Madden 07 (Xbox 360) Thread

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:12 pm

Brando70 wrote:I agree with Danimal, a lack of fatigue will ruin Dynasty mode. I can live without it for online games, since those games are typically shorter, but without fatigue, you won't get proper substitutions, your backups won't get any playing time unless there's an injury, and that will screw up player progression. Unbelievable and inexcusable to get a fundamental item so wrong.

Sure, it's a fundamental thing, but can't you make your own substitutions? If it is as easy as NCAA is, you just pull a trigger and you have your backup in. Seems to me, there is always a way around these bugs (except for the dumb tackle bug in NCAA-PSP). I've never been a die hard for substitution patterns...I think they are cool when they work right, but it seems like every year there is a bug or two with regards to them, so I've kinda just given up hope for a decent substitution pattern.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:22 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
Brando70 wrote:I agree with Danimal, a lack of fatigue will ruin Dynasty mode. I can live without it for online games, since those games are typically shorter, but without fatigue, you won't get proper substitutions, your backups won't get any playing time unless there's an injury, and that will screw up player progression. Unbelievable and inexcusable to get a fundamental item so wrong.
Sure, it's a fundamental thing, but can't you make your own substitutions? If it is as easy as NCAA is, you just pull a trigger and you have your backup in. Seems to me, there is always a way around these bugs (except for the dumb tackle bug in NCAA-PSP). I've never been a die hard for substitution patterns...I think they are cool when they work right, but it seems like every year there is a bug or two with regards to them, so I've kinda just given up hope for a decent substitution pattern.

Except that the opposing offense or defense isn't going to get tired either. That definitely impacts the realism of the game.

I'm a Dynasty player -- I like online but most of my Madden time is spent in single-player mode. I'm willing to put up with a lot, but no fatigue is so arcadish, it's going to drive me nuts.

Plus, part of it is for $60, I shouldn't have to put up with this s***. Every game has bugs, and everyone's mileage varies on which ones bother them, but this is just very sloppy. You have to wonder, given that the f***in game isn't even out yet, what else could be wrong.

The rock and the hard place for me is that I was planning to pick it up next week to take to a fantasy football draft the following weekend. I'm the only one with a 360, and I was looking forward to getting some tourneys in with my brother and the other guys in the league. So I have to figure out if I want to drop $60 on a game that already has a big strike against it.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:26 pm

Brando70 wrote:Except that the opposing offense or defense isn't going to get tired either. That definitely impacts the realism of the game..

Uhh...oh yeah. Good point.

You can flip it on ebay easily...just lose a few bucks. Might as well get it and see what all the fuss is about. Who's to say they won't patch it? Wishful thinking of course, but you never know.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:30 pm

Looks like there is a workaround for the HOF players bug:

I've received a response directly from the Madden team.

Apparently, the people who told me that HOFers were not going to be added to Superstar/Franchise rosters at Community Day were "misinformed".

"...the (design) team wanted to give players the ability to use HOF players on current rosters. This is intentional."

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This is the workaround recommended by the Madden team if "players do not want to use this feature":

"Hall of Fame players are added to the roster on boot-up and whenever you move up in Madden Gamer Level. In order to prevent these (players) from being on your Franchise team, you have the following options:

1) Save off the roster upon boot-up, and load once you are in-game and then head into Franchise mode.

2) Go online and get the latest roster and start a Franchise. This will also remove the players. Once you have started a Franchise, these players won't show up, as the roster is saved with the Franchise."

To add to that, if you already have a saved Profile with a Madden Gamer Level high enough to unlock HOFers immediately, I'd recommend copying it to a memory card, removing it from your hard drive (if applicable), and booting the game without it so it doesn't auto-load.

You'll have the default rosters (and the ability to load customized ones from memory) and bypass the MGL/HOF functionality. Then, after the Franchise/Superstar is saved, you could load your profile normally.

The above instructions should also apply to Superstar mode as well as Franchise.

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Now, seeing as how quickly everyone jumped on EA here, I'd like to point out that their response regarding a workaround took only a few business hours after I called them yesterday, informing them of this and alerting them that I would post that evening in advance.

Thanks specifically go to Michael Johnson of EA, who worked after hours last night after we spoke and coordinated this workaround so quickly today, and the Madden design team for getting back to us and responding to the community's need for information.

Thanks to sdrotar for all his work on this.

One down, one to go.

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:32 pm

Brando70 wrote:Plus, part of it is for $60, I shouldn't have to put up with this s***. Every game has bugs, and everyone's mileage varies on which ones bother them, but this is just very sloppy. You have to wonder, given that the f***in game isn't even out yet, what else could be wrong.

Could not agree more. How the hell such a fundamental aspect of the game is either omitted, disabled, or completely left out is hard to imagine. What is even harder to imagine is trying to justify such a glaring omission. If all of this is true and they indeed left this out by design or mistake, it is indisputable evidence that license exclusivity has indeed hurt the end user. And if true, I hope that EA Sports either fixes the issue promptly or takes the full burden of negativity that comes with such glaring oversights and omissions....

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:23 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
Brando70 wrote:Except that the opposing offense or defense isn't going to get tired either. That definitely impacts the realism of the game..
Uhh...oh yeah. Good point.

You can flip it on ebay easily...just lose a few bucks. Might as well get it and see what all the fuss is about. Who's to say they won't patch it? Wishful thinking of course, but you never know.

That is probably what I will do. And they might fix it -- they did fix the NCAA import draft class bug back in 2004. I don't know much about programming, but since it's just something that needs to be turned on, perhaps it's a pretty easy fix.

And given that I know we'll be playing for money next weekend, I could even come out ahead

Still, it's so disappointing. I look forward to football game so much, learning about this is like learning you can sleep with Angelina Jolie, except that she has herpes. Sure, you may chance it, but the itching's going to drive you crazy later.

billharris44 · Post by **billharris44** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:57 pm

I just hope they don't do the "well, we wanted to do fatigue FROM THE GROUND up for the 360 version and just couldn't get it in this year." That will make me bash my head into the wall.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 8:26 pm

billharris44 wrote:I just hope they don't do the "well, we wanted to do fatigue FROM THE GROUND up for the 360 version and just couldn't get it in this year." That will make me bash my head into the wall.

Its EA ...why wait?...let the head bashing commence

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:21 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if these 'bugs' were put there on purpose. No fatigue appeals to cheesers which most madden gamers are anyway.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:24 pm

They had an online fatigue bug in 2005. Except that when people did several formation shifts, the defense would get tired and the WRs would run away from the DBs.

So their fix was to turn off fatigue online, which pissed people off.

It's really bad bug but it may not necessarily be a sign of laziness. It may in fact be putting in new features that break things existing in games. That is how software development turns out sometimes.

They are releasing it a week later than normal so there's no excuse for not spotting this in testing. What is stupid is that game isn't released yet so the few copies they released early to some fan sites and they find this bug right away.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:30 pm

The thing that kills me, is the fan sites that do have final copies have found the issues pretty darn quick.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:44 pm

BTW, that relationship between fan sites and EA is really suspect.

Sure these are enthusiast sites but any semblance of independence is doubtful. Not only do the "Community Leaders" get copies of the game every year, they are flown out to Orlando or Redwood City and get to hob nob not just with the Madden team but often NFL stars.

Maybe EA isn't expecting rave reviews from these sites. But even if they don't give rave reviews, they keep interest alive in their product. Even if they have a huge discussion on bugs, it probably in the end promotes people to buy the game. Unless they do something stupid like officially endorse a competitor or actively promote a competitor, EA is probably going to keep them in the fold.

Either that or Madden generates so much cash, they're just throwing it around.

TheGamer · Post by **TheGamer** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:48 pm

[quote=" Still, it's so disappointing. I look forward to football game so much, learning about this is like learning you can sleep with Angelina Jolie, except that she has herpes. Sure, you may chance it, but the itching's going to drive you crazy later.[/quote]

couldn't you have said crabs? at least then all you have to do is shave.

not that I would know

MUTTS · Post by **MUTTS** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:19 pm

"Still, it's so disappointing. I look forward to football game so much, learning about this is like learning you can sleep with Angelina Jolie, except that she has herpes. Sure, you may chance it, but the itching's going to drive you crazy later."

Medically speaking, its the pain and burning thats far worse than the itching. At least thats what we were taught in med school.

Tony

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:36 pm

MUTTS wrote:"Still, it's so disappointing. I look forward to football game so much, learning about this is like learning you can sleep with Angelina Jolie, except that she has herpes. Sure, you may chance it, but the itching's going to drive you crazy later."

Medically speaking, its the pain and burning thats far worse than the itching. At least thats what we were taught in med school.

Tony

Good times.

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:09 pm

This is also pretty depressing.

http://sports.ign.com/articles/725/725895p1.html

f*** EA/Tiburon. Two years into the next generation and I'm still stuck with my thumbs up my ass when it comes to football games, one of my favorite things in life. I'm a pacifist but I'd sure love to meet that d*****bag Jeremy Strauser in a back alley somewhere.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:19 pm

That doesn't look that much worse than Vick sometimes. I don't recall seeing any effort to spy him or play the DEs to contain. Young should have the ability to turn the corner on some NFL teams.

Game looks nice but there are jaggies. Maybe it's just the video.

No flashlight when the QB drops back? Did they turn off the cone?

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:34 pm

Definitely some interesting design/feature implementation by EA for the next gen version. Then there's the fatigue bug, hopefully they can get a patch out quickly...I just took the plunge on the 360 because next gen football pushed me over the edge.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:12 am

wco81 wrote:That doesn't look that much worse than Vick sometimes. I don't recall seeing any effort to spy him or play the DEs to contain. Young should have the ability to turn the corner on some NFL teams.

Game looks nice but there are jaggies. Maybe it's just the video.

No flashlight when the QB drops back? Did they turn off the cone?

I think they said it's off by default this year.

Well I'm not surprised that we've gone through the cycle of being excited for the game, anticipating the game, being initially disappointed in the game, shelving the game for good and then cursing EA. It does seem like in the past that playing the game actually fell in there somewhere, but I may not be remembering correctly...

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:35 am

MUTTS wrote:"Still, it's so disappointing. I look forward to football game so much, learning about this is like learning you can sleep with Angelina Jolie, except that she has herpes. Sure, you may chance it, but the itching's going to drive you crazy later."

Medically speaking, its the pain and burning thats far worse than the itching. At least thats what we were taught in med school.

Tony

Way to muck up a joke with your facts. What are you, some kind of doctor?

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 12:53 am

wco81 wrote:That doesn't look that much worse than Vick sometimes. I don't recall seeing any effort to spy him or play the DEs to contain. Young should have the ability to turn the corner on some NFL teams.

Game looks nice but there are jaggies. Maybe it's just the video.

No flashlight when the QB drops back? Did they turn off the cone?

The thing is that Young is running over people a lot bigger than him in those videos and not once did it look like he took a big hit or came close to fumbling. That's just crap. He got hit one time this weekend and got hurt.

I'm convinced that this is what EA believes that the masses want...something that doesn't even resemble football.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:30 am

GTHobbes wrote:This is also pretty depressing.

http://sports.ign.com/articles/725/725895p1.html

Dear god, I hope that's on Rookie.

kevinpars · Post by **kevinpars** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 7:09 am

I guess I can keep playing NCAA with its overdone momentum 'feature'.

I went next generation for this?

Now I know why Microsoft has changed its tune from "10 million sold before the PS3 comes out" to "first next gen console to 10 million sold."

Nothing like playing a sports game on next gen and seeing less features, aliasing, slowdowns and all of the shyte that i had hoped to see in the rear window when I bought the latest and greatest.

laurenskye · Post by **laurenskye** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:06 am

[quote="wco81"]That doesn't look that much worse than Vick sometimes. I don't recall seeing any effort to spy him or play the DEs to contain. Young should have the ability to turn the corner on some NFL teams.quote]

And rack up 50 yards rushing on every down with no fatigue, injury or fumbling?

Online is completely ruined.

Wilk5280 · Post by **Wilk5280** » Thu Aug 17, 2006 9:15 am

laurenskye wrote:
wco81 wrote:That doesn't look that much worse than Vick sometimes. I don't recall seeing any effort to spy him or play the DEs to contain. Young should have the ability to turn the corner on some NFL teams.quote]

And rack up 50 yards rushing on every down with no fatigue, injury or fumbling?

Online is completely ruined.

I'd be willing to be that what you saw in Young wouldn't be possible online against somebody who knows how to contain and spy a mobiile QB.

Bernard Jackson is a cheese hound in NCAA and people who know how to play against a mobile / speedy qb have no problems against me.

Madden on the XBOX last year didn't have fatigue (in ranked games at least) and it wasn't "ruined". Is it a major letdown about no Fatigue? Sure, but game isn't ruined IMO.

We have no idea what siill level that video was taken on etc.

I think people are either going to like the game or hate and 99 percent of the masses already have their minds made up before even playing the game for themselves.