dbdynsty25 wrote:You're right Jrod...MAC OS is completely original and has NEVER stolen anything from Windows. Exactly.
Logical fallacy alert!
Windows Vista and Windows 7 is basically regurgitating the Max OSX features. I mean this isn't like Windows took some ideas and improved them...they took all of apples ideas! Even you DB must admit that Windows 7 is very very similar to Mac OSX.
I use both OS's extensively...in fact I'm on my Mac right now. Both share "features" and I'm sure it's gone both ways. No big deal. I'm not sure why it matters when another company steals another's ideas. This is a video game board and developers make it a habit to steal and enhance ideas. That's the business they are in. Does it really matter to you guys that windows took good ideas from Mac and integrated their own version of said idea? I like it actually.
dbdynsty25 wrote:I use both OS's extensively...in fact I'm on my Mac right now. Both share "features" and I'm sure it's gone both ways. No big deal. I'm not sure why it matters when another company steals another's ideas. This is a video game board and developers make it a habit to steal and enhance ideas. That's the business they are in. Does it really matter to you guys that windows took good ideas from Mac and integrated their own version of said idea? I like it actually.
Not at all. It's just been incredibly one-sided with Microsoft gaining the most by bringing items that have long been available on OS X to the 95% of computers users who operate Windows. With the high quality products Apple has been putting out that number should be much higher. But people like to stick to what they're used too (that is why I stuck with Apple through the late 90's and didn't switch to Windows).
JRod wrote:How many Mac ideas did Windows steal this time around? They aren't even coming up with their own ideas anymore.
Pin = Mac application bar (whatever it's called)
Jumplists = Mac OS stacks
Preview = Preview
Okay they added 64 bit.
Basically you are getting Mac OSX for Windows.
Who gives a s***? Show me any software developer that doesn't "steal" or emulate feature from another program....
The point is that Mac users have had to deal with Windows users constantly berating and bashing what WE know to be a superior OS Now that now Windows is frantically copying and trying emulate OS X its sort of like the icing on the cake. I'd never expect the diehard Windows guys to admit that but its true.
On a more serious note: Both are fine OS's and if you are productive and get your work done more quickly on one OS versus another then really isn't that all that matters?
macsomjrr wrote:
The point is that Mac users have had to deal with Windows users constantly berating and bashing what WE know to be a superior OS Now that now Windows is frantically copying and trying emulate OS X its sort of like the icing on the cake. I'd never expect the diehard Windows guys to admit that but its true.
And vice versa....show me any software developer (game, productivity, OS, etc...) that does not try to put a great feature from a competing product into their own product. This has been going on for years and I don't see it stopping anytime soon. I get sick of the stupid ass Mac commercials on TV that are beyond ridiculous based upon my own experience.
macsomjrr wrote:On a more serious note: Both are fine OS's and if you are productive and get your work done more quickly on one OS versus another then really isn't that all that matters?
Exactly my point. Why bash Windows 7 when it appears MS is finally delivering an OS they should have released with Vista? I had no issues with Vista, but I do know many who did. Win7 is awesome and I am not comparing it to Mac OSX. I could give a s*** less about Macs as I do not own one and don't plan to as the PC gives me exactly what I need. Glad some of you like the Macs better, but there is no need for the drama about MS copying OSX as emulation is the sincerest form of flattery...
DivotMaker wrote:there is no need for the drama about MS copying OSX as emulation is the sincerest form of flattery...
I agree. I'm a Mac convert, but I'm glad MS if finally releasing a decent OS that won't require excruciating boot times, numerous crashes, bugs, and a good user interface because I still have to use Windows at work. Plus, any improvement in security is welcome because I still have relatives that need PC support.
DivotMaker wrote:
And vice versa....show me any software developer (game, productivity, OS, etc...) that does not try to put a great feature from a competing product into their own product. This has been going on for years and I don't see it stopping anytime soon. I get sick of the stupid ass Mac commercials on TV that are beyond ridiculous based upon my own experience.
Insert hardware design here as well. Which brings up a lawsuit Nokia has just started against Apple for stealing their technology and putting it into their Iphones.
DivotMaker wrote:there is no need for the drama about MS copying OSX as emulation is the sincerest form of flattery...
I agree. I'm a Mac convert, but I'm glad MS if finally releasing a decent OS that won't require excruciating boot times, numerous crashes, bugs, and a good user interface because I still have to use Windows at work. Plus, any improvement in security is welcome because I still have relatives that need PC support.
Agreed.
We should be allowed to have an irritating free computer experience. Im happy MS is stealing from Mac. I dont have to spend the extra cash on one.
I do wish Sony would copy XLive now that Im actually using my PS3 to play games.
I would love someone to make a good copy of the iphone as I have t-mobile(work pays my phone).
BTW. Is there one thats really good?
I am happy Sony and MS are stealing Nintendos motion sensor idea.
The more the merrier...Brings down price. Copy copy copy what works works works.
DivotMaker wrote:
And vice versa....s
Insert hardware design here as well. Which brings up a lawsuit Nokia has just started against Apple for stealing their technology and putting it into their Iphones.
So the bottom line is Job's mob are not like the pure driven snow their disciples think they are.
The Nokia lawsuit may be a preemptive attempt to reach a deal with Apple. There is speculation that Nokia wants to make touchscreen phones using many of the patents Apple took out for the iPhone. So they may end up with cross-licensing of each other's patents in the end.
Apple is sued often, as are many large companies. Often, there are "patent trolls" which exist only to try to extort money from successful companies. They've been able to find a friendly jurisdiction in some Texas district court. Nokia had to pay some small company over half a billion dollars. There have been other such cases. Problem is, the US Patent Office isn't sophisticated about software. There is such obvious prior art in many of these cases.
Sorry for stirring up the Apple tablet/iSlate rumors/hype but I have been very intrigued by the possibility of this thing. Engadet has been following the rumors of this thing and it has gotten my interest. What are you guys hearing about it? Looks like Apple will be announcing it at a conference end of January.
But if it's as expensive as rumored, not sure how well it will sell. There seems to be some hype around electronic readers but this thing is expected to do more.
Other companies are going to try to market comparable products. "Smartbooks" are expected to get a big push as CES.
Not sure that displaying eBooks alone is enough of a killer app. to make people buy this thing, which won't be able to do all the things that a MacBook can do, yet cost almost as much as a MacBook. (As a product of a computer company, this device will likely be a companion device to a computer, rather than a replacement for it).
Maybe the other rumors about Apple trying to put together a $30 TV subscription plan figures into this. Say you could play iTunes videos downloaded to this and also hook this up to your HDTV at home or view on the road, as well as surfing, some kind of communications (if not a built-in cell phone, then using one of several VOIP apps. for iPhone), as well as running any iPhone app. or game.
IOW, a kind of digital swiss army knife, the ultimate convergence device.
wco81 wrote:Sure sounds like the rumors are onto something.
But if it's as expensive as rumored, not sure how well it will sell. There seems to be some hype around electronic readers but this thing is expected to do more.
Other companies are going to try to market comparable products. "Smartbooks" are expected to get a big push as CES.
Not sure that displaying eBooks alone is enough of a killer app. to make people buy this thing, which won't be able to do all the things that a MacBook can do, yet cost almost as much as a MacBook. (As a product of a computer company, this device will likely be a companion device to a computer, rather than a replacement for it).
Maybe the other rumors about Apple trying to put together a $30 TV subscription plan figures into this. Say you could play iTunes videos downloaded to this and also hook this up to your HDTV at home or view on the road, as well as surfing, some kind of communications (if not a built-in cell phone, then using one of several VOIP apps. for iPhone), as well as running any iPhone app. or game.
IOW, a kind of digital swiss army knife, the ultimate convergence device.
Yeah, its almost a done deal that it will be announced on the 26th of January. As far as the price, I have heard as low as $700 and as high as $1500. Price will definitely be the deciding factor for me...if it, in fact, is real!
Expect a few surprises in the announcement, both in terms of CONTENT, PRICING, INTERFACE and PARTNERSHIPS. Only the most ardent Apple-hater will not want one.
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Sport73 wrote:I'll be first in line, but that's a given.
Expect a few surprises in the announcement, both in terms of CONTENT, PRICING, INTERFACE and PARTNERSHIPS. Only the most ardent Apple-hater will not want one.
You are killing me Sport I've been getting that vibe myself. Apple will definitely have some surprises with this announcement. If it is reasonably priced and does what I think its going to do I will be getting one.
This could do moderately well but nothing iPhone-like, because it wouldn't be pocketable and once you have a smart phone, a bigger screen device wouldn't add that much.
Could be more like the Cube or AppleTV.
Especially if they force you to buy another data contract.
I sure hope it is more than an Iphone on steroids. How the heck would you pick that thing up and hold it comfortably in your lap?
As for reading, there are 2 issues. One is how do you create something backlit that does not cause eye strain.
As for bringing newspapers and magazines to a tablet, the onus is on the publishers to creatively improve on the design rather than just port the print version to the tablet.
I am a big e-reader - I have the first generation kindle. What i am looking for are improvement to the basics - more font sizes and font types, a faster interface (the dictionary feature on K1 is slow) and better resolution. I also feel like publishers could do more than just translate books to electronic versions but could get creative. But I doubt that will happen. The publishing industry is reacting to the future the same way that the music industry did - and will probably have the same result.
Read a piece awhile back about how there will be dedicated readers who will stick with a eReader device, because of things like E-Ink.
But a far greater number will be satisfied with a "good enough" reading experience on a multifunction device, because there aren't as many readers of longer texts as there used to be -- and of those, many will just stick to books they can borrow from friends or the library, which isn't easily done on dedicated eReaders.
The publishers seem to be hopeful more than anything. Newspapers are dying and sure they're going to hope a new platform will reset the market, get people willing to pay for content, which they've refused to do on the web. Same thing to a lesser extent for magazines.
Book publishers are going to alienate people with the DRM and their pricing. They don't have printing costs yet they will charge as much as a physical book? That's just going to invite piracy.
The Apple device isn't going to be successful if it's positioned mainly as a eReader device. Yeah it won't be easy to hold or enter any amount of text on the thing. It will be easier to hold and view content in some situations than the clamshell design of laptops. Certainly lighter and smaller.
They're going to have to find uses which make it almost as indispensable as a phone which is so easy to carry around.
Looks like this "tablet" is going to be running the iPhone 4.0 OS with the ability to reformat/resize apps to fit the 10"-11" screen. To be announced Jan. 27th and released in March. This is all unofficial of course.
Now that now Windows is frantically copying and trying emulate OS X its sort of like the icing on the cake. I'd never expect the diehard Windows guys to admit that but its true.
