2007 NCAA Football Discussion

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:37 pm

Brando70 wrote:
bkrich83 wrote:
Brando70 wrote:If Kansas goes undefeated, I don't see how they can't play in the national title game. In fact, I think they would have to be the #1 team in the polls at that point, even if LSU wins out. Their strength of schedule would be a non-issue after wins over Mizzou and the Big 12 title game opponent.
As it stands now Kansas has a Strength of Schedule of 86. LSU is at 17 and Oregon at 3. How much is playing OU and Mizzou going to make up?

Just a side note. OU is at 65 and Mizzou is at 43.
I'm not trying to suggest that Oregon isn't an elite team and deserving of a high ranking. Kansas has definitely had an easier schedule. But I don't think a team from a BCS conference should be denied a spot in the championship game if it is the only undefeated BCS team left. What I wonder is whether the Harris voters and Coaches would rank KU #1 if they finish undefeated, which would probably give them enough juice in the BCS to go to the title game. To me, they should be the #1 team in that case even if they played a weaker schedule.

There's a lot of football left to play, so this is all academic right now.

I don't think they will be ranked #1 in either poll.

Is the goal to get the best two teams in the final game or the best two teams that are undefeated? I guess that's the question, what is the ultimate goal of the BCS.

I agree with you for the most part, but the gap in the SOS is so great, it's not as cut and dry as it normally would be imo.

jondiehl · Post by **jondiehl** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:03 pm

Looking at the updated BCS standings, the gap is smaller between #3 Kansas and #2 Oregon, than between LSU and Oregon.

This, with the voters still putting KU 4th in the polls behind Oklahoma. If KU beats Oklahoma, they'll at least be 3rd in both both polls, perhaps higher. If they finish undefeated as the Big 12 champ, I think they'll have enough BCS points to take the 2nd spot, even if voters make them 3rd.

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BCS Standings
Rk	Team	W-L	Harris	Coaches	CPU %	BCS
			Rk	Points	%	Rk	Points	%		Prev	Avg
1	LSU	     9-1	1	2742	.9793	1	1457	.9713	.9900	2	.980
2	Oregon	  8-1	2	2651	.9468	2	1407	.9380	.9300	3	.938
3	Kansas    10-0	4	2498	.8921	4	1344	.8960	.9400	4	.909
4	Oklahoma	9-1	3	2580	.9214	3	1366	.9107	.7300	5	.854
5	Missouri	9-1	6	2248	.8029	6	1194	.7960	.8300	6	.810

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:38 pm

It's nice to see 3 Big 12 teams at 3, 4, and 5.

.. and to see Missouri #5 is like a dream for me.. I assume Dan is all giddy as well...

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:09 am

MizzouRah wrote:It's nice to see 3 Big 12 teams at 3, 4, and 5.

.. and to see Missouri #5 is like a dream for me.. I assume Dan is all giddy as well...

I don't know about you guys, but I am tired of less deserving Big 12 teams getting in to the title game over other teams. Especially since they get handled every time in that game.

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:17 pm

tealboy03 wrote:
RobVarak wrote:That is easily the most gratifying Illinois win I've ever seen. There is nothing quite like silencing 111,000 OSU fans.

Way to stay classy at the end there, Buckeyes.

A perfectly awesome thing.

But bdunn, I hope you are enjoying the HELL out of the GA-AU game, because I'd be pulling my hair out right now...

...if I had any...

Georgia is playing very good Football right now. I can not remember a time when the Offense was rolling along like they are. In the past I when UGA had the ball I was wondering how they would get a first down just to keep their D off the field, now I am wondering how many plays it will take them to score.... On Saturday against a VERY GOOD AU defense, the Dawgs O looked unstopable.

A few weeks ago I was watching a game with my wife(not UGA) and there was a long TD pass.. I asked her, why don't we ever get those...... Now they seem like they are coming at a clip of 2-3 a game. For the first time since 1942 we have scored 40+ in 3 straight games. The bad part is we don't have the D anymore to go along with it. In the past I would tell my friend, I wish we had an offense to go along with our D... Then yesterday I told him, I wish we had a D to go along with our offense.... That sounds very strange.

Do you Know shon? Moreno is a special kind of player. Its been a long time since we have had a back like him. Georgia fans thought Danny Ware was going to be that back but it never happened. Kregg Lumpkin was the #2 back a few years ago behind Reggie Bush but Kregg never panned out either. He was a good player, but nothing close to Bush. I am not comparing Moreno to bush as they are not the same type of players. Bush had phenominal breakaway speed and thats one thing Knowshon lacks.

Knowshon is like David Pollack.... better than average physical talent but a motor that does not stop and a ton of heart.

This is the best I can ever remember Georgia playing. Rennie Curran(FR) is a tackling machine and has a nose for the ball. Our young OL is blowing guys off the ball. Our WRs are catching everything and Stafford is playing pretty well too despite trying to force things every now and then.

The best thing for Georgia now is for them and UT to win out. I don't think Georgia is better than LSU right now although I think they would play with them. If UGA wins out and so does UT, I think UGA gets an at large BCS game.

Since our loss to UK last year we have gone 11-2 with wins over UF, Va Tech, Ga Tech, Ok State, Alabama, AU x 2. Thats pretty impressive. Our only 2 losses are to UT and USC. I wish we could have a do over against USC.

Hope I am not sounding like an obnoxious fan, I am just really happy where our football team is at right now.

BD

tjung0831 · Post by **tjung0831** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:41 pm

bkrich83 wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:It's nice to see 3 Big 12 teams at 3, 4, and 5.

.. and to see Missouri #5 is like a dream for me.. I assume Dan is all giddy as well...
I don't know about you guys, but I am tired of less deserving Big 12 teams getting in to the title game over other teams. Especially since they get handled every time in that game.

Who's to say that Kansas or Mizzou would get handled in the championship? I sure as hell don't see Oregon handling them.. Kansas still has something to prove and they will get their chance but Mizzou even though they are ranked 5th could be the best team in college football. We'll see how it plays out..

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:27 pm

Hell yeah I'm giddy about KU. I know this kind of season is most likely a once in a life time occurance. I'm enjoying the heck out of it. Plus, when will KU football and basketball ever be ranked in the top 5 again at the same time? Crazy fun.

That said, I'm not all that optimistic about KU winning out against ISU, MU, and OU. That's a tall tall order. I kind of wish there wasn't a Big 12 Championship game....this year. In year's past, it's been fun to watch.

Honestly, and I say this without an agenda. I do think Mizzou is the better team comparing them against KU. Chase is a touch better than Ressing at QB. Daniel throws the deep ball with more accuracy and has better arm strength. Temple is a true RB (speed and agility), although McAnderson is one tough back, but can't carry the load all game long. There's no question Kaufman and Rucker are the better tight ends over Fine. Mizzou gets their tight ends more involved in the offense which I think is key. I do think the wide receivers are pretty similar in skill level. Both teams have tall receivers.

Looking at the defense, MU didn't look all that special early on in the season, but they have stepped it up over the last four or five games. They get a lot of pressure on the QB. KU continues to play well against the run, but they tend to give up the big play a bit too much on the deep ball.

I'm hoping it's a competetive game, with KU of course winning. But I don't think I'll be overly disappointed if we lose. Both teams will be playing on a big bowl game stage. I'm happy to see the Big 12 North get some recognition finally.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:11 pm

bkrich83 wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:It's nice to see 3 Big 12 teams at 3, 4, and 5.

.. and to see Missouri #5 is like a dream for me.. I assume Dan is all giddy as well...
I don't know about you guys, but I am tired of less deserving Big 12 teams getting in to the title game over other teams. Especially since they get handled every time in that game.

Every time huh?

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:23 pm

You guys live in MO but are KU fans?

It's just other side of the border, right?

KU alums?

tjung0831 · Post by **tjung0831** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:31 pm

wco81 wrote:You guys live in MO but are KU fans?

It's just other side of the border, right?

KU alums?

I'm a Tigers fan, have owned season tickets for 12 years. With that being said, even though i live in St. Louis, I spend a lot of time in the KC area for my job...so I pay alot of attention to KU as well as K-State. Not that i'm a big KU fan or anything but much like Mizzou, their fans have suffered through some bad football for a long long time. It's just nice to be on the upside of things this year...it's great for college football. If Mizzou can't get it done, i would want nothing more than Kansas to go all the way.
That Mizzou and KU game is going to be a huge recruiting war for both schools. The top players in Missouri rarely go to Mizzou or Kansas...it's been that way for years and just recently started to change. Mizzou just got a committment from a local St. Louis kid Blaine Gabbert who's the #4 ranked highschool QB in the nation right now. He had previously given a committment to Nebraska and just announced he would now be going to Mizzou this past saturday.

kevinpars · Post by **kevinpars** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:54 pm

Honestly, this is one year where i could care less who plays or who wins. My team sucks and the ACC is down, but the positive is that I can sit back and watch some great football games and just enjoy them.

jondiehl · Post by **jondiehl** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:47 pm

wco81 wrote:You guys live in MO but are KU fans?

It's just other side of the border, right?

KU alums?

Tiger fan, but lots of KU alums that are friends or that I work with.

Like tjung said, if Mizzou doesn't run the table, then I'd really like to see KU go undefeated.

Sorta like the Cubs/Cards rivalry... kinda friendly.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:59 pm

jondiehl wrote:
wco81 wrote:You guys live in MO but are KU fans?

It's just other side of the border, right?

KU alums?
Tiger fan, but lots of KU alums that are friends or that I work with.

Like tjung said, if Mizzou doesn't run the table, then I'd really like to see KU go undefeated.

Sorta like the Cubs/Cards rivalry... kinda friendly.

I'm with you. To have a seaon as special as ours and KU, IF they beat us, I'd like to see them finish out with a NC. I don't feel that way in basketball though.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:32 pm

MizzouRah wrote:
bkrich83 wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:It's nice to see 3 Big 12 teams at 3, 4, and 5.

.. and to see Missouri #5 is like a dream for me.. I assume Dan is all giddy as well...
I don't know about you guys, but I am tired of less deserving Big 12 teams getting in to the title game over other teams. Especially since they get handled every time in that game.
Every time huh?

2001, 2003, 2004. So yes. Every time they go over someone more deserving they get handled.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:40 am

bkrich83 wrote:
MizzouRah wrote:
bkrich83 wrote: I don't know about you guys, but I am tired of less deserving Big 12 teams getting in to the title game over other teams. Especially since they get handled every time in that game.
Every time huh?
2001, 2003, 2004. So yes. Every time they go over someone more deserving they get handled.

I think Notre Dame has been far and away the most undeserving BCS team last 5 years.

They are a f***in disgrace. Them and their disgusting deal with the $$$$ dudes of the NCAA.

Pure scum the lot of them.

tjung0831 · Post by **tjung0831** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:22 am

So much for Oregon not losing another game this year, I know their QB got hurt but they didn't look very good to me. They looked like another overrated Pac10 team to me. Going to be an interesting next couple of weeks for sure. Mizzou or Kansas possibly playing for a national championship....unreal.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:28 am

tjung0831 wrote:So much for Oregon not losing another game this year, I know their QB got hurt but they didn't look very good to me. They looked like another overrated Pac10 team to me. Going to be an interesting next couple of weeks for sure. Mizzou or Kansas possibly playing for a national championship....unreal.

So you give college quarterbacks the Tjung 10-minute treatment, too?

Dixon didn't even finish the first quarter. And when he was in the game, Oregon went 70 yards on seven plays in the first quarter for a score, led by Dixon's 39-yard run on a fourth-and-3.

Then Dixon moved Oregon 39 yards on four plays. The ensuing interception wasn't Dixon's fault. The ball clanged off the wide-open receiver's hands.

So, in the two full series Dixon played, he drove Oregon toward the end zone twice, scoring on a 39-yard run. Oregon had 183 yards on 19 plays when he was under center.

Yep, he sucks.

Come on, Tim. I know you're a Big 12 homer, but take off the rose-colored glasses. Dixon and Tebow are the best players in the nation this season.

Take care,
PK

tjung0831 · Post by **tjung0831** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:50 am

pk500 wrote:
tjung0831 wrote:So much for Oregon not losing another game this year, I know their QB got hurt but they didn't look very good to me. They looked like another overrated Pac10 team to me. Going to be an interesting next couple of weeks for sure. Mizzou or Kansas possibly playing for a national championship....unreal.
So you give college quarterbacks the Tjung 10-minute treatment, too?

Dixon didn't even finish the first quarter. And when he was in the game, Oregon went 70 yards on seven plays in the first quarter for a score, led by Dixon's 39-yard run on a fourth-and-3.

Then Dixon moved Oregon 39 yards on four plays. The ensuing interception wasn't Dixon's fault. The ball clanged off the wide-open receiver's hands.

So, in the two full series Dixon played, he drove Oregon toward the end zone twice, scoring on a 39-yard run. Oregon had 183 yards on 19 plays when he was under center.

Yep, he sucks.

Come on, Tim. I know you're a Big 12 homer, but take off the rose-colored glasses. Dixon and Tebow are the best players in the nation this season.

Take care,
PK

uh...I never said Dixon sucked!

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:04 am

I stand in apologetic shame: I thought I read "he didn't look good" when you really wrote "they didn't look good."

No way I'm going to edit my original post, either. I was a f*cking boob and will keep the original post there so people can put me in the virtual pillory and pelt me with rocks and garbage. I'm the village idiot.

I'm sorry!

Take care,
PK

bdunn13 · Post by **bdunn13** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:13 am

I was watching the game with my wife last night and I remember saying..... WOW, it took them(Oregon) two plays to get a first down instead of one.. the Arizona defense is stepping up. Of course thats when Dixon was playing.

Having a QB like Dixon leave the game effects the entire offense. When the D does not have to worry about the QB running, the DEs can collapse on the line during pass plays and what not. No longer do they really have to worry much about keeping contain or over rushing. During running plays, they no longer have to worry about the QB keeping the ball. They would have let Leaf run all he wanted too last night.

Sucks for Oregon, but injuries are unfortunately a part of sports.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:36 pm

Sucks for Oregon. Dixon was the heart and soul of that team, and it's amazing they were #2, when you factor they had lost Paysinger, Cameron Colvin and Jeremiah Johnson before last night. Every one of those guys will play on Sundays. Losing Dixon also would be too much to ask any team. Also looks like they lost Jonathon Stewart who's as good as any back in the country, and was a likely #1 draft choice.

Tough to call a team that lost their starting QB, their top 2 RB's and their top 2 WR's, not to mention most of their LB corps. overrated.

Nor can you call a team that was 8-1 while playing the #3 rated schedule in the nation overrated. Attrition caught up to them if anything.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:29 pm

Who would have thought at the beginning of year that one of the biggest college football games of the year would be Missouri vs. Kansas?

Wow! It's going to be a long long week.

bkrich83 · Post by **bkrich83** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:31 am

sportdan30 wrote:Who would have thought at the beginning of year that one of the biggest college football games of the year would be Missouri vs. Kansas?

Wow! It's going to be a long long week.

I could have seen Mizzou doing some damage before the year. Big Chase Daniel fan. But there's no way in hell I could have seen Kansas doing what they are doing.

I watched the Jayhawks for only the 2nd time today, that offense is a lot of fun to watch.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:16 pm

I find it peculiar that this AP column calls the Missouri-Kansas rivalry "fierce and bitter:"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21856649/

You'd never know it by reading this thread all season. All I've seen are Mizzou fans complimenting Kansas' miracle season, and vice-versa. Typical Midwestern courtesy. Lovely, but doesn't breed much animosity.

I'd love it if Mizzou and KU fans here removed your blouses this week and actually started posting some smack and predictions about the game, ripping your rival.

It's not a rivalry without a bit of hate. So let's see it! I'm sick of this f*cking polite, "Golly gee whiz, isn't this football season swell?" Midwestern attitude!

Seriously, start tossing the smack, KU and Mizzou fans! Let's see what you have. I need a reason to get worked up about this game, and so far I'm not feeling it at all like I would for a meaningful game between Ohio St.-Michigan, Florida-Florida St., Auburn-Alabama, Oklahoma-Texas or USC-UCLA.

Take care,
PK

tjung0831 · Post by **tjung0831** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:26 pm

pk500 wrote:I find it peculiar that this AP column calls the Missouri-Kansas rivalry "fierce and bitter:"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21856649/

You'd never know it by reading this thread all season. All I've seen are Mizzou fans complimenting Kansas' miracle season, and vice-versa. Typical Midwestern courtesy. Lovely, but doesn't breed much animosity.

I'd love it if Mizzou and KU fans here removed your blouses this week and actually started posting some smack and predictions about the game, ripping your rival.

It's not a rivalry without a bit of hate. So let's see it! I'm sick of this f*cking polite, "Golly gee whiz, isn't this football season swell?" Midwestern attitude!

Seriously, start tossing the smack, KU and Mizzou fans! Let's see what you have. I need a reason to get worked up about this game, and so far I'm not feeling it at all like I would for a meaningful game between Ohio St.-Michigan, Florida-Florida St., Auburn-Alabama, Oklahoma-Texas or USC-UCLA.

Take care,
PK

Kansas and their 700lb coach can go suck the big one.....GO TIGERS!!!!

Tim