'Style' points...I wonder if they apply to USC?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 9:06 pm

Over the last 25 yrs I always thought of the Big Ten as most overrated....but this year they look strong with OSU and Michigan...

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:15 pm

bkrich83 wrote:
tealboy03 wrote: I'm not a blind fanboy, like some of you seem to believe...
I am sure you probably believe that.

Actually, I know that. What you think you know about me is irrelevant.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:18 pm

Zlax45 wrote:
..Your comparing Auburn playing at Home against Washington State to USC going into Pullman...Big difference.

Oh.........okay.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:18 pm

This stuff about the SEC being overrated is laughable. Really laughable. Not to mention just a little bit ignorant...

Zlax45 · Post by **Zlax45** » Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:50 pm

tealboy03 wrote:
Zlax45 wrote:
..Your comparing Auburn playing at Home against Washington State to USC going into Pullman...Big difference.

Oh.........okay.

It is different playing on the road in any sport then playing at home. If you actually have played sports you would know this. The hostile crowd, the sleeping in different beds, the travel problems you could run into, etc...

When I was working with UNH Basketball we got stuck in Chicago IL for an extra day because of travel problems. So the next morning we get up and the flight was cancelled again so we jumped on a bus and went to Gary IN and then flew to St. Louis, Bradenton FL, and then Portsmouth NH. Yea, a long day of flying!!

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:26 am

tealboy03 wrote:
Zlax45 wrote:
..Your comparing Auburn playing at Home against Washington State to USC going into Pullman...Big difference.

Oh.........okay.

You don't think there's a difference?

Not to mention first game of the season.

But if you want to compare scores, as I said, you better hope Auburn beats Arkansas by more than 50-14.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:27 am

tealboy03 wrote:This stuff about the SEC being overrated is laughable. Really laughable. Not to mention just a little bit ignorant...

You never answered. You really think UGA would be ranked in the Top 10 if they weren't in the SEC?

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:28 am

tealboy03 wrote:
bkrich83 wrote:
tealboy03 wrote: I'm not a blind fanboy, like some of you seem to believe...
I am sure you probably believe that.

Actually, I know that.

Auburn fans are all the same.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:28 am

bkrich83 wrote:
tealboy03 wrote:
bkrich83 wrote: I am sure you probably believe that.

Actually, I know that.
Auburn fans are all the same.

This coming from a USC fan...

You guys have NOT heard me. I'm NOT comparing scores, I'm NOT trashing other teams. I AM talking about the disparity of the views of the talking heads and how THEY perceive Auburn, USC, Ohio State, Michigan and how the 'extra' stuff doesn't apply to anyone but Auburn to them. Corso and Herbstreit are complete idiots, show a bias that is impossible to hide against the SEC, and I'm tired of hearing how Auburn has to show so much more than the other guys, like they got a short bus invitation to the dance or something, that they didn't earn the right to be there, that they'd better perform in a manner that not only is victorious, but also flashy and impressive.

The best news is that, at least for now, what they think hasn't made an impact in the polls, but they sure want it to. They don't even hide it.

Get over what you think about me or what you THINK I'm saying, because I'm NOT saying that. Ohio State, Michigan, USC, are great teams. I'm not talking about their merits to be where they are. This all about the sports media, not the teams themselves. I thought I made that clear...apparently I haven't...

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:31 am

bkrich83 wrote:
tealboy03 wrote:This stuff about the SEC being overrated is laughable. Really laughable. Not to mention just a little bit ignorant...
You never answered. You really think UGA would be ranked in the Top 10 if they weren't in the SEC?

As to this question: Yes I do. In fact, I bet they'd rank HIGHER outside the SEC; if they were in the ACC they'd be consistently in the top 10.

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:32 am

Teal...please realize I am yanking your chain as personally your a great guy...but as an SDSU grad(I know...they suck)...I am tired of hearing BCS folk cry about the BCS.

Ditto on this one. I'm a Memphis fan, even with my team sucking this year they had no shot at the title as of August. If Auburn is sick of the BCS, why don't they vote to get rid of it?? Oh yea, you guys like the check you get in June.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:35 am

I don't see a dime of that money, and I HATE the BCS. I feel for you, man. I'm a Jacksonville State Alum, and we've sucked ever since we made the jump to 1AA. We were national champs in Div II.

I'd dance a jig if the BCS went away tomorrow in favor of a playoff system, even if Auburn never made it to the dance again...

Programmed2Kill · Post by **Programmed2Kill** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:46 pm

tealboy03 wrote: Bowling Green, dude.

Bowling Green

And your point is what, exactly?

Auburn played The Citadel, Louisiana Tech and that powerhouse UL Monroe in 2004. So you guys supposedly tried getting Bowling Green in that year. Fine. You don't think you could've taken in someone else with a little more prestige? You had to settle for The Citadel?

Look, everyone plays The Citadel every once in a while. That happens. But don't keep crying about 2004 when you had those three teams on your schedule. I am sick and friggin' tired of Auburn fans and their crying, sobbing and sniffling over 2004.

I could cry about Miami not playing Oklahoma in 2000 until I'm blue in the face. But I don't.

You know why? Because the next year, Miami was the consensus #2 team in the preseason polls. Miami capitalized, got into the title game and won.

Let's look at a year Auburn could've done something. How about 2003. Auburn was #5 in the consesus preseason polls. What did you do that year? 8-5. You guys had your shot right there.

Please stop the crying. As for this year, let the seasonm play out first before you declare Auburn a place in the title game.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:25 pm

tealboy03 wrote:
bkrich83 wrote:
tealboy03 wrote:
Actually, I know that.
Auburn fans are all the same.
This coming from a USC fan...

You guys have NOT heard me. I'm NOT comparing scores, I'm NOT trashing other teams. I AM talking about the disparity of the views of the talking heads and how THEY perceive Auburn, USC, Ohio State, Michigan and how the 'extra' stuff doesn't apply to anyone but Auburn to them. Corso and Herbstreit are complete idiots, show a bias that is impossible to hide against the SEC, and I'm tired of hearing how Auburn has to show so much more than the other guys, like they got a short bus invitation to the dance or something, that they didn't earn the right to be there, that they'd better perform in a manner that not only is victorious, but also flashy and impressive.

The best news is that, at least for now, what they think hasn't made an impact in the polls, but they sure want it to. They don't even hide it.

Get over what you think about me or what you THINK I'm saying, because I'm NOT saying that. Ohio State, Michigan, USC, are great teams. I'm not talking about their merits to be where they are. This all about the sports media, not the teams themselves. I thought I made that clear...apparently I haven't...

This coming from a USC fan? I have nothing against Auburn, they are just another team we put a beating on during our most recent run. Hell, I have posted here and at OS, up to this week I thought they were the #2 team in the country and would play for the title (although at this point, I feel Michigan should be #2).

Yup, it's a conspiracy against Auburn. Like most Auburn fans, if people aren't saying they are as great as Auburn fans think they are, it's an insult. Not everyone sees Auburn as being as good as you do. Get over it. Auburn is ranked #2 in the AP poll and #3 in the Coaches poll. If anyone should be complaining it should be Michigan, who's outplayed both Auburn and USC, and not even in the Top 5.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:27 pm

Programmed2Kill wrote:
tealboy03 wrote: Bowling Green, dude.

Bowling Green

And your point is what, exactly?

Auburn played The Citadel, Louisiana Tech and that powerhouse UL Monroe in 2004. So you guys supposedly tried getting Bowling Green in that year. Fine. You don't think you could've taken in someone else with a little more prestige? You had to settle for The Citadel?

Look, everyone plays The Citadel every once in a while. That happens. But don't keep crying about 2004 when you had those three teams on your schedule. I am sick and friggin' tired of Auburn fans and their crying, sobbing and sniffling over 2004.

I could cry about Miami not playing Oklahoma in 2000 until I'm blue in the face. But I don't.

You know why? Because the next year, Miami was the consensus #2 team in the preseason polls. Miami capitalized, got into the title game and won.

Let's look at a year Auburn could've done something. How about 2003. Auburn was #5 in the consesus preseason polls. What did you do that year? 8-5. You guys had your shot right there.

Please stop the crying. As for this year, let the seasonm play out first before you declare Auburn a place in the title game.

The thing about 2004 that never gets answered, what did Auburn do that made them sooo much more deserving of OU or USC to play for the title?

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:32 pm

tealboy03 wrote:
bkrich83 wrote:
tealboy03 wrote:This stuff about the SEC being overrated is laughable. Really laughable. Not to mention just a little bit ignorant...
You never answered. You really think UGA would be ranked in the Top 10 if they weren't in the SEC?

As to this question: Yes I do. In fact, I bet they'd rank HIGHER outside the SEC; if they were in the ACC they'd be consistently in the top 10.

Have you watched UGA this year at all? If UGA isn't in the SEC, there's no way they are ranked #10 and #9 this year.

SEC teams, rarely play anyone, and play them on the road even less, as I said, Auburn has 8 home games in a 12 game season. The SEC teams get a pass for not playing anyone out of conference, because of their perceived superiority. Auburn's Capital One Bowl blowout loss last year is a perfect example. Played a bunch of nobodies out of conference and blew them out. Got through the SEC schedule with only losing to LSU. Show up and play a good but not great Big 12 Wisconsin team, and then get taken behind the woodshed by the Badgers.

The SEC is a great conference, but it's not the dominant superior conference it's reputation would lead you to believe it is.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:34 pm

tealboy03 wrote:
bkrich83 wrote:
tealboy03 wrote:
Actually, I know that.
Auburn fans are all the same.
This coming from a USC fan...

You guys have NOT heard me. I'm NOT comparing scores, I'm NOT trashing other teams. I AM talking about the disparity of the views of the talking heads and how THEY perceive Auburn, USC, Ohio State, Michigan and how the 'extra' stuff doesn't apply to anyone but Auburn to them. Corso and Herbstreit are complete idiots, show a bias that is impossible to hide against the SEC, and I'm tired of hearing how Auburn has to show so much more than the other guys, like they got a short bus invitation to the dance or something, that they didn't earn the right to be there, that they'd better perform in a manner that not only is victorious, but also flashy and impressive.

The best news is that, at least for now, what they think hasn't made an impact in the polls, but they sure want it to. They don't even hide it.

Get over what you think about me or what you THINK I'm saying, because I'm NOT saying that. Ohio State, Michigan, USC, are great teams. I'm not talking about their merits to be where they are. This all about the sports media, not the teams themselves. I thought I made that clear...apparently I haven't...

You call out USC specifically in the title of this thread. You can try to backtrack all you want, but the gist of your posts is that USC does not deserve their ranking, but Auburn does. Then you point to the Washington St. game as some sort of indicator. If that is indeed true, you better crush Arkansas.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 2:22 pm

Eh, to hell with it...I'm not backtracking at all, yet all you see is what you want to see. Forget it...

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:16 pm

bkrich83 wrote:
tealboy03 wrote:
pigpen81 wrote: Quit whining about Auburn's injustice....you play in the MOST overated conference.

Teal...please realize I am yanking your chain as personally your a great guy...but as an SDSU grad(I know...they suck)...I am tired of hearing BCS folk cry about the BCS.
I know you're kidding about most of that, but most overrated conference?!? You can't be serious...
You think UGA would be ranked #10 if they weren't in the SEC?

No doubt UGA is having offensive troubles and are a weak 10. However, who are you going to put ahead of them? Its hard to have a team with 1 loss ahead of them right now when you consider their history(only USC has more wins over the last 5 years than UGA). The polls might suppose to be for "this year" but we know you can never remove human bios and therefore history from the equation.

What does bother me is the idea that you have to have a good offense to be a good team. However, teams with bad defensives are often considered good teams when their D is awful(like Georgia's offense) but their offense is explosive.

Part of the problems in Athens stem from having 2 freshman QBs splitting the playing time right now. The other problems are drops(you have to help your freshman QBs) and play calling. We are overusing our FBs now instead of using our backs more.. We have three backs that could start for alot of teams and instead of using them for screens, we are throwing the screens to our FB.

I don't have a history of liking many coaches but its hard to get mad at Richt when your team is 5-0 and has won 10+ games 4 years in a row. I would have killed for a record like that when I was there(6-5 was the norm then).

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:22 pm

bdunn13 wrote:
bkrich83 wrote:
tealboy03 wrote: I know you're kidding about most of that, but most overrated conference?!? You can't be serious...
You think UGA would be ranked #10 if they weren't in the SEC?
No doubt UGA is having offensive troubles and are a weak 10. However, who are you going to put ahead of them? Its hard to have a team with 1 loss ahead of them right now when you consider their history(only USC has more wins over the last 5 years than UGA). The polls might suppose to be for "this year" but we know you can never remove human bios and therefore history from the equation.

What does bother me is the idea that you have to have a good offense to be a good team. However, teams with bad defensives are often considered good teams when their D is awful(like Georgia's offense).

Part of the problems in Athens stem from having 2 freshman QBs splitting the playing time right now. The other problems are drops(you have to help your freshman QBs) and play calling. We are overusing our FBs now instead of using our back more.. We have three back that could start for alot of teams and instead of using them for screens, we are throwing the screens to our FB.

I don't have a history of liking many coaches but its hard to get mad at Richt when your team is 5-0 and has won 10+ games 4 years in a row. I would have killed for a record like that when I was there(6-5 was the norm then).

I think you have to be well rounded. Lets face it UGA has not played the stiffest competition this year, and were less than impressive vs. a Colorado team which is probably as bad of a D-1A team as there is, and even less impressive against a 1-4 Ole Miss team.

I find it hard to believe that UGA, at this point is the 10th best team in the nation, and I find it hard to believe if they played in any other conference than the SEC, that they would be ranked in the Top 10.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:34 am

http://home.knology.net/news/read.php?p ... CCLM_UNEWS

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:42 am

tealboy03 wrote:http://home.knology.net/news/read.php?p ... CCLM_UNEWS

Since teams like UGA, Auburn and Florida never play anyone out of conference, and play away from home even less, I guess we'll never know.

I thought the same thing about Auburn last year until the Capital One Bowl, when they got routed by a good but not great Wisconsin team, and UGA when their supposed dominant SEC style defense got shredded by West Virginia.

Just because you can beat up on Western Kentucky and the Citadel, does not make you a better conference than everyone else.

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:46 am

bkrich83 wrote:
tealboy03 wrote:http://home.knology.net/news/read.php?p ... CCLM_UNEWS
Since teams like UGA, Auburn and Florida never play anyone out of conference, and play away from home even less, I guess we'll never know.

I thought the same thing about Auburn last year until the Capital One Bowl, when they got routed by a good but not great Wisconsin team, and UGA when their supposed dominant SEC style defense got shredded by West Virginia.

Just because you can beat up on Western Kentucky and the Citadel, does not make you a better conference than everyone else.

Georgia plays GA Tech every year... played Clemson a couple of years ago home and away.... Not to mention everyone's favorite BCS buster last year in Boise State.. that was a battle.

So when USC plays someone IN conference, let me know... and don't tell me the PAC-10 is good b/c they are NOT. Who is to blame for that? USC.. There is only so much talent to go around and with USC recruiting like they have for the last 5 years, that has left the rest of the pac-10 weak.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:54 am

bdunn13 wrote:So when USC plays someone IN conference, let me know... and don't tell me the PAC-10 is good b/c they are NOT. Who is to blame for that? USC.. There is only so much talent to go around and with USC recruiting like they have for the last 5 years, that has left the rest of the pac-10 weak.

Wow, not sure I've ever seen that argument used before. So USC needs to stop offering scholarships to so many talented players so teams like Stanford and UCLA can improve?

I'm just glad I can blame something besides incompetence for Indiana's struggles. Stupid Ohio State and Michigan taking all the talent.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 11:59 am

bdunn13 wrote:
bkrich83 wrote:
tealboy03 wrote:http://home.knology.net/news/read.php?p ... CCLM_UNEWS
Since teams like UGA, Auburn and Florida never play anyone out of conference, and play away from home even less, I guess we'll never know.

I thought the same thing about Auburn last year until the Capital One Bowl, when they got routed by a good but not great Wisconsin team, and UGA when their supposed dominant SEC style defense got shredded by West Virginia.

Just because you can beat up on Western Kentucky and the Citadel, does not make you a better conference than everyone else.
Georgia plays GA Tech every year... played Clemson a couple of years ago home and away....

So when USC plays someone IN conference, let me know... and don't tell me the PAC-10 is good b/c they are NOT. Who is to blame for that? USC.. There is only so much talent to go around and with USC recruiting like they have for the last 5 years, that has left the rest of the pac-10 weak.

UGA hasn't played a non conference game away outside the state of Georgia since what 1964 or something like that?

UGA, is ranked in the Top 10 this year, strictly based on rep and being in the SEC. There's no way if you've watched them play the last few weeks you could say they were the 10th best team in the nation. Maybe when they get the QB back, they will improve.

Playing the SEC is not a license to never play away from home,and to only play creampuffs. Although SEC fans seem to think that is the opposite.