OT: Global Warming - Real or Contrived?

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:20 pm

Today is the 16th anniversary of the epic blizzard that dumped 43 inches of snow on Syracuse. I remember it like it was yesterday. All that snow was GLORIOUS:

http://www.syracuse.com/poststandard/st ... xml&coll=1

Of course, global warming only started in the last eight years since Al Gore left political office, so it's impossible that much snow ever could fall in Syracuse during March again.

Take care,
PK

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 2:54 pm

pk500 wrote: Of course, global warming only started in the last eight years since Al Gore left political office, so it's impossible that much snow ever could fall in Syracuse during March again.

Take care,
PK

No they talked about it long before Gore was even known on the national scene.

At least 20 years.

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:14 pm

43 inches of snow? What the feck do you do with that?

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:16 pm

fsquid wrote:43 inches of snow? What the feck do you do with that?

Shovel, then ski, sled and snowmobile. More fun than should be legal.

Seriously, I rue the end of winter every year. Spring is the most horrible season of the year up here, hands down. Nasty, gray, muddy, dirty, rainy, sh*tty.

The only thing good about spring is the impending return of the Indianapolis 500 and the Stanley Cup Playoffs. March Madness is fun, too.

Take care,
PK

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:17 pm

wco81 wrote:
pk500 wrote: Of course, global warming only started in the last eight years since Al Gore left political office, so it's impossible that much snow ever could fall in Syracuse during March again.

Take care,
PK
No they talked about it long before Gore was even known on the national scene.

At least 20 years.

Sorry -- I forgot a smiley face is needed to add proper context for you.

Still, it's rather humorous that the biggest snowstorm in Syracuse history came during a time when the planet supposedly is turning into an Easy-Bake Oven.

Take care,
PK

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:21 pm

And there are also plenty of places in the last 10 years which have seen record high temperatures too.

Again, local climate conditions at any given time doesn't necessarily reflect global trends.

This thread started out with it's awfully cold here now. Nine pages later, the same fallacy continues.[/b]

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:30 pm

wco81 wrote:And there are also plenty of places in the last 10 years which have seen record high temperatures too.

Again, local climate conditions at any given time doesn't necessarily reflect global trends.

This thread started out with it's awfully cold here now. Nine pages later, the same fallacy continues.[/b]

It's not a fallacy...it's awfully cold here now. Every time they try to have a climate change/global warming/choose your next moniker for it summit somewhere, it snows. It freezes.

Maybe God is up there saying...'Buncha dumbasses...'

Post by **Jared** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:53 pm

We had near record highs in Philly this weekend. A few weeks ago, Texas had record high temperatures. Is God saying something there?

And to pre-empt possible comments, no, I don't take the above things to be evidence for global warming, just as I don't take the "it's cold in the winter" comments as evidence against it. It's global warming, so you have to look at temperature trends everywhere, and temperature trends during all seasons (not just the winter) to be able to fairly evaluate the claims.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:06 pm

The great fallacy is not, what in my opinion, is the fanatic religion known as global warming....Its that there is no debate.

http://climatedebatedaily.com/

Enjoy...Plenty of links on both sides.

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:15 pm

I'm cool with the global warming cats until they start telling me that they government needs to start mandating me to do something.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 4:16 pm

The temperature of one place at one time is just weather, and says nothing about climate, much less climate change, much less again global climate change.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 5:08 pm

fsquid wrote:I'm cool with the global warming cats until they start telling me that they government needs to start mandating me to do something.

Well said. Agreed 100 percent.

Everybody needs a cause, but when any cause is rammed down my throat by D.C. bureaucrats, well ... me no likey.

Take care,
PK

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:21 pm

pk500 wrote:Today is the 16th anniversary of the epic blizzard that dumped 43 inches of snow on Syracuse. I remember it like it was yesterday. All that snow was GLORIOUS:

http://www.syracuse.com/poststandard/st ... xml&coll=1

I would love to see something like that in person, but we'd have to move many miles north if the last few years of very-low snowfall in DE continue into the future.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:24 pm

Feanor wrote:
pk500 wrote:Today is the 16th anniversary of the epic blizzard that dumped 43 inches of snow on Syracuse. I remember it like it was yesterday. All that snow was GLORIOUS:

http://www.syracuse.com/poststandard/st ... xml&coll=1
I would love to see something like that in person, .

Why?....Blizzards are not a good thing. They are f***in disasters.

Im not moving further south east to enjoy a glorious hurricane.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:45 pm

Estimates vary but the costs of trying to curb GHG emissions will exact a toll on GDP.

So companies will pass those costs to consumers, to the extent they have pricing power or are allowed to, in the case of electric utilities which usually have to get rate increases approved.

The debate is about how much of those costs nations and the world in general are willing to bear and the costs they will bear if they do nothing.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:47 pm

XXXIV wrote:Why?....Blizzards are not a good thing. They are f***in disasters.

Cause pk said it was epic and glorious.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:53 pm

Feanor wrote:
XXXIV wrote:Why?....Blizzards are not a good thing. They are f***in disasters.
Cause pk said it was epic and glorious.

...You have me there

A blizzard isnt as bad as a hurricane and usually no where near as bad...but trust me...you dont want one. They dont use the emergency broadcast system for good stuff.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:57 pm

wco81 wrote:
The debate is about how much of those costs nations and the world in general are willing to bear and the costs they will bear if they do nothing.

There is never a good time ...but ...Now is definately not the time to pay for fighting flying spaghetti monsters.

BTW...Who the f*** is going to collect from China? You know . The kings of dirt. Home of the smog olympics.

Just more of the same political bullshit.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:11 pm

pk500 wrote:
fsquid wrote:43 inches of snow? What the feck do you do with that?
Shovel, then ski, sled and snowmobile. More fun than should be legal.

Seriously, I rue the end of winter every year. Spring is the most horrible season of the year up here, hands down. Nasty, gray, muddy, dirty, rainy, sh*tty.

The only thing good about spring is the impending return of the Indianapolis 500 and the Stanley Cup Playoffs. March Madness is fun, too.

Take care,
PK

We topped 200 inches here in the UP and I'm ready to take winter out and put a bullet in its head for good. It's supposed to be 40 tomorrow and I'm about ready to take my pants off and walk around the town in celebration.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:35 pm

XXXIV wrote:A blizzard isnt as bad as a hurricane and usually no where near as bad...but trust me...you dont want one. They dont use the emergency broadcast system for good stuff.

That's the only time I ever recall the EBS being used for a snowstorm here in the 'Cuse, and trust me, we get our share of whoppers. The 'Cuse was the snowiest major metropolitan area in North America this year. We usually finish second to Quebec City, but we beat those Frenchies this year.

Snowstorms are epic and glorious.

Take care,
PK

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 8:38 pm

Brando70 wrote:We topped 200 inches here in the UP and I'm ready to take winter out and put a bullet in its head for good. It's supposed to be 40 tomorrow and I'm about ready to take my pants off and walk around the town in celebration.

That's serious snow. Our all-time record is 192 inches. I think we've had about 148 so far this winter.

But there's a town called Redfield about 40 miles northeast of here, in the lake-effect snow belt, that annually tops 300. Amazing what the Lake Ontario snow machine can do.

Take care,
PK

greggsand · Post by **greggsand** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:07 pm

You guys can keep all that snow. Winter in L.A. = Partly Cloudy...

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 9:26 pm

greggsand wrote:You guys can keep all that snow. Winter in L.A. = Partly Cloudy...

Sarasota, Florida = Sunny 78 deg and tomorrow will be Sunny and in the low 80's.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 10:26 pm

Rodster wrote:
greggsand wrote:You guys can keep all that snow. Winter in L.A. = Partly Cloudy...
Sarasota, Florida = Sunny 78 deg and tomorrow will be Sunny and in the low 80's.

How's the skiing? Snow, not water.

I'll be on the slopes by 10 a.m. tomorrow with my son. Mid-40s, spring skiing!

Take care,
PK

Rodster · Post by **Rodster** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:12 pm

pk500 wrote:
Rodster wrote:
greggsand wrote:You guys can keep all that snow. Winter in L.A. = Partly Cloudy...
Sarasota, Florida = Sunny 78 deg and tomorrow will be Sunny and in the low 80's.
How's the skiing? Snow, not water.

I'll be on the slopes by 10 a.m. tomorrow with my son. Mid-40s, spring skiing!

Take care,
PK

I'll be at the ol Tiki bar tomorrow.