OT: NFL 2006 Season Discussion

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:52 pm

OMFG! Da Bears are Fo Real! Even if they blow this impressive.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:53 pm

Inuyasha wrote:OMFG! Da Bears are Fo Real!

Bye bye sealosers!

The dude is right this was mythical.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:04 am

FUCCKK ME! LOLOL, WHAT A GAME!

THESE GUYS ARE BACK for another week:

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:04 am

Brian Urlacher and 10 blind dwarfs vs. the '72 Dolphins??

BEAARRRRRSSSSSS!!

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:04 am

Maybe it's a team of destiny thing.

But if Grossman plays like tonight against a playoff-caliber team, not the Cardinals, it's a disaster.

Defense and special teams aren't going to score 3 TDs for you every game.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:05 am

wco81 wrote:
Defense and special teams aren't going to score 3 TDs for you every game.

Nah, but judging from last year they're probably good for 1-2

HipE · Post by **HipE** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:10 am

What a crazy game! I can't believe the Bears managed to get their final 14 points without Grossman ever stepping on the field. The way that game was going, was there any chance Rackers was going to make that fg?

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:14 am

After this game, nobody should complain about catchup AI in madden. It does happen in the nfl

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:18 am

Theisman is right though, Grossman has a gunslinger mentality.

He had it last year after he came back from injury and he made some big plays down the stretch, raising expectations of some.

But the Panthers prevented those big plays and he seemingly didn't have anything else in his arsenal.

This year, he's hit a lot of big plays and went for them tonight when they weren't really there. On the one series which ended with the interception on 4th down (and the reversed TD return play), he wasted the first 3 downs, when there was still enough time in the game, trying to score in one play.

Against the better defenses, he's going to have to lead 10-15 play drives several times in a game. Can he do it?

Leinart has almost the opposite mentality, which is to take what the defense gives you and check down as needed. He's got some players who are really good running after the catch, especially Boldin, who's probably one of the best WRs in the league at RAC.

But you would think teams would start to notice that he favors throwing up the middle, looking for the in-cuts and slants to Boldin, which fits with some questions about his arm strength.

Brady and some others have increased their arm strength after coming into the league. But maybe the best thing Leinart could do is to get away from the Cardinals.

TheHiddenTrack · Post by **TheHiddenTrack** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:20 am

XXXIV wrote:The Bears are special...They are the opposite of the seahags...

Amazing!!!

Anyone thinks the seawhiners are winning the NFC is crazy.

Win or lose....The class is the class....

The Seahawks with Shaun Alexander would beat the Bears at Quest field. The Bears would still beat the Seahawks if they are in Chicago even with Alexander (they need to account for Harris better), but there clearly is no superior team. They just got their ass kicked by the Cardinals and a rookie quarterback (and even though they won, it's now very obvious they aren't as good as I and alot of others thought).

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:21 am

The last time Da Bears were 6-0, M. Ditka was the coach and W. Payton was doing his dances. Impressive come back.

Go Seahawks! S. Alexander is gone for another 2 weeks.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:26 am

wco81 wrote:Theisman is right though, Grossman has a gunslinger mentality.

He had it last year after he came back from injury and he made some big plays down the stretch, raising expectations of some.

But the Panthers prevented those big plays and he seemingly didn't have anything else in his arsenal.

This year, he's hit a lot of big plays and went for them tonight when they weren't really there. On the one series which ended with the interception on 4th down (and the reversed TD return play), he wasted the first 3 downs, when there was still enough time in the game, trying to score in one play.

Against the better defenses, he's going to have to lead 10-15 play drives several times in a game. Can he do it?

Leinart has almost the opposite mentality, which is to take what the defense gives you and check down as needed. He's got some players who are really good running after the catch, especially Boldin, who's probably one of the best WRs in the league at RAC.

But you would think teams would start to notice that he favors throwing up the middle, looking for the in-cuts and slants to Boldin, which fits with some questions about his arm strength.

Brady and some others have increased their arm strength after coming into the league. But maybe the best thing Leinart could do is to get away from the Cardinals.

Arm strength? You're kidding right. He's alread thrown comebacks and deep outs the last two weeks. If you really watched the game tonight, he threw the ball where coverage dictated. Did you even notice what the Bears were doing defensively.

The whole arm strength thing makes about as much sense as the people who said Drew Brees didn't have the arm strength. Yet both players seem to find ways to make every throw in an NFL playbook.

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:27 am

10spro wrote:The last time Da Bears were 6-0, M. Ditka was the coach and W. Payton was doing his dances. Impressive come back.

Go Seahawks! S. Alexander is gone for another 2 weeks.

The Falcons have never been 6-0

I am glad I never turned the game off tonight. I also hesitate to call it a comeback instead of a choke job.. but either way the ends is the same.

This was also the first time I ever pulled for Matt Leinart and he lost.. if I want the cards to do well, maybe I should start pulling against him. But he played damn good. He might lack arm strength, but thats the only thing his game lacks.

Bolden is the best possession receiver in the league. Did he drop a ball tonight? I have been impressed with him since he played QB for FSU in the sugar bowl.

As someone who pulls for teams that don't win much, this might be the kind of loss that sends a team to a 3-13 season when they are better than that.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:32 am

Unbelievable.

I know the Bears's offense laid a big turd on the field, but it seems like a lot of championship teams have games like this, games they have no business winning but somehow come back to win. What their defense did in the second half was utterly amazing. In some weird way, this convinced me more that they're for real than some huge blowout. Half their team didn't show up, and they were still good enough to win.

Grossman turned in one of the worst performances I've seen by a QB, which says a lot if you watch the Bears. But he has a bye week to shake it off and won't have the burden of knowing he lost the game. He still doesn't have a lot of actual game experience. I think he bounces back against the Niners.

If I was a Cardinal fan, I would take my fan paraphernalia outside, douse it with gasoline, and light it on fire. I feel bad for them.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:43 am

I didn't see a deep out by Leinart but I started watching after it was already 14-0.

From that point on, every pass to Boldin that I can recall was to the inside, between the numbers on the field. Boldin accounted for most of Leinart's passing yards.

Brees definitely has proven he can throw any kind of pass. I've only seen Leinart in his second NFL start, only for a bit over 3 quarters. I'm not saying he can't throw those passes, just that I didn't see it and there were questions about his arm strength.

Leinart's decision-making is very good and his pocket presence is like Rothlisberger's. In contrast, a young QB like Walters with a big arm doesn't make the best decisions. So arm strength isn't everything.

Blublub · Post by **Blublub** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:46 am

Brando70 wrote:If I was a Cardinal fan, I would take my fan paraphernalia outside, douse it with gasoline, and light it on fire. I feel bad for them.

You know, I'm now confident that being a Cardinal fan is going to show up on one of those "10 top ulcer-producing pastimes" shows on Fox. They've ripped my heart out countless times since moving to Arizona, albeit not this painfully. Then you consider that they've now officially sucked for decades. Still, this is what being a Cardinal fan is all about - pain and suffering. If anyone is out burning their fan stuff then they don't deserve to be in our little circle of pain anyway.

The only thing that keeps you going is knowing that someday, maybe in your lifetime (but very likely not), they're going to win big. Damn that will be sweet.

You gotta hand it to the Cards D, though, that was one hell of a performance only to be let down by a couple of stupid plays on the other side of the ball and a special teams lapse.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:49 am

wco81 wrote:I didn't see a deep out by Leinart but I started watching after it was already 14-0.

From that point on, every pass to Boldin that I can recall was to the inside, between the numbers on the field. Boldin accounted for most of Leinart's passing yards.

Brees definitely has proven he can throw any kind of pass. I've only seen Leinart in his second NFL start, only for a bit over 3 quarters. I'm not saying he can't throw those passes, just that I didn't see it and there were questions about his arm strength.

Leinart's decision-making is very good and his pocket presence is like Rothlisberger's. In contrast, a young QB like Walters with a big arm doesn't make the best decisions. So arm strength isn't everything.

Again did you really watch the game, and see what the Bears were doing defensively. There's a reaseon the routes were going where they were, coverage dictates where he throws. Not to mention when you the defense is playing so much Cover 1, Cover 0, and man/free coverage, and your WR like Boldin has a physical mismatch against the Corner, you go inside a lot, as he can use his physicallity to his advantage and get leverage inside on his routes. Throwing outs and comebacks negates that advantage.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:04 am

If they're playing Cover 1 or Cover 0 -- one or no safeties back -- why wouldn't they take some shots outside? Bears didn't play press from what I recall but then again, Boldin isn't known as a burner. Don't know about Johnson or Walters' speed.

You are right though, Boldin has made some big plays on short or medium crosses so it plays more to his strengths, rather than trying to throw it deep to him.

But it could also be playing to the kind of passes Leinart is best at, no?

It's only his second game so he'll have plenty of chances to prove the doubters wrong. Cards need to get him a better line and for Fitzgerald to come back.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:08 am

wco81 wrote:If they're playing Cover 1 or Cover 0 -- one or no safeties back -- why wouldn't they take some shots outside? Bears didn't play press from what I recall but then again, Boldin isn't known as a burner. Don't know about Johnson or Walters' speed.

You are right though, Boldin has made some big plays on short or medium crosses so it plays more to his strengths, rather than trying to throw it deep to him.

But it could also be playing to the kind of passes Leinart is best at, no?

It's only his second game so he'll have plenty of chances to prove the doubters wrong. Cards need to get him a better line and for Fitzgerald to come back.

Because when they were in Cover 0 the Bears brought more players than they could block, and simply couldn't get the ball off. Although Leinart did take a shot agianst it early, and overthrew Boldin. Best way to beat the Blitz with what the Cards were doing protection wise, was to get rid of the ball quickly and let the WR's do some damage. Against Cover 1, why do you think they hit that little skinny post up the hash so many times. You run 2 inside threats at the safety and go where the opposite direction. They hit Boldin on that at least twice.

With what the Bears were doing coverage and rush wise, and considering who the Cards were playing with at WR, I don't know why you'd expect them to throw a bunch of deep outs and comebacks.
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bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:10 am

wco81 wrote: But it could also be playing to the kind of passes Leinart is best at, no?

It's only his second game so he'll have plenty of chances to prove the doubters wrong. .

Seriously, where do you get this stuff?

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:14 am

Here is what I took out of tonights game

1. A win is a win, who cares how it occurs

2. Maybe people will remember Grossman has a total of 12 starts and is still a young QB. This won't be his only game like that.

3. Kornheiser still had some of Matt Leinart's jizz on his face from sucking him off multiple times during the game. (he is also apparently not a bears fan since he was so upset about them winning)

4. Denny Green has obviously been spending a lot of time at the Matt Leinart school for post game loss interviews (see his press conference)

5. Urlacher has an on switch i didn't know he possesed, he literally took the team on his back in the last 9 minutes.

6-0 going into the Bye week I'll take it.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:16 am

Danimal wrote:Here is what I took out of tonights game

1. A win is a win, who cares how it occurs

2. Maybe people will remember Grossman has a total of 12 starts and is still a young QB. This won't be his only game like that.

3. Kornheiser still had some of Matt Leinart's jizz on his face from sucking him off multiple times during the game. (he is also apparently not a bears fan since he was so upset about them winning)

4. Denny Green has obviously been spending a lot of time at the Matt Leinart school for post game loss interviews (see his press conference)

5. Urlacher has an on switch i didn't know he possesed, he literally took the team on his back in the last 9 minutes.

6-0 going into the Bye week I'll take it.

I love it when people compliment a player on the opposing team, it's considered sucking his dick.

Leinart was making his 2nd start ever against what is supposedly the best team in the history of the world, and he made a pretty good showing for himself.

After this game, I am convinced of two things.

1. The Cardinals will always be the Cardinals.
2. The Bears are a team of destiny.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:19 am

Out of thin air ...

Seriously, you think I'm the only one who's heard that there were questions about his arm strength?

I'm not saying it's necessarily true. Or even if it's true, that doesn't mean he can't be a good NFL QB.

They haven't been able to kick Pennington out of NY after the shoulder operation with questions about his arm strength.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:24 am

wco81 wrote:Out of thin air ...

Seriously, you think I'm the only one who's heard that there were questions about his arm strength?

I'm not saying it's necessarily true. Or even if it's true, that doesn't mean he can't be a good NFL QB.

They haven't been able to kick Pennington out of NY after the shoulder operation with questions about his arm strength.

I haven't heard too many people, who know about that position,and have actually watched him play, question his arm strength. Guy made every throw in college, and that's with the elongated hashes.

It doesn't take a much to see, if you've watched the guy any amount of time, and have a clue as to what you are looking at, you can see he can make every throw. Hell the TD bomb heave he tossed up against KC last week, wasn't exactly a throw a rag armed QB could make.

Does he have a Favre or Vick like arm strength or velocity? No, but arm strength is in no way a problem.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:24 am

Urlacher made an interesting comment after the game, that it was easy to make the plays he did when he's not being blocked.

On the strip, it was a big formation and James was being held up by two Bears while Urlacher just ran around the tackle and came from the side to strip the ball.

Who is coaching that line?