obscure little nook of the internet...it's the EA forums. And if he wants to write them out in the post, copy and paste them, post them in a link, give putting tips via haiku or limerick; that's up to him. All are acceptable - and others in the post were thankful for the link.

I am fine with you disagreeing with Divot on points he's making; but criticism for his form of information sharing is somewhat trollish, and adds nothing to the discussion.