Another Dead X360

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:19 pm

I would put a lot of money on 7 figures. I don't know a single person who owns a 360 that hasn't had to coffin their system...and that's about 10 guys outside of this forum. That's not a good ratio.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:33 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:I would put a lot of money on 7 figures. I don't know a single person who owns a 360 that hasn't had to coffin their system...and that's about 10 guys outside of this forum. That's not a good ratio.

If that's the case, then Microsoft either has superb PR, incredible brand loyalty to the Xbox or both.

How many 360's have been produced? 10, 15 million? If 1 million units have been defective, that's a failure rate of one in 10 or one in 15. That would be a PR and marketing disaster for any other company.

Can you imagine GM or Toyota releasing a new car in which one out of every 10 cars suffers catastrophic engine failure? That would be a fiasco, even if a warranty covered it. Or how about if one out of every 10 launch iPhone's suffered total failure? Wouldn't that be a nightmare even for Apple, which enjoys brand loyalty to the point of zealotry?

You wonder why MS is let off the hook by the gaming media and the gaming community. I just don't sense any backlash from either entity toward MS in gaming forums that I read. Just a shrug of the shoulders, as people send back their second, third and fourth 360s and wait for a new one.

Take care,
PK

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:49 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:I would put a lot of money on 7 figures. I don't know a single person who owns a 360 that hasn't had to coffin their system...and that's about 10 guys outside of this forum. That's not a good ratio.

Same here , hold your hand up if you are an 360 owner who hasnt had a problem, arnt the Elites starting to crumble now ?

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:50 pm

It would be interesting for someone here that had no problems whatsoever yet and start a thread 'Coffin what Coffin?'. I am sure the numbers would be pretty low.

Gangrel · Post by **Gangrel** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:09 pm

Well, I can report that 2 weeks in, my 360 is working fine.

Although yesterday, I was playing NHL2k8, and then hit the eject button to switch discs, and the thing froze or something, and I had to reboot it in order to have the disc tray open.......

kicko · Post by **kicko** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:21 pm

Exactly, and don't forget about the users that have sent in their 360 multiple times, some i read are like 3,4,5,6,7 times. Also many owners feel the need to own 2 360's and keep one as a back up. Does this sound like normal electronics consumption?

Does anyone like the console that much you feel the need to go through gaming torture. I'll send it in once and when i get it back that baby is going to someone else for the highest price. I am going to the dark side.

In fact i'll trade my repaired system to anyone on here interested for a ps3. I just want a blu-ray player.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:30 pm

I'm sure in almost any other electronic device, as soon as word got out about a shitty track record, the thing would just die. But the gaming on the 360 is just so damn good...I guess people are just willing to put up with a few weeks away from the system. I don't understand how it has survived really. I'm definitely one of the guys who would wait for it to be returned...but that's also one of the many reasons I picked up a PS3 as well. There has been some major brainwashing going on somewhere...because I really have no idea how the 360 has survived.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:35 pm

pk500 wrote: You wonder why MS is let off the hook by the gaming media and the gaming community. I just don't sense any backlash from either entity toward MS in gaming forums that I read. Just a shrug of the shoulders, as people send back their second, third and fourth 360s and wait for a new one.

Take care,
PK

The damn games library is just that good. Mine's been making odd sounds and behaving badly lately. I fully accept it may crap out. (Shrugs shoulders) Waddya gonna do?

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:42 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:I don't understand how it has survived really ... There has been some major brainwashing going on somewhere...because I really have no idea how the 360 has survived.

Yeah, no doubt. I asked the question sincerely because I have the same incredulity as you. I'm not partial toward either Sony or MS, as I have owned both companies' consoles and enjoyed them, and I've been out of the console game for more than a year now, anyways.

But I just don't know how MS has escaped this fiasco so scot-free. Would be a fascinating story for a gaming publication devoted to quality journalism.

Oh, wait: "Gaming publication devoted to quality journalism" is an oxymoron.

Take care,
PK

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:46 pm

I think it was heading for a pretty big crash before Microsoft admitted the problem and extended the RROD warranty for 3 years. That 'security' plus the great games library put lots of gamers in a relatively happy place, I believe.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 2:55 pm

Jimmydeicide wrote: Same here , hold your hand up if you are an 360 owner who hasnt had a problem, arnt the Elites starting to crumble now ?

10spro wrote:It would be interesting for someone here that had no problems whatsoever yet and start a thread 'Coffin what Coffin?'. I am sure the numbers would be pretty low.

Hypothetically should someone with, say, a working launch 360 that had seen heavy use, exist, I doubt they would tempt the gaming gods to direct their RROD eyes their way. Hypothetically, I know I wouldn't. Hypothetically.

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:07 pm

My launch system lasted over a year pretty good i thought as everyone around me where slowly getting picked off.

As far as its because the gaming is so good that people stick with it i think its more what other choices do they have, its not like if you hear Westinghouse have a shitty tv you stay clear and get a panasonic, sony, samsung or one of the other million choices for any electronics you have except a gaming console.
I wonder if this means Microsoft will try and get the next next gen system out sooner and try again because when all is said and done i think Sony are gonna end up on top again and it will all be down to the failure rate of the 360 not the great games for it which are soon going to be ps3 titles anyway.

LAking · Post by **LAking** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:10 pm

webdanzer wrote:
Jimmydeicide wrote: Same here , hold your hand up if you are an 360 owner who hasnt had a problem, arnt the Elites starting to crumble now ?

10spro wrote:It would be interesting for someone here that had no problems whatsoever yet and start a thread 'Coffin what Coffin?'. I am sure the numbers would be pretty low.
Hypothetically should someone with, say, a working launch 360 that had seen heavy use, exist, I doubt they would tempt the gaming gods to direct their RROD eyes their way. Hypothetically, I know I wouldn't. Hypothetically.

I'll do it. I have a 360 from March 06 and no RROD so far. The only problem I have is that the dvd drive is a tad wonky. Every time i put in a new game or whatever, it won't read it and it will eject the tray. I have to push it back in 2 or 3 times before it reads it. It seems like it's out of whack, like it's not closing completely shut so it's not even attempting to read the DVD until it's in place. That's just a guess.

I have the two year extended warranty (which was made a 3 year warranty once MS extended the standard one). Either I'll get a RROD before that's up or I'll just complain about the drive and hopefully get a new system with HDMI.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:19 pm

My launch system died and I had to get a replacement but since then no issues. My Elite I got maybe 6 or 7 months ago I have never had an issue with. Of course my cabinet has been designed now to reduce heat for all my components have fans on the side blowing air into it and fans on the back pulling hot air out. For the record my Wi and PS3 also needed repairs (actually I just swapped the PS3 cause I always buy RP's for consoles now) before I finished my theatre room with this cooling cabinet.

Having said that the reason I stick with the 360 is simple, Live. It's unmatched and I don't see anything coming close to it anytime soon. Playing games, chatting, buying content, messaging center. Hell I even enjoy the new Xbox Now thing they added which is just news. If Live didn't exist I don't think I would be using my 360 as much as I do.

Nintendo's got nothing and Sony isn't exactly offering me a good social experience online, I've seen home and used it for a pretty decent amount of time. there are good reasons its not out in the general public yet.

Even if somehow another company could produce something as good as Live it is too late. All my online gaming friends are on the 360, if a game is multi platform and has a multi player component there is not even a second of hesitation on what system I am getting it for.

Microsoft's gamble to get into the online world with the original Xbox has paid off and its crazy to me that some 5 years later Sony or Nintendo still can't compete.

Anyway I kind of got long winded but I wanted to explain why I think Live is a major reason for the 360 love. I hear achievements do it for a lot of people too.

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:25 pm

Yeh good post Danimal live is phenominal. Could be the reason for sure, its a huge network of drinking buddies with the same interests what a concept.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:34 pm

Good points, Dan. The voice interaction and easy matchmaking capabilities of Live are the only things I miss about console gaming even the slightest bit.

Take care,
PK

kicko · Post by **kicko** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:55 pm

good points, but i dont play online or really use live at all. I might find a 48hr pass and play once in awhile but i just dont have the time so live for me is a waste. I mainly play baseball games and looking for a blu-ray player. That said its easy to give up on the 360, but i'll see when i get it back just how i feel.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:58 pm

LAking wrote:
webdanzer wrote:Hypothetically should someone with, say, a working launch 360 that had seen heavy use, exist, I doubt they would tempt the gaming gods to direct their RROD eyes their way. Hypothetically, I know I wouldn't. Hypothetically.
I'll do it. I have a 360 from March 06 and no RROD so far...

Heh, I was fooling around, but my Nov 05 unit is still going strong. I don't think I know anyone else who has a working launch 360.

I'm starting to get nervous, and somewhat hope that it actually DOES RROD before November and the end of the warranty.

Phototropic · Post by **Phototropic** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 6:56 pm

webdanzer wrote:
LAking wrote:
webdanzer wrote:Hypothetically should someone with, say, a working launch 360 that had seen heavy use, exist, I doubt they would tempt the gaming gods to direct their RROD eyes their way. Hypothetically, I know I wouldn't. Hypothetically.
I'll do it. I have a 360 from March 06 and no RROD so far...
Heh, I was fooling around, but my Nov 05 unit is still going strong. I don't think I know anyone else who has a working launch 360.

I'm starting to get nervous, and somewhat hope that it actually DOES RROD before November and the end of the warranty.

I've had mine since Jan 06 and put an insane number of hours on it with no RROD yet. That said, all 10-15 people I know who have had one for over a year have had the RROD.

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:10 pm

Ooooh , Jinx, right web?

HipE · Post by **HipE** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:24 pm

I may be sealing my own fate by saying it, but here it is: My 360 that I purchased on launch day is still working perfectly, I don't even think I have ever had so much as a single game freeze on it. I'm someone who usually has bad luck with consoles too, as I went through a couple of PSones , two PS2s and two of the original Xbox. I think I should offer it up to Bill Gates himself for a huge price so my system can be carefully studied and held up as the model for all future units to be patterned after.

Should I go ahead and place the order for the coffin right now?

Post by **Jared** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:29 pm

I bought mine about a year and a half ago, and no problems.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:09 am

my box came today, so i'll ship it off on Monday.

Sport73 · Post by **Sport73** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 8:51 am

Based on estimated failure rates and anecdotal of evidence of more than 50% of the DSP community having one or multiple RROD, I would guess that every launch system will fail sometime during its useful life.

I gave up on the 360 after my launch unit died 14 months after purchase. Microsoft hadn't yet acknowledged the problem and wanted to charge me $140 for the privilege to have them fix their shoddy product. I got 'creative' and got a new 360 which I promptly traded in for a PS3. The PS3 is a great machine that has recently begun to show its promise, and is worth the price for MLB alone.

Still, I found myself frustrated with the PSN limitations vs. Live; Danimal is dead right that everything other than Live is not even worthy of being called an online system. So, I grabbed a 360 Elite at Christmas.

I'm now a 3 console owner, and they get 'almost' equal time, except for the Wii which just doesn't have many good games. Still, I expect I'll be getting most multi-platform new releases for the 360 for the foreseeable future, and using the PS3 for exclusives (of which there are many coming up: Haze, GT Prologue, MLB).

If I had to recommend a system to someone it would be a tough call based upon their preferences; each system has strengths coupled with nearly crippling weaknesses.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:29 am

Well, that's a new record. I hooked up my refurbished console this morning and it was dead on arrival. MS *says* it is shipping me a *new* console, but I'll believe it when I see it.