Tiger Woods 13 PGA TOUR and CE Info

[Leadfoot5]

My weekly is in the crapper, so I decided to play the daily to lift my spirits. -1 after 4 holes when the game froze. Sigh... Game off, TV off... will go smash some stuff in Diablo III to feel better I guess.

[10spro]

I wonder how low DM would shoot if he actually liked Royal Birkdale.

[vader29]

On todays daily I got an eagle on the 10th hole par 4 from 99 yards away with the crappy sandwedge that always gives me trouble shooting with it from the fairways.

[10spro]

On todays daily I got an eagle on the 10th hole par 4 from 99 yards away with the crappy sandwedge that always gives me trouble shooting with it from the fairways.

And so far, it's helped you be on top. I just never do well at Old White finishing at +1.

[Aristo]

For the record, I would not have minded putting in more time in order to compete. What I wasn't interested in was putting in the time to produce unrealistic scores.

You can make this game play as easy or as realistic as you wish.......

But that's not the issue. Why play in a group which requires ruining the game in order to enjoy it?

It's not any different than playing in an NCAA Dynasty with guys using the broken vertical plays in order to pile up yards and records so that they can monopolize all of the perks from playing. I can play NCAA realistically, and enjoy the hell out of it. But it's not fun to be in a league with guys cheesing it up.

I looked at where my golfer was in terms of XP, what I could do to get competitive, and I realized that I was aiming for playing the game exactly the opposite of what I wanted. At that point I decided spending time on other game would be more fun. It was the CC stuff that finally drew me in, and it eventually tuned me out.

And for the record, TW 11 let you make it more realistic by letting you tune your clubs to reduce the sweet spot so that the extra power and control came at a price. EA nerfed the game.

[DivotMaker]

But that's not the issue. Why play in a group which requires ruining the game in order to enjoy it?

It's not any different than playing in an NCAA Dynasty with guys using the broken vertical plays in order to pile up yards and records so that they can monopolize all of the perks from playing. I can play NCAA realistically, and enjoy the hell out of it. But it's not fun to be in a league with guys cheesing it up.

I looked at where my golfer was in terms of XP, what I could do to get competitive, and I realized that I was aiming for playing the game exactly the opposite of what I wanted. At that point I decided spending time on other game would be more fun. It was the CC stuff that finally drew me in, and it eventually tuned me out.

And for the record, TW 11 let you make it more realistic by letting you tune your clubs to reduce the sweet spot so that the extra power and control came at a price. EA nerfed the game.

"Ruining the game in order to enjoy it"? Not following you at all there.

Who is "cheesing it up" here in this game?

And for the record, TW11's Club Tuner did more to "cheese up" the game than anything in 13. The Tempo component does the same thing as Club Tuner as you incur more risk when you swing harder (such as in IRL Golf). Look, we aren't going to agree on 11 vs. 13, so lets just leave it at that and not derail this thread. Last time I looked, the TW11 thread here (and in many other forums) had about 10% of the number of responses, so if 11 was so great (TrueAim in the hardest mode was and still is the best interface) then by all means go play it and we'll continue to play 13.....

[ddtrane]

I understand "That you play to win the game" mentality, but what about having fun while playing. Golf is the only sport where not only do you compete against other players, but in golf you compete against the course. I know there's a cup that everyone is playing for but if you don't win it will your life end? Will you lose your house will your kids not eat? I don't think si, it's just a game and a video game at that. The point I'm making is it saddens me to hear people complain about other peoples scores, and how realistic or unrealistic they may be, don't get bitter, get better.

I've had this game since it came out and am playing tournament for the first time, I haven't broken par on any round yet. But I'm enjoying the challenge cause I know it will happen some time or another. My best rounds are 75's on Pebble Beach and Augusta National. All I'm saying just have fun, should I stop watching sports because I'll never be as good as those guys, no!! Just enjoy it for what it is, a diversion from reality.

[ddtrane]

Honestly, this game must do something right, no other game is even close to 90 pages of responses. This game rocks!

[DChaps]

... I've had this game since it came out and am playing tournament for the first time, I haven't broken par on any round yet. But I'm enjoying the challenge cause I know it will happen some time or another.

I am in exactly the same boat here. The only time I had broken par was when I then found out that it was one of our Daily experiments that was not set to the Tournament setting. I have been close a couple times, and blew it in the last few holes.

Technically, any real pro golfer has a shot at posting a -18 round every time they tee it up. All it requires is a good drive, perfect approach shot that puts you within a few feet from the pin, and then executing the putt, correct? Of course no one ever pulls that off because there are too many variables in executing a golf swing in what can go right or wrong, not to mention the course, weather, etc. All we are doing in console golf is pulling back on a stick. Regardless of the precision required, there is always going to be far less things that can "go wrong" using the controller, unless the game just interjects some kind of random bad shots, which I don't think anyone likes. I don't get the sense that any of the DSP All Stars are making all Par 4's in 1, making every 30ft putt or greater, and hitting hole in ones on all the par 3's. If that was happening it might seem unrealistic, but that does not seem to be the case at least as I view the stats after each round. As suckky as I am, I have even had a round where I "could have" shot a -10 or better, as I had the chance to make several birdies that I just blew the putting. Someone who can putt consistently would have had a great score as my driving and short game were really good that round. I even had a shot at eagle on one hole that I managed to turn into a double bogey.

[Danimal]

So who wants next weeks weekly to be set to the absolute hardest conditions possible just to see if Tiger can deliver realistic scores?

I'd really like to see if we make the 4 rounds completely un-ejoyable if that would effect the scoring as were being told.

[DivotMaker]

Well said ddtrane and DChaps!

[DivotMaker]

So who wants next weeks weekly to be set to the absolute hardest conditions possible just to see if Tiger can deliver realistic scores?

I'd really like to see if we make the 4 rounds completely un-ejoyable if that would effect the scoring as were being told.

Take a look at today's Daily at the Old White TPC.....

[Danimal]

Take a look at today's Daily at the Old White TPC.....

I can point you to 15 other tournaments with the same conditions with ridiculous scores, So what's your point...

EDIT: Oh and I would take a look if this wonderful product actually had leader boards on their OCC websites.

[10spro]

Well said ddtrane and DChaps!

Co-signed. Wished you could join the club DD. Personally, I could care less if I can win the ultimate cup. My goal is to get closer and closer each week to the top guys and be competitive. Do I wish some of them to come back to earth perhaps for at least a damn week? Sure. But it's a video game, we all have to remember that. The boost pins are allowed now on the dailies, I suggested shooting from the red T's for a few, everything has been done to help those that haven't had time to power up their CAG's. Even a PRO of your choice is allowed.

But the bottom line is, if you don't put some hours into the game, you just won't improve. Period. No matter who you use on the tournaments.

[DivotMaker]

Ok Dan, you win. The game cannot produce realistic scoring so set up the rounds however you like, I'll just play and stop commenting on ways to get more realistic scoring because it is obvious I am clueless.

And I agree with tour OCC comments and have since Day One, so what is your point again?

[10spro]

What kills me is that you have guys like DD and others from DSP 2 that want to play and we have already 25 dudes in the club, some of them already resigned for whatever reason. If you have totally given up on TW 13, wouldn't it be fair to allow others that want to compete in our CC?

[orthostud23]

What kills me is that you have guys like DD and others from DSP 2 that want to play and we have already 25 dudes in the club, some of them already resigned for whatever reason. If you have totally given up on TW 13, wouldn't it be fair to allow others that want to compete in our CC?

+1

[10spro]

I did have a BS moment at the daily yesterday on hole #12 where my putt was just a milli inch short of falling into the cup. It was an uphill putt but still, being that close the ball just rolled down on me about 12 feet down and while it fell short of the nightmare I had at Bethpage on #15 a few weeks ago, it may me say out loud WTF is going on here.

I hate Old White, was +6 thru 12 until I managed to get a couple of birdies and an eagle on 17 to finish +1.

[Danimal]

Ok Dan, you win. The game cannot produce realistic scoring so set up the rounds however you like, I'll just play and stop commenting on ways to get more realistic scoring because it is obvious I am clueless.

And I agree with tour OCC comments and have since Day One, so what is your point again?

My point is every time someone had a legitimate issue with the game you have a reason why they are wrong.

The proof is in the pudding with scoring, it's indisputable. I've not set up the weekly to be easy but your response is I am setting it up wrong. I should set every round up with windy conditions to make it hard? I'm trying to mix up the rounds and have breezy sunny conditions. Not every tournament on the PGA is played in harsh winds with extra long rough. Even if we use your one off Old White round as an example if that tournament had played out for 4 days in those conditions the winner would of been in the mid to high 20's.

If you look at the PGA Tour and the last 5 events winning 4 day totals -11, -12, -13 etc. The highest I can find is Justin Dufners -19 at the Zurich Classic. We had someone shoot a -19 for a single round!

You're saying I have to artificially influence the game with weather to make the score realistic. If that's acceptable to you and apparently it is then that's great. To me it's not, we shouldn't need to make the conditions tough to not get inflated scores.

So yes we'll disagree that this game can produce realistic scores. Sure maybe a round here or there but in a tournament setting with CAG's maxed out not a chance.

[Danimal]

What kills me is that you have guys like DD and others from DSP 2 that want to play and we have already 25 dudes in the club, some of them already resigned for whatever reason. If you have totally given up on TW 13, wouldn't it be fair to allow others that want to compete in our CC?

Who exactly is pinning to get in? They can PM me and I can boot people from the club. It's really easy we only have 7-10 guys playing.

[Danimal]

I did have a BS moment at the daily yesterday on hole #12 where my putt was just a milli inch short of falling into the cup.

This doesn't get enough talk but I think the putting mechanics and physics need a complete overhaul.

In real life when is the last time you lipped out a 4 footer to have it roll 15 feet from the hole. I play tournament golf so I an used to jacked up speedy greens, this never happens. Sure a 20+ footer with speed could do that but not a 4 footer.

In short to me the ability to hit a short soft putt is very hard with the way the mechanics are set up. I spent my daily yesterday putting from every camera angle to see if it helped and it didn't. Interestingly from the side on facing came I hit every shot (not putt) perfect and straight to the point I thought it might be a bug.

The greens should also have a 3d contour view for reading them or the ability to put the aiming cursor anywhere and get and idea of slope and break.

[10spro]

What kills me is that you have guys like DD and others from DSP 2 that want to play and we have already 25 dudes in the club, some of them already resigned for whatever reason. If you have totally given up on TW 13, wouldn't it be fair to allow others that want to compete in our CC?

Who exactly is pinning to get in? They can PM me and I can boot people from the club. It's really easy we only have 7-10 guys playing.

Guys like Spooky always wanted in I think. DDtrane wanted in a few pages back, and sounds like he's playing daily. You may want to PM them to confirm.

[DivotMaker]

Dan,

Not once have said anyone was wrong. Not once. I have offered different opinions based on what I see playing the game. My apologies if my opinions don't agree with yours.

This game CAN and DOES produce realistic scoring, but it is inconsistent because there are some who blow right by the rest of the field, especially the Weekly's. Case in point...I shot -46 last week on a course I typically play poorly on. This week, I am playing another course I typically play poorly on and after 3 rounds, I am -21. Conversely, I just finished a tournament in CM at Whistling Straits, and shot -18 for four rounds winning by 3 shots. None of the settings were harsh either. So I stand by my comment that this game CAN produce realistic scoring, but much of that can depend on the settings and more importantly how well an individual might be playing during that tournament. I have had numerous experiences where I simply could not score well to save my life and other times such as at Oakmont last week where I was in a zone and could not miss. I would like to think others here have experienced similar situations, but I may be wrong.

I'll conclude with this, I REALLY enjoy the DSP OCC and the camaraderie and competition and I can't thank you and John enough for all your time invested in making these tournaments for us. However, I refuse to become a distraction or a divisive presence here, so I will never comment on this subject here in this forum and just play whatever tournaments the group wants.

Take Care and Thanks Again,

Tim

[pk500]

Please give me a week or so to see if I get back into playing DSP tournaments regularly. I just returned from nearly three weeks at Indy, so I'm trying to get a bunch of loose ends tied up, getting back into the rhythm of "regular" life.

I'll be happy to surrender my DSP club membership to good guys like Trane or Spooky if I don't find time or desire to resume my DSP PGA career.

[Danimal]

Tim -

It's just a discussion / debate bud. I'm not saying my opinion is right and yours wrong just that I don't agree with you and I did feel like you were implying I wasn't setting up the rounds correctly. I think a score in the -21 to -25 range should be a rare occasion and some outstanding golf. I'd rather see low to mid teens be the norm. I understand it's a video game and I understand there are plenty of people who could care less.

However for me this is a sticking issue. It's like the guys who care about simulated stats in madden, or recruiting in NCAA. With any sports game we all have out own criteria on what we can tolerate. I use to love the show but for the last 2 years I have bought it and not played it past 2 weeks because the hitting is absurdly difficult and I don't want to play with endless sliders to hit. The game has passed me by I guess.

I could, and have offered with no response, write a 3-4 page essay on things they could do to make this game better IMO. Having said that this is the first golf game since PGA on the PC I have played this much so I don't hate the game I just wish it had some more options to customize. There is no reason for you to not talk about the game and disagree with me, hell if we all shut up every time we disagreed I don't think Teal and I would still be friends

Dan