The IPhone is totally awesome oh my gawd thread

kevinpars · Post by **kevinpars** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:11 am

Have people loaded the new Iphone 1.1.3 firmware yet? I upgraded the ITunes software, but was waiting to upgrade my wife's phone until I got some reports from the field. I heard there was some messaging issues, but my wife doesn't do any texting, so that is a non issue. And she doesn't have any third party stuff, but there is always a risk with new firmware and while I am always an early adopter with stuff, this is her phone.

Also, anyone have a recommendation for a speaker dock? My wife likes the 2nd generation Bose, because they have a battery and the dock is pretty small and it will charge the phone while it is docked. I feel like Bose is more hype than substance, but this is not a purchase for me. I am open to suggestions.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:41 am

I use the Logitech MM50 all the time. Not sure if it supports the iPhone though, but they have a newer model.

The MM50 has lithium ion batteries so you can take it all over, which I do, from room to room, sometimes in the car.

It also has a international power adaptor and it's a fairly compact brick, compared to the original Bose.

But then again, I'm not listening to a lot of music on this, mostly podcasts and Howard Stern.

I don't think the MM50 will handle the iPhone but they have newer models as well, both with and without built-in batteries.

There is a B&W dock which is $600. They make great speakers but this one is AC only.

However, I think inherently, you don't want the left and right channels to be so close together and especially the battery-powered docks don't have enough power to generate good sound.

You have to choose between portability (the form factor as well as battery or AC-only) and sound quality.

I think there are docks which will interface with your stereo system, which is likely to have better speakers.

Sport73 · Post by **Sport73** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:34 pm

kevinpars wrote:Have people loaded the new Iphone 1.1.3 firmware yet? I upgraded the ITunes software, but was waiting to upgrade my wife's phone until I got some reports from the field. I heard there was some messaging issues, but my wife doesn't do any texting, so that is a non issue. And she doesn't have any third party stuff, but there is always a risk with new firmware and while I am always an early adopter with stuff, this is her phone.

Running 1.1.3 since the moment of release without ANY issues. Love it. The location map feature and customization of home screen are the only things that 'matter'.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:42 pm

Sport73 wrote:
kevinpars wrote:Have people loaded the new Iphone 1.1.3 firmware yet? I upgraded the ITunes software, but was waiting to upgrade my wife's phone until I got some reports from the field. I heard there was some messaging issues, but my wife doesn't do any texting, so that is a non issue. And she doesn't have any third party stuff, but there is always a risk with new firmware and while I am always an early adopter with stuff, this is her phone.
Running 1.1.3 since the moment of release without ANY issues. Love it. .

Ditto.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:42 pm

New 32gb iPod touch and 16gb iPhone have been announced.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 4:46 pm

Lot of moola for those.

The Touch is the future of the iPod product line but a lot more people can afford the $150-200 Nanos.

Plus, the smaller form factor of the Nanos is much more useful.

You're more likely to carry around a smaller device than a big one like the full-size iPods or the Touch models.

But if you shrink a Touch or iPhone, you lose a lot of what makes them appealing, like the large screen and the interface.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:51 pm

Big update coming 3/6/08 Can you say SDK?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/27/appl ... march-6th/

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:26 am

iPhone may be a great product but will it continue to command a premium?

You can get Blackberries for dirt cheap and even if it's not as good (but for people who use email all day, it's as good or better than the iPhone), you can use them with any carrier.

By contrast, Apple is pursuing a high-margin strategy which limits distribution and perhaps ultimately, market share.

Some analysts are now even starting to question whether Apple can reach their 10 million unit goal by the end of this year, in a slowing economy, barring new models, especially lower-priced models. And perhaps more distribution channels, especially in other regions.

There are signs carriers in countries like China, where there is widespread importing of unlocked iPhones, are resisting the subscription revenue-sharing deals Apple is demanding.

We might be seeing a replay of Mac vs. PC again, with the lower-priced, good-enough product trumping the high-priced "premium" product.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:00 am

wco81 wrote:iPhone may be a great product but will it continue to command a premium?

You can get Blackberries for dirt cheap and even if it's not as good (but for people who use email all day, it's as good or better than the iPhone), you can use them with any carrier.

By contrast, Apple is pursuing a high-margin strategy which limits distribution and perhaps ultimately, market share.

Some analysts are now even starting to question whether Apple can reach their 10 million unit goal by the end of this year, in a slowing economy, barring new models, especially lower-priced models. And perhaps more distribution channels, especially in other regions.

There are signs carriers in countries like China, where there is widespread importing of unlocked iPhones, are resisting the subscription revenue-sharing deals Apple is demanding.

We might be seeing a replay of Mac vs. PC again, with the lower-priced, good-enough product trumping the high-priced "premium" product.

The iPhone will be just fine. If it doesn't "command a premium", it will still make buckets of cash.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:15 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080228/tc_ ... YwBdUjtBAF

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:36 pm

Are they making a G3 version soon?

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:41 pm

10spro wrote:Are they making a G3 version soon?

Rumor is there will be one later this year. I don't see how though. Right now ATT is far behind Sprint and Verizon for high speed phone access outside of your major metro areas.

I don't live if in a far off place but 3G isn't offered here. Verizon does have its high speed network.

It could be this delay is really to have ATT invest heavily in 3G towers around the nation.

Plus I've heard nothing that they have drastically improved the battery life in 3G phones. Apple isn't going to offer an iPhone with 2 hours of battery life if you surf on 3G.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:31 pm

JRod wrote:
10spro wrote:Are they making a G3 version soon?
Rumor is there will be one later this year. I don't see how though. Right now ATT is far behind Sprint and Verizon for high speed phone access outside of your major metro areas.

I don't live if in a far off place but 3G isn't offered here. Verizon does have its high speed network.

It could be this delay is really to have ATT invest heavily in 3G towers around the nation.

Plus I've heard nothing that they have drastically improved the battery life in 3G phones. Apple isn't going to offer an iPhone with 2 hours of battery life if you surf on 3G.

I still haven't seen any current G3 phones that have any real battery life. A number of people I know were hoping the Blackjack II would be better, but it's still a joke. I personally don't care enough about G3 to sacrifice any battery life at this point. The iPhone is still cool as hell to me....

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:07 pm

greggsand wrote:I still haven't seen any current G3 phones that have any real battery life. A number of people I know were hoping the Blackjack II would be better, but it's still a joke. I personally don't care enough about G3 to sacrifice any battery life at this point. The iPhone is still cool as hell to me....

Blackberry on Verizon is about as good as it gets right now with 3G data. And if you think any Windows phone will get good battery life, you're fooling yourself. They are the worst of the worst.

Sport73 · Post by **Sport73** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:26 pm

Granted I'm the local Apple cult leader, but all this talk about 3g, price and Blackberries really misses the mark for me.

The iPhone is a transformative device. I love my Macs, OSX, and iPods, but they're all 'incremental' vs. the competition. Live with an iPhone for a month and I defy you to say that it doesn't define it's own space, it's own value. There are other phones with equal or better 'features', but the union of features, usability, elegance, design, and breadth of strengths makes the iPhone a device unlike any other.

It is the only piece of technology which provides equal or more LUST almost a year after purchase as it did on day 1; I simply can't imagine living without it.

That said, the 3g decision was right for the time, both in terms of battery life and coverage. That will change by this summer and a 3G iPhone will be great. 3rd party apps are great, but only if you can trust their reliability, security, and know where t discover them - solved following the launch of the SDK.

The iPhone's few short-comings will be remedied soon,

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:02 am

I must say I love my itouch so far and I take it wherever I go. One reason I haven't invested in an iphone here (everyone sells it unlocked already in Canada) is that I already have a cell phone that does well...make the all important call and other features which I find more useful with the itouch. Once the 3G technology comes to the iphone I'll be taking the plunge.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:30 am

Well the word "transformative" is going to be tossed around a bit this year.

Or last year at launch, it was called "game changer."

I think AT&T has seen at best an incremental uptick in subscribers and even less for the Euro subscribers.

Price alone restricts its market share potential. Add in the required subscription contracts and you further narrow the number of people willing to buy and sign up.

However, it is true that iPhone has dramatically increased the usage of mobile data in every country. So that could be a change in behavior, people getting used to and looking to use the Internet everywhere.

Maybe if they come out with the 2g (second generation) model, they will drop the price of the current model to $200, to widen the potential market.

There's been suggestions that Apple come out with an iPhone "Mini" or "Nano" to hit those lower price points.

But it seems that what makes the iPhone unique requires that large touchscreen.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:03 am

Sport73 wrote:Granted I'm the local Apple cult leader, but all this talk about 3g, price and Blackberries really misses the mark for me.

The iPhone is a transformative device. I love my Macs, OSX, and iPods, but they're all 'incremental' vs. the competition. Live with an iPhone for a month and I defy you to say that it doesn't define it's own space, it's own value. There are other phones with equal or better 'features', but the union of features, usability, elegance, design, and breadth of strengths makes the iPhone a device unlike any other.

It is the only piece of technology which provides equal or more LUST almost a year after purchase as it did on day 1; I simply can't imagine living without it.

I'm right with you Sport. I have owned numerous devices in my life (PCs, consoles, cell phones, PDAs, etc.) and the iPhone is the most impressive piece of equipment I have ever owned.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:30 am

Sport73 wrote:The iPhone's few short-comings will be remedied soon,

The one MAJOR, MAJOR problem with the device...will not be rectified...the lack of a real keyboard. I've got an Ipod Touch that I get my email on occasionally...and it is SOOOO painful to type on the thing compared to my blackberry. If they somehow found it in them to release an Iphone with a slide out QWERTY, then I'd be all over it. But virtual keyboards just don't do it for me. Otherwise, it's a phenomenal device...you're right. But in my opinion, the two things that matter most to me...push email and a physical keyboard...cannot be beat outside of the Blackberry devices. It certainly doesn't help that it's on the slower network either...but as you said, that'll change eventually. They may want to add a removable battery as well (maybe they have, I haven't seen the design specs on the 2nd gen iphone yet).

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:38 am

Don't count on a removable battery.

Or a slide-out keyboard for that matter.

They like thin at all costs.

Plus they're investing more on multi-touch UI.

First the iPhone, then the MacBook Air. Now they just released MacBook and MacBook Pros with multi-touch gestures support.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 2:42 am

wco81 wrote:First the iPhone, then the MacBook Air. Now they just released MacBook and MacBook Pros with multi-touch gestures support.

I know...and sh*tty battery life. I don't get it.

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:14 am

dbdynsty25 wrote:
Sport73 wrote:The iPhone's few short-comings will be remedied soon,
The one MAJOR, MAJOR problem with the device...will not be rectified...the lack of a real keyboard. I've got an Ipod Touch that I get my email on occasionally...and it is SOOOO painful to type on the thing compared to my blackberry. If they somehow found it in them to release an Iphone with a slide out QWERTY, then I'd be all over it. But virtual keyboards just don't do it for me. Otherwise, it's a phenomenal device...you're right. But in my opinion, the two things that matter most to me...push email and a physical keyboard...cannot be beat outside of the Blackberry devices. It certainly doesn't help that it's on the slower network either...but as you said, that'll change eventually. They may want to add a removable battery as well (maybe they have, I haven't seen the design specs on the 2nd gen iphone yet).

I don't miss the keyboard. Keep wishing brother....

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 10:24 am

I am really looking forward to this update. I'm very anxious to see what kind of 3rd party software will arrive. When I had my Treo I enjoyed the ability to add software to the device...legally

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:44 am

Software will probably be for sale.

And Apple may be a gatekeeper, like console makers are with games, either approving or rejecting certain classes of software.

Like for instance, probably no P2P or VOIP applications, to placate their content and telecom partners.

macsomjrr · Post by **macsomjrr** » Sun Mar 02, 2008 6:04 pm

Great lil' iPhone optimized web app for those who want to check and see who is on XBL.

http://www.apple.com/webapps/games/xbox ... ation.html