XBox One AND PS4 Discussion

[dbdynsty25]

It's taken me a couple days, but I've grown to like the simple, seamless, and responsive layout of the PS4 UI. Yeah, it's not as "sexy" as the Xbox One UI, as it's a gaming console first and foremost, and I don't think there's any question about that after playing it for a few days.

Calling the UI ok because the machine is a gaming first system is at best an excuse and frankly makes no sense. The forced downloads / installs while you can play (a severely limited game) IMO were not portrayed pre-launch properly. The UI is confusing at times, why does it auto download a patch but not install it? Why do I need to go to share something before I can set up my sharing accounts? Some of the decision are curious at best.

I really am enjoying the PS4 and shockingly Madden (although not as much as Terry) but it's ok to enjoy something and still point out its weaknesses.

Your constant implication that the Xbox One, something no one has seen yet, is not a gaming console "first" is just that an assumption. What is the XB1 has a really slick interface that also makes it really easy to play games? What will you say then?

Wow that was an angry post.

[Rodster]

I sort of agree with Sports Dan. The PS4 UI in a weird sort of way is not that hard to figure out. When db mentioned how the PS4 treats its games like apps that's how I approached the UI. I was able to quit resogun (great game btw) and close the app. I also turned off all the auto download crap. At least Sony lets you turn on and off the PS4 via the controller.

The audio feedback from the controller is a nice touch and the DS4 is a vast improvement over the DS3. Part of dealing with the PS4 UI is figuring out where they put stuff.

With that said I expect the XONE UI to be more robust and streamlined because MS is a software company first.

[sportdan30]

It's taken me a couple days, but I've grown to like the simple, seamless, and responsive layout of the PS4 UI. Yeah, it's not as "sexy" as the Xbox One UI, as it's a gaming console first and foremost, and I don't think there's any question about that after playing it for a few days.

Calling the UI ok because the machine is a gaming first system is at best an excuse and frankly makes no sense. The forced downloads / installs while you can play (a severely limited game) IMO were not portrayed pre-launch properly. The UI is confusing at times, why does it auto download a patch but not install it? Why do I need to go to share something before I can set up my sharing accounts? Some of the decision are curious at best.

I really am enjoying the PS4 and shockingly Madden (although not as much as Terry) but it's ok to enjoy something and still point out its weaknesses.

Your constant implication that the Xbox One, something no one has seen yet, is not a gaming console "first" is just that an assumption. What is the XB1 has a really slick interface that also makes it really easy to play games? What will you say then?

Wow that was an angry post.

Yeah, I think I've been more than fair in expressing my pros and cons of the PS4. I certainly haven't been all rah rah about the UI and the system itself. If you don't believe me, please go back and read my last several posts. If anything, I'm saying the PS4 is strictly a game machine first, entertainment second. I find the Xbox One to be an entertainment hub/game console split. It's all a matter of preference. And as I said, I'll eventually own both, so I'm not taking one side or the other. I'm really not wanting to get in to a console war with you Danimal, but you seem to want to for whatever reason.

[RobVarak]

I think most of us have made our decisions, at least for now. But the guys at Engadget really did a fine job on this PS4 v. XB1 breakdown:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/18/xbox ... fferences/

Worth a look if you're on the fence or waiting a bit to make the call.

[Danimal]

It's taken me a couple days, but I've grown to like the simple, seamless, and responsive layout of the PS4 UI. Yeah, it's not as "sexy" as the Xbox One UI, as it's a gaming console first and foremost, and I don't think there's any question about that after playing it for a few days.

Calling the UI ok because the machine is a gaming first system is at best an excuse and frankly makes no sense. The forced downloads / installs while you can play (a severely limited game) IMO were not portrayed pre-launch properly. The UI is confusing at times, why does it auto download a patch but not install it? Why do I need to go to share something before I can set up my sharing accounts? Some of the decision are curious at best.

I really am enjoying the PS4 and shockingly Madden (although not as much as Terry) but it's ok to enjoy something and still point out its weaknesses.

Your constant implication that the Xbox One, something no one has seen yet, is not a gaming console "first" is just that an assumption. What is the XB1 has a really slick interface that also makes it really easy to play games? What will you say then?

Wow that was an angry post.

Coming from you that's actually funny.

[Feanor]

If any of you guys are going to be streaming PS4 games on Twitch post in here. I just signed up for an account there would like to live vicariously.

Xbox One games, too, assuming it also does twitch streaming at launch.

[Danimal]

Yeah, I think I've been more than fair in expressing my pros and cons of the PS4. I certainly haven't been all rah rah about the UI and the system itself. If you don't believe me, please go back and read my last several posts. If anything, I'm saying the PS4 is strictly a game machine first, entertainment second. I find the Xbox One to be an entertainment hub/game console split. It's all a matter of preference. And as I said, I'll eventually own both, so I'm not taking one side or the other. I'm really not wanting to get in to a console war with you Danimal, but you seem to want to for whatever reason.

Yes, I bought a PS4 and Xbox 1 dropping over a grand just so I could get in a console war. Sorry if my post came off as an attack on you.

You know the Xbox UI could totally suck or the hardware could have issues or the Kinect interface may cripple it. I'm just not going to label it before I try it. Maybe it will be exactly what you say, I'm hoping it will just be a kick ass machine that I can enjoy.

You guys slay me with this stuff though. If I post about PC gaming someone gets mad, if I post about the Xbox or Sony console someone gets mad. You guys need to make up your mind which camp I'm in so I know... until then I'll keep playing every machine and posting what I think about all of them.

Next time I post an opinion I'll be sure not to quote anyone, wouldn't want peoples feelings getting hurt.

[Diablo25]

Broke down and got COD Ghosts yesterday simply because I love shooters and 2 good buds of mine, who live in. FL, have it and I love gaming with them. I jumped into the MP mode and REALLY had a great time. For the record, I love BF way more than the COD series but something seemed to click for me online last night and I had a ball. I also played about and hour of the campaign and it's typical over the top COD action BUT very entertaining. The game is obviously very pretty so overall I think I'll get some good mileage out of the game.

[webdanzer]

Broke down and got COD Ghosts yesterday simply because I love shooters and 2 good buds of mine, who live in. FL, have it and I love gaming with them. I jumped into the MP mode and REALLY had a great time. For the record, I love BF way more than the COD series but something seemed to click for me online last night and I had a ball. I also played about and hour of the campaign and it's typical over the top COD action BUT very entertaining. The game is obviously very pretty so overall I think I'll get some good mileage out of the game.

I'm shocked at how much I like the controller for COD on the PS4. I thought shooters were a chore on the old Dual Shock, but this feels really, really good! Tempted to pick up BF too, now, but I hear there are still a lot of issues with the PS4 version of that one, so I may hold off for a while.

[Diablo25]

Well, I am pissed. For some reason the buttons on my DualShock 4 won't work. Everything else (sticks, D Pad, PS button, etc.) works fine but the triangle, X, O and square are unresponsive. So much for the great night of gaming I had planned. Fn pissed. Not sure what to do. Contact Amazon, Sony?

[webdanzer]

I think most of us have made our decisions, at least for now. But the guys at Engadget really did a fine job on this PS4 v. XB1 breakdown:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/18/xbox ... fferences/

Worth a look if you're on the fence or waiting a bit to make the call.

I think the article downplays the potential hardware advantage of the PS4, as well as the more attractive price point (Burying it as a consolation prize for not having a camera! )

But it's too soon to tell if the hardware potential will be realized. Really depends on what unfolds:

From the Anandtech dude: (Anand Shimpi)

Microsoft runs its cores at a slightly higher speed, but the maths works out to Sony having about a 40% peak potential graphics performance advantage.

The real question is whether this translates into a substantially better gaming experience.

Typically developers building one game for multiple platforms target the lower performing one, and may offer some additional perks to the faster one - smoother frame rates, slightly improved visuals.

I suspect that's what will happen this generation. At worst you'll see parity between the two consoles, but at best you'll see developers give PS4 versions of cross-platform games a slight edge.

Where things get really interesting is what happens if a developer chooses to develop exclusively for the PS4 and go all out.

Here's where Microsoft believes its other strengths - Xbox Live, developer relations, the Kinect sensor - will give it the advantage. Microsoft is basically counting on everything else being so good that developers would rather give it their exclusives.

Sony appears to have built the faster gaming machine, while Microsoft has built a system that might appeal to a broader audience and perhaps consume less power.

There are strengths in both platforms - anyone hoping for a clean sweep will likely be disappointed.

[webdanzer]

Well, I am pissed. For some reason the buttons on my DualShock 4 won't work. Everything else (sticks, D Pad, PS button, etc.) works fine but the triangle, X, O and square are unresponsive. So much for the great night of gaming I had planned. Fn pissed. Not sure what to do. Contact Amazon, Sony?

That sucks. I'm waiting for the rubber on mine to start peeling off. My kids murder the sticks when they play...

[XXXIV]

I think most of us have made our decisions, at least for now. But the guys at Engadget really did a fine job on this PS4 v. XB1 breakdown:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/18/xbox ... fferences/

Worth a look if you're on the fence or waiting a bit to make the call.

Cool.

The pull is there. It would be fun to join the party. I keep reading this fool thread.

Must stay on fence! For the next 10 months til NHL 15 comes out and I see where the Dragons play. That is the baseline for what matters to me. Online friends play.

I can do this! I am strong enough! I need the money for IMPORTANT things! Like car payments and mortgage payments.

I can do this???? ...Who the f am I kidding? I will never make it that long. I will wind up with both. That was in the end a disaster for me this time around. What a waste.

I hate you guys....

[XXXIV]

I think the article downplays the potential hardware advantage of the PS4,

Good in theory but how does that work in reality when most games are multi console.

Didnt workfor the first Xbox vs the inferior Ps2 and didnt work the PS3 vs the 360.

Seems like they make the games for the "lesser" system then port em to the "powerful" system.

[dbdynsty25]

I think the article downplays the potential hardware advantage of the PS4,

Good in theory but how does that work in reality when most games are multi console.

Didnt workfor the first Xbox vs the inferior Ps2 and didnt work the PS3 vs the 360.

Seems like they make the games for the "lesser" system then port em to the "powerful" system.

The 360 was easier to program for, so the games were superior. It really had nothing to do with which was more powerful. In this case, all things are essentially equal in terms of programming games. Teh video card advantage of the PS4 is no small advantage. We'll see if it's utilized. So far, the multi-platform games have been slightly better on the PS4.

[XXXIV]

So far, the multi-platform games have been slightly better on the PS4.

Dont take this the wrong way but I gotta ask. How do you know that?

oh and btw.....was the ps2 easier to program for or was it just cheaper to do it that way??

[webdanzer]

I think the article downplays the potential hardware advantage of the PS4,

Good in theory but how does that work in reality when most games are multi console.

Didnt workfor the first Xbox vs the inferior Ps2 and didnt work the PS3 vs the 360.

Seems like they make the games for the "lesser" system then port em to the "powerful" system.

Generally true, yes. Did you read the rest of my post before quoting? Mostly this could equate to a small advantage in most multi platform titles, with perhaps a few knock your socks off exclusives.

[XXXIV]

Did you read the rest of my post before quoting? .

f*** no!

From reading this thread I thought we could just pick and choose.

[dbdynsty25]

So far, the multi-platform games have been slightly better on the PS4.

Dont take this the wrong way but I gotta ask. How do you know that?

oh and btw.....was the ps2 easier to program for or was it just cheaper to do it that way??

Haven't you been reading the comparisons on the gaming sites? COD and BF4 in particular are running at 720p on the One and 1080p and 900p respectively on the PS4. Also ACIV:BF appears to look better via screenshots and comparison videos as well. So most sites are giving the slight advantage to the PS4.

[XXXIV]

Haven't you been reading the comparisons on the gaming sites? COD and BF4 in particular are running at 720p on the One and 1080p and 900p respectively on the PS4. Also ACIV:BF appears to look better via screenshots and comparison videos as well. So most sites are giving the slight advantage to the PS4.

Ahhhhh sites. I see.

Oh and see above post.

[webdanzer]

So far, the multi-platform games have been slightly better on the PS4.

Dont take this the wrong way but I gotta ask. How do you know that?

oh and btw.....was the ps2 easier to program for or was it just cheaper to do it that way??

Haven't you been reading the comparisons on the gaming sites? COD and BF4 in particular are running at 720p on the One and 1080p and 900p respectively on the PS4. Also ACIV:BF appears to look better via screenshots and comparison videos as well. So most sites are giving the slight advantage to the PS4.

Here's one comparison video:

[XXXIV]

That does look better on the ps4.

Now is that way with all games? EA sports games for example? They are the kings of lazy or as they put it "console agnostic".

[RobVarak]

This thread is just sad. I remember when we were young. Our console war threads used to be epic, hate-filled maelstroms! This is like a bunch of suburban comb-overs arguing over the fence about which brand of lawn mower to buy or when it's too late in the year to wear the lighter shade of Dockers.

I'm mortified at the thought that we are inevitably going to end up in our respective retirement communities gumming our General Tso's and trading ever less-vitriolic posts about the PS8 v XboxWhatever...

(Cue "The Living Years")

[XXXIV]

This thread is just sad. I remember when we were young. Our console war threads used to be epic, hate-filled maelstroms! This is like a bunch of suburban comb-overs arguing over the fence about which brand of lawn mower to buy or when it's too late in the year to wear the lighter shade of Dockers.

I'm mortified at the thought that we are inevitably going to end up in our respective retirement communities gumming our General Tso's and trading ever less-vitriolic posts about the PS8 v XboxWhatever...

(Cue "The Living Years")

Im almost there as it is. For the first time in two decades I didnt buy Madden. I didnt even have to think about it. Im done with that garbage. The writing is on the wall.

Looking ahead. We wont be able to even hold that ps8 controller that most likely will still not be adequate for a racing game.

[webdanzer]

This thread is just sad. I remember when we were young. Our console war threads used to be epic, hate-filled maelstroms! This is like a bunch of suburban comb-overs arguing over the fence about which brand of lawn mower to buy or when it's too late in the year to wear the lighter shade of Dockers.

I'm mortified at the thought that we are inevitably going to end up in our respective retirement communities gumming our General Tso's and trading ever less-vitriolic posts about the PS8 v XboxWhatever...

(Cue "The Living Years")

No, only Playstation users will be around then. Somewhere around Xbox 4 or so MS will have invented a way for the system to be powered by the user's own life force --Just a smidge each day syphoned off to Redmond to keep your system 'online'!-- and the Xbots will have all gladly signed up for it!