Tiger Woods 13 PGA TOUR and CE Info

[webdanzer]

I know there is a limit to total CAG points, right?

Where did you hear this?

I thought someone posted that here on DSP, no? Divot or someone else?

[MERACE]

Or we can just let anyone use whatever golfer in the game they want. CAG or pro and there should be absolutely no complaints about people having more time to build up their CAG and having an unfair advantage.

I like this idea!


-MERACE

[Wilk5280]

I know there is a limit to total CAG points, right?

Where did you hear this?

I thought someone posted that here on DSP, no? Divot or someone else?

There's a limit, but I can't remember what it is. You can't make every skill 100 percent though. I've been maxed at my skill lvl for quite awhile now and have roughly 300k in experience points that I can't distribute. My power and putting are at 95, accuracy at 100 and the other attributes are at 70.

[Wilk5280]

Btw, nice daily's by ortho and JC with 9 under's. I had a bogey set me back and couldn't take advantage of the par 5 13th (?) due to hitting my drive too far along the right side of the fairway, bringing the trees into play.

[Danimal]

There's a limit, but I can't remember what it is. You can't make every skill 100 percent though. I've been maxed at my skill lvl for quite awhile now and have roughly 300k in experience points that I can't distribute. My power and putting are at 95, accuracy at 100 and the other attributes are at 70.

Isn't that better attributes then every pro in the game?

Me thinks I found the problem with Tiger Woods Holmes...

[DivotMaker]

I know there is a limit to total CAG points, right?

510 total points distributed any way you like.

[J_Cauthen]

sigh. humming along nicely in the daily at -1 until i screw up 11 and 12, throw in some water (twice) on 15 i think, and blow up to a +7.

The 15th at Scottsdale can be a devilish hole. I had something really bizarre happen to me on that hole in today's round. I hadn't hit a real good drive and needed 240 yards to carry the water. I hit a 3-wood and pushed it slightly. It carried the water by about 3 yards and seemed to stop in the 2nd cut of rough just in front of the bunker to the right. When the screen displayed my new position for my next shot, I was on the tee side of the water , on the slope of the bank in the 2nd cut of rough

I thought since I was there, the game must decided I put my ball in the water and dropped me where it did. I expected to have a penalty stroke assessed and be looking at my 4th shot. Noooo... it showed me as playing my 3rd shot I didn't question it because really, it was still ripping me off because I should have been on the other side of the water, 30 yards closer to the hole. I knocked my pitch shot to about 25 feet past the hole, but made the putt for a birdie (even though I didn't have a clue that I was hitting a double-breaking putt... I just hit it straight and by dumb luck, made it). That was one of the stranger things I've had happen to me in the game though.

[J_Cauthen]

Btw, nice daily's by ortho and JC with 9 under's. I had a bogey set me back and couldn't take advantage of the par 5 13th (?) due to hitting my drive too far along the right side of the fairway, bringing the trees into play.

This is turning into a real shootout! I'm very conscious of the trees on the right on 15 for the very reason you state. I was so short off the tee tonight that direction didn't matter. I only registered about 30% on my tempo meter, but I'd come close to pegging the overswing meter. I three putted the 8th hole from 10 feet for a bogey, but that was my only one.

I saw that Ortho was bogey free, and I'm sure that was the major variable in the tie-breaker between he and I. To be honest though, I feel like I stole something in this round. I didn't feel like I was shooting a 63! There were very few putts of 6 feet or more that I honestly had a feeling I was going to make prior to hitting them. Twice I was weak on approach shots just enough to have the ball get a kick from the fairway or fringe before getting the to green. They both rolled up for gimmy birdies. If they had carried a yard further, they would have been softened by the green and bit harder, leaving me with greater than 25 feet to the hole in both cases.

FWIW, I saw winds of 4 to 15 MPH in my round, but I don't think I saw gusts change by more than 5 MPH on any hole. 15 just seems a wee bit high for what I would call "breezy", at least based on some of the earlier TW games on both console and PC.

[Danimal]

BTW I looked at Tiger's rating in game tonight since his our the best. He doesn't have one attribute in the 90's. Nevermind two 100's and one 95. I have to ask how far are you drives at 100 power? I'm at 75 power and my drives with no wind are usually 300-310 yards. I have to guess you're hitting it 375+ with 100 power.

I know it's a game and the purpose of building up the guy is to get people to play more but it would be nice if there were some kind of hard core mode that didn't let the attributes get up that high.

[TheTruth]

I'm at 75 power and my drives with no wind are usually 300-310 yards.

Wow - I'm at 93 power and no wind flat terrain I hit about 290-295. And that's with the 10% power shafts or whatever it's called.

[Wilk5280]

DP

[Wilk5280]

BTW I looked at Tiger's rating in game tonight since his our the best. He doesn't have one attribute in the 90's. Nevermind two 100's and one 95. I have to ask how far are you drives at 100 power? I'm at 75 power and my drives with no wind are usually 300-310 yards. I have to guess you're hitting it 375+ with 100 power.

I know it's a game and the purpose of building up the guy is to get people to play more but it would be nice if there were some kind of hard core mode that didn't let the attributes get up that high.

My drives, without wind, are 285-315 depending on elevation.

Into a strong head wind I get about 255

[Wilk5280]

I was wrong about my attributes (I had changed them around a lot so got confused I guess).

94 - power
94 - accuracy
82 - workability
70 - spin
75 - recovery
94 - putting

Not much different, I know. Just thought I'd clarify

I'm now bowing out of the debate and just going to continue enjoying the game. This tiny dispute is kind of bringing down a bit TBO.

[DivotMaker]

BTW I looked at Tiger's rating in game tonight since his our the best. He doesn't have one attribute in the 90's. Nevermind two 100's and one 95. I have to ask how far are you drives at 100 power? I'm at 75 power and my drives with no wind are usually 300-310 yards. I have to guess you're hitting it 375+ with 100 power.

I know it's a game and the purpose of building up the guy is to get people to play more but it would be nice if there were some kind of hard core mode that didn't let the attributes get up that high.

The rating for the driver and shafts I have equipped at 100% Power is 292 yards. I average 285-305 on drives with my aggregate average of 281, so 100% Power is not an issue IMO. It still plays hard core with my attributes.

My attributes are:


100 - power
100 - accuracy
70- workability
70 - spin
70 - recovery
86 - putting

[DChaps]

Personally I have a bigger issue with the multiple tries we need to leave on because of Tiger crashing. Call my cynical or untrusting but that bugs me more then anything.

I am perfectly fine with turning off the multiple tries. I get a lot of freezes, but it will not keep me from trying to play the Dailys or Weeklys if we turn the multiple tries off. It will probably just add to the pressure. That being said I have completed two straight weeklys and two dailys with only one freeze during 10 rounds played, so it seems to be magically getting better for me.

[Wilk5280]

Turn off multiple tries. Same guys at the top with the same scores... guaranteed.

Make us use the same pro, same guys at the top with the same scores... guaranteed.

Wake up call fellas... some people are better than others at the damn game.

Now, for real I am bowing out.

[J_Cauthen]

The rating for the driver and shafts I have equipped at 100% Power is 292 yards. I average 285-305 on drives with my aggregate average of 281, so 100% Power is not an issue IMO.

My "stock" drive distance is also shown at 292 yards with the way my golfer is equipped and attributed, yet my Power attribute is set at 96. Through experimentation, I found that number goes to 293 at 100. My average drive is 279, but I've only seen two fast tempos and three perfect tempos in all my time playing Tournament difficulty.

The bang for the buck really wears off once you get to the 80's in power attributes. Oddly though, if I go from 96 to 100% power, my ability to regulate short and mid-range iron shots diminishes significantly. I tend to fly them over the green, so I backed off to 96 and feel comfortable again.

My current attributes are as follows:

96 - power
93 - accuracy
85 - workability
58 - spin
83 - recovery
95 - putting

My power and spin attributes are where they're going to stay. The others are still in flux, although I'm at my limit of 510. I know the 58 looks odd for spin, but I like the way the game plays for me with that level of spin. The ball does very much like it does for me in real life. Secondly, since I'm usually two to three bars short of perfect tempo, the ball comes up short of the predicted carry distance. That lack of spin offsets the distance shortage in terms of forward roll. It keeps me from shooting at pins tucked behind traps or hazards though.

[J_Cauthen]

Turn off multiple tries. Same guys at the top with the same scores... guaranteed.

Make us use the same pro, same guys at the top with the same scores... guaranteed.

Wake up call fellas... some people are better than others at the damn game.

All very true!

Now, for real I am bowing out.

There's really not much more that could be said about this IMO. I don't consider myself an elite player, although I'd say I've gone from being a average player in Tiger 11 and 12, to a better than average player in Tiger 13. My scores tend to oscillate more wildly than those whom I consider elite players.

BTW, I noticed how similar our attribute distribution we are. The big difference is between spin and recovery. I rarely see a shot back-up on dry, fast or tournament speed greens, even with a 60 degree wedge, with my spin setting of 58. I've gotten comfortable playing that way though.
Do you typically back up wedges on fast and tournament greens under dry conditions with 70?

[webdanzer]

It's pretty simple:

... some people are better than others at the damn game.

And

In our tournaments, folks are competing with golfers of vastly different ability levels, clubs, etc.


Kinds silly to ignore either one of these facts.

[Wilk5280]

then for the love of pete, FORCE everyone to use the same player, with the same clubs with the same weather condition. I still guarantee the same players are at the top of the leader board. I don't know how to make it any more clear than that.

Orange slices for everyone!

[Wilk5280]

Maybe we should mail around the same controller to everyone's house as well to ensure there's no unfair advantage there too

[webdanzer]

then for the love of pete, FORCE everyone to use the same player, with the same clubs with the same weather condition. I still guarantee the same players are at the top of the leader board. I don't know how to make it any more clear than that.

Orange slices for everyone!

No real way to enforce clubs and pros, but I don't have a problem with any of the current settings. If you want to thump your chest at your leaderboard position because you're so good at the damn game, more power to you! I'll also enjoy playing the game and being generally happy with my position knowing that I have played thousands of less holes than some folks have played, and work with -15/-20 attributes.

I'm not sure what you are arguing about. Would the same top 2-3 guys be on top if there were an ability to enforce true equality? Yeah, very probably. So does that mean then that we are all indeed on an equal footing? Heck no.

[Wilk5280]

That's just the thing. I'm not bumping my chest about my position. Until this past week I'd say im middle of the road, maybe a little better. So I got lucky on a couple of rounds of the weekly, I get that.

What I don't get, and never will, is the constant bickering about people having better CAG's, weather conditions not being equal, and some players just having an unfair advantage in general.

[webdanzer]

Yeah, the game is what it is. The current discussion started because of a complaint that weather conditions were 'unfair', and was countered with well yeah, but lots of things in the game can be considered 'unfair.' For the most part, I think folks in our league get this, and just have a good time playing, which is how it should be.

[10spro]

FWIW, I am perfectly fine with the Live weather conditions. I don't pick a particular time to play the game just whenever I can squeeze an hour or two. I am still playing with my CAG and if the consent is to narrow down the tries to just one, I am fine with that too. I don't think it would change much my current status in any shape or form. Still enjoying the dailies and weeklies and just want to thank the organizers for setting up the tournaments.

John, congrats on your low score along Ortho. Was the daily set up with no grid on and no caddie assistance? Looking forward to some action this weekend.