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pk500 wrote:I'm not pointing the finger at you, James, so don't take this as criticism of your post. But your post did light a fuse that has existed in me since I first saw the phrase "must win" used in these playoffs and during the regular-season playoff stretch drive.

It always cracks me up when media and fans say a certain game is a "must win." It's one of the biggest cliches in sports.
Point taken PK. And like you said it is sometimes so overused by the media that a regular Joe Blow that is just starting to follow Hockey would wonder when does a game is a not a 'Must" then? But should one give the word 'Must" a certain level of urgency then? Canucks 'must' win the next game to win the series while the Blues 'must' win to survive the series.

Big wins for both CAL and WAS, historically these two teams never won a series when being down 0-2, and it's now game ON.

Who's this S. Varlamov?

Habs are a mess. I still think that Gainey should have never fired 'Carbo', sure they missed a few guys and looking at the series with BOS it's not Tanguay, it's not Schneider nor R. Lang but they miss A. Markov the most with his physical play. And with a bunch of guys being UFA's, is it time to rebuild again?
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Jimmydeicide wrote: Didnt realize the Hawks were that good Calgary gave all they had tonight and it wasnt easy so they will have to be even better here on out or they are done.
It'll go to 7 games.
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That Blues game tomorrow is a Must Win for STL.... :wink:
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pk500 wrote:Oh, baby: Calgary and Chicago are getting chippy as hell here in the last minute. This is THE series to watch in the West now.
Both Quenneville and Burrish should be suspended, with the game over you just don't send messages like that. The crosscheck was so hard that he broke his stick. As much as I don't like the Flames, all the Hawks are doing is firing up Iginla and he's a game breaker. It's getting nasty.

C. Campbell please do your job.
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The Versus game last night that showed the CHI and Calgary game was a feed from TSN. I'm assuming that's a Canadian network based on the way the announcers spoke. I think it could have possibly been the home feed for Calgary. Anyone know? They were great! Much more informed than most of the American announcers. Not as good as the #1, Mike Emerick but they were excellent. That Calgary arena seems like a pretty hoppin place.
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Jimmydeicide wrote:I agree, Chicago showing no respect , i loved it and cant wait to see Jarome next game hes gonna be a 1 man wrecking crew.
No doubt. Iggy is the wrong guy to piss off. I DESPISE Calgary more than any professional franchise in sports, especially that punk Phaneuf, but I have infinite respect for Iginla as a player and leader.

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fletcher21 wrote:The Versus game last night that showed the CHI and Calgary game was a feed from TSN. I'm assuming that's a Canadian network based on the way the announcers spoke. I think it could have possibly been the home feed for Calgary. Anyone know? They were great! Much more informed than most of the American announcers. Not as good as the #1, Mike Emerick but they were excellent. That Calgary arena seems like a pretty hoppin place.
TSN is Canada's version of ESPN. Much like the CBC, it does hockey way better than American broadcasters because it knows the game inside-out and treats the game with respect. That said, VERSUS does a solid job.

TSN's Pierre McGuire is a mediocre analyst in the booth, but there's no one better in the game from analyzing and reporting between the benches.

Emerick? Uggh. Dude has an annoying voice, raises his pipes to a screech to create false melodrama when it's not needed and feels the urge much too often to sledge the viewers over the head with his encyclopedic hockey geek knowledge of obscure stats and minor-league trivia.

Doc is overrated, period. He can't carry the microphone bag of Jim Hughson of the CBC. There are a few local guys, such as Randy Hahn in San Jose and Sam Rosen in New York, who are better than Emerick, too.

People just assume Emerick is the best because he's the voice of national games on NBC. Get Center Ice, and you'll find three or four guys better than Doc in your first week of game surfing.

F*ck the Saddledome. I'd like to burn the joint to the ground. Then I'd finish the job by playing Calgary's goal song, "Shot Down in Flames" by AC/DC. :)

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greggsand wrote:That Blues game tomorrow is a Must Win for STL.... :wink:
My next breath is a must-inhale, must-exhale ... ;)

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I think most of us agree the most compelling series in the West has become Chicago-Calgary. What's the most enthralling in the East?

Boston-Montreal is a joke, but the other three series have something to offer to non-partisans.

Philly-Pittsburgh is evenly matched, has stars on both sides and has developed plenty of nasty.

Washington-NYR has become a series again, as Varlamov has saved the Caps. Plus any series with Ovie is fun.

Carolina-NJ has flown under the radar, but it has featured some of the best, most evenly matched hockey of any series in the first round. Two OT games already.

I lean toward Philly-Pitt just because of the bad blood and intrastate rivalry. But there's a lot to offer in the other two series I mentioned.

What do you cats think?

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Blues are like 1 for 17 on the PP? Crazy...
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Luongo reminds me of Guigerre(sp) a few years back for Anaheim. Seems like the St Louis players feel the same way. Dude is a brick wall. Gotta lose that mullet-like haircut though lol
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Yeah, but Jiggy did his magic with Michelin Man-sized pads. :) Seriously, that guy is a fine goalie. Embarrassment of riches in the crease for Anaheim with Hiller and Jiggy.

Luongo is just a freak -- dude fills the net with his 6-3, 205 frame and has the quickness of a much smaller man.

Anybody else notice how quick Luongo's legs are when he's on his knees? The guy can just snap out his lower leg to make saves. Amazing for a cat who's 6-3 to be that quick.

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MizzouRah wrote:Blues are like 1 for 17 on the PP? Crazy...
One of the reasons they are where they are, it's supposed to be one of their strenghts but I must admit the PK unit of Johnson, Kesler, Mitchell, Ohlund and of course Luongo has a lot to do with the frustrated Blues.

I wanna gives Blues fans the benefit of a doubt but I am pretty sure there were a good number of disrespectful morons booing the Canadian anthem in game three. I kept saying to myself maybe they're just saying bloooos. :roll:
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They were saying Booooourns, like on The Simpsons :o
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pk500 wrote:I think most of us agree the most compelling series in the West has become Chicago-Calgary. What's the most enthralling in the East?

I lean toward Philly-Pitt just because of the bad blood and intrastate rivalry. But there's a lot to offer in the other two series I mentioned.

What do you cats think?
Absolutely. I call it actually the battle of Canadians instead of Pennsylvania with all the red Maple Leafs dudes there. It's not as nasty as CAL-CHI but they were some good solid hitting in game 3. During my predictions, I mentioned that I was more intrigued by the match ups in the East, and with the exception of MON-BOS all games are evenly matched.
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pk500 wrote: TSN's Pierre McGuire is a mediocre analyst in the booth, but there's no one better in the game from analyzing and reporting between the benches.
I am sure you've heard of him but Ray Ferraro does an excellent job between the benches and on the booth.
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I hate the twats between the benches and as Keith Jones says he would hate it as a player.
Who wants to hear some jackass pointing out your every fault calling you dumb or that was a stupid penalty, in the heat of the fight who wants to hear that and they can. Cant wait for a player to lose it and just take guy between the benches out, hopefully a butt end on the way by or just a straight punch would do.
Maybe then they will remember what it was like on the ice when they played if at all and most of them havnt.

Carry on.
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pk500 wrote: TSN's Pierre McGuire is a mediocre analyst in the booth, but there's no one better in the game from analyzing and reporting between the benches.
I am sure you've heard of him but Ray Ferraro does an excellent job between the benches and on the booth.
Of course I've heard of Chicken Parm! He was the Oilers' TV analyst from 2005-08, leaving after last season for the TSN gig. I think he's one of the top two or three best overall analysts in the game, along with McGuire and Drew Remenda in San Jose.

It's funny: CBC seems to have taken the "big network" approach that the American networks do with football. None of their top analysts are that hot stuff. Neither Crawford or Simpson offer me that much insight. Simpson is better than Crawford, but I don't think either can stand up to McGuire, Ferraro or Remenda.

Daryl Reaugh is excellent on VERSUS and Dallas Stars' games, as his wit is like a sword. But sometimes Razor focuses a bit too much on the comedy and not quite enough on the game. He's among the absolute elite when he strikes the right mix of both.

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Jimmydeicide wrote:I hate the twats between the benches and as Keith Jones says he would hate it as a player.
Who wants to hear some jackass pointing out your every fault calling you dumb or that was a stupid penalty, in the heat of the fight who wants to hear that and they can. Cant wait for a player to lose it and just take guy between the benches out, hopefully a butt end on the way by or just a straight punch would do.
Maybe then they will remember what it was like on the ice when they played if at all and most of them havnt.

Carry on.
True, but the telecasts aren't about the players or for the players: They're about the viewers. And between-the-benches analysis, especially when done by someone who is candid and knowledgeable like McGuire, is the biggest advancement in hockey telecasts since in-goal cameras. Seriously.

Good, ballsy analysts like McGuire and Ferraro take viewers inside the game like no one in the booth can. It makes for a much more entertaining and informative broadcast, and I don't really give a f*ck what the players or ex-players employed by the media like Keith Jones think.

Jonesy made himself look like a fool with that comment. He's a media member now, not a player, and his job is to provide the best broadcast, not snap at the hand that feeds him. That's about my only quibble with Jonesy -- it just seems like he's never let go of the fact that he's no longer on the ice.

It would be one thing if a pretty boy who never played or coached the game at the pro level stood between the benches and made those comments. But McGuire and Ferraro know and appreciate the game inside-out, so the players must respect that even if they don't like it.

Can you imagine how much better college football and NFL broadcasts would be if sideline reporters gave half the information that McGuire and Ferraro do from between the benches? That never will happen, because no NFL sideline reporters have any balls, especially since 80 percent of them are clueless broads who never played or know nothing about the game.

Team X is losing 21-0 at halftime. A sideline reporter's opening segment in the second half usually consists of: "I talked with Coach Jones of Team X at halftime, and he said the team needs to play better defense and execute better on offense. Back to you, Jim."

Wow, blow me away with that insightful analysis and intrepid reporting. Sad thing is, those kinds of sideline reports are delivered in EVERY f*cking NFL and NCAA football game and passed off as in-depth reporting.

Just take Erin Andrews, for example. If she was 6-2 and had a penis and a goatee, would anyone think she's any good as a sideline reporter? Do you ever seen any media critiques or blog posts about the quality of her work? Of course not -- you see tight shots of her ass, her cans in a tight sweater and vid caps of her about to inhale a hoagie as a phallic symbol.

That speaks volumes.

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I can see whats happening i dont need guy between the benches he should shut the f up as far as im concerned but i see your point.

I still hope for the day when he gets hit by a puck or smacked. Then we can hear about how much the puck hurts or how those little slashes feel if you can make it out thru the tears.

Id be ok with an x player doing it more than an x coach.
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pk500 wrote:
Jimmydeicide wrote:I hate the twats between the benches and as Keith Jones says he would hate it as a player.
Who wants to hear some jackass pointing out your every fault calling you dumb or that was a stupid penalty, in the heat of the fight who wants to hear that and they can. Cant wait for a player to lose it and just take guy between the benches out, hopefully a butt end on the way by or just a straight punch would do.
Maybe then they will remember what it was like on the ice when they played if at all and most of them havnt.

Carry on.
True, but the telecasts aren't about the players or for the players: They're about the viewers. And between-the-benches analysis, especially when done by someone who is candid and knowledgeable like McGuire, is the biggest advancement in hockey telecasts since in-goal cameras. Seriously.

Good, ballsy analysts like McGuire and Ferraro take viewers inside the game like no one in the booth can. It makes for a much more entertaining and informative broadcast, and I don't really give a f*ck what the players or ex-players employed by the media like Keith Jones think.

Jonesy made himself look like a fool with that comment. He's a media member now, not a player, and his job is to provide the best broadcast, not snap at the hand that feeds him. That's about my only quibble with Jonesy -- it just seems like he's never let go of the fact that he's no longer on the ice.

It would be one thing if a pretty boy who never played or coached the game at the pro level stood between the benches and made those comments. But McGuire and Ferraro know and appreciate the game inside-out, so the players must respect that even if they don't like it.

Can you imagine how much better college football and NFL broadcasts would be if sideline reporters gave half the information that McGuire and Ferraro do from between the benches? That never will happen, because no NFL sideline reporters have any balls, especially since 80 percent of them are clueless broads who never played or know nothing about the game.

Team X is losing 21-0 at halftime. A sideline reporter's opening segment in the second half usually consists of: "I talked with Coach Jones of Team X at halftime, and he said the team needs to play better defense and execute better on offense. Back to you, Jim."

Wow, blow me away with that insightful analysis and intrepid reporting. Sad thing is, those kinds of sideline reports are delivered in EVERY f*cking NFL and NCAA football game and passed off as in-depth reporting.

Just take Erin Andrews, for example. If she was 6-2 and had a penis and a goatee, would anyone think she's any good as a sideline reporter? Do you ever seen any media critiques or blog posts about the quality of her work? Of course not -- you see tight shots of her ass, her cans in a tight sweater and vid caps of her about to inhale a hoagie as a phallic symbol.

That speaks volumes.

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I Agree 100%. Steve Coates (who I know some do not like) does a nice job for the Flyers. There are times during the game that these guys give a great perspective from their location.

I have always loved the fact that hockey players are so accessible to interviews during the game. They have always done it...long before the "in dugout" or sideline interviews during baseball ad football games. Hell, you can see Simon Gagne get an assist at the end of a period and then literally a few seconds after the period ends there he is answering questions as if it were part of his job...which it is. Kudos to hockey players.
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Diablo25 wrote:I Agree 100%. Steve Coates (who I know some do not like) does a nice job for the Flyers. There are times during the game that these guys give a great perspective from their location.

I have always loved the fact that hockey players are so accessible to interviews during the game. They have always done it...long before the "in dugout" or sideline interviews during baseball ad football games. Hell, you can see Simon Gagne get an assist at the end of a period and then literally a few seconds after the period ends there he is answering questions as if it were part of his job...which it is. Kudos to hockey players.
Never liked Coatesy as a color guy, but he does a good job in between the benches. In-game interviews are pretty pointless IMO as the players (understandably) just spout cliches, but if just once or twice a period the commentator between the benches can make an astute comment that can't be perceived from the TV or the press box high above, it adds a lot to the broadcast.
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MizzouRah wrote:Blues are like 1 for 17 on the PP? Crazy...
One of the reasons they are where they are, it's supposed to be one of their strenghts but I must admit the PK unit of Johnson, Kesler, Mitchell, Ohlund and of course Luongo has a lot to do with the frustrated Blues.

I wanna gives Blues fans the benefit of a doubt but I am pretty sure there were a good number of disrespectful morons booing the Canadian anthem in game three. I kept saying to myself maybe they're just saying bloooos. :roll:
Yeah, that was bs... totally agree.

Should be a good one tonight.
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Philly should be up by 3 goals if it wasn't fir Fleury, someone has to wake up the Pens.

Sami Salo and Mats Sundin are out for the 'Nucks. Won't matter, I got my broom ready.
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10spro wrote:Philly should be up by 3 goals if it wasn't fir Fleury, someone has to wake up the Pens.

Sami Salo and Mats Sundin are out for the 'Nucks. Won't matter, I got my broom ready.
Definitely. Richards had a great 1st period. Now lets put the biscuit in the basket!
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