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JRod wrote:I read a story about I think the Houston Chronicle about how they committed resources to investigative journalism when others were shying away from it. They broke some huge stories and increased readership because of it.
The big question is did the Chronicle increase readership enough to generate more ad sales or higher rates for existing ads? Selling 1,000 more copies per day is barely going to make a dent in the bottom line, as subscriptions generate a small portion of newspapers' operating expenses.
JRod wrote:If you want people to read your newspaper you have to make it so people want to read it. Now some papers may take the TV news lead and offer focused opinion-news with a bias towards specific targeting towards a section of the population. That model has worked on TV, and it was the model of newspapers through out time. In communities there might have been numerous papers covering different slants and focusing on different populations. That type of newspaper will appeal to a certain type of person but I don't know if that's the future of the market.
Might not be, but that's not the model to which I refer. I think more newspapers could follow the lead of Newsweek, which shifted its editorial focus last year toward opinion (biased by nature) and objective analysis of the news and future trends because its editors and management realized there was no way a weekly news magazine could be relevant -- or solvent -- in today's hyper-fluid media cycle. I haven't seen anything published about whether that model is working financially for Newsweek, but I think the magazine is a more interesting read now than it was a year ago.
JRod wrote:If newspapers do the same thing and expect that will success, that's a plan to fail. I don't know what the solution is, but newspapers were a medium to get news to the people. That model was broken apart by the internet and the news organizations only have themselves to blame for not adapting.
Damn straight.
JRod wrote:For news, I think the iPad is the best thing that could happen to a devastated industry. It offers the POTENTIAL for news to do something innovative.
But what's innovative about the iPad and the news? What can the iPad do that a laptop or smart phone can't other than provide a larger screen for viewing than a smart phone and be slightly more portable than a laptop?

That's my problem with the iPad. Many of its proponents are preaching that it's a device that's going to revolutionize publishing. I disagree. It's a vessel that offers another way to provide similar packaging to what already exists on the Internet.

The iPod and iTunes were the first device and commercial medium to bring legal MP3's to the masses, causing the rapid decline of the music sales industry. The Internet already has brought portable digital news to the masses through computers and smart phones and precipitated the decline of the newspaper industry. The iPad is just another vessel.

Honestly, I don't see how people are suddenly going to pay for newspapers on an iPad when they can get them for free, legally, now on their laptops or smart phones. That horse already has left the barn.
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iPod was built in part by piracy. It was easy to get a lot of music for free.

Or if you had a lot of CDs, at least you had a library you could load on it.

I don't know what the situation with book piracy is but it's a pain scanning in books.

Not as easy to get free content -- sure there are books in the public domain but it seems to be limited.

Apple should not bank on eBooks alone making this thing a hit.
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I posted a long post about publishing and newspapers and their failings only to lose it when I tried to post when my internet connection went down.

Suffice it to say that i don't like to see people lose their jobs, but when an industry fails because they continue to make the same mistakes and lack innovation, then they deserve to fail. I used to get the Atlanta Journal Constitution but cancelled after yet another round of layoffs. When a paper gets rid of local reporters and replaces local news with wire stories how is that supposed to keep customers? If a paper can't be timely then at least be something other than an imitation of USA Today. Rather than try to provide something different they tried to get by on less.

And why should people continue to spend money on the NY Times when it has twice the number of spelling errors and grammatical errors that it used to contain? It is not my problem that they have a smaller staff of copy editors. Why pay top dollar for a lesser product?

And don't get me started on publishing. Hardbacks fall apart after the second reading. The paper is little better than newsprint. Books contain more proofing errors and editing standards have dropped. And writers, who get about 15% of the sale, are expected to promote their own book. What exactly are publishers doing?

Publishers want to kill ebooks. But nothing they do is going to bring back hardback sales. All they are doing is pissing off readers like me who have been happily spending a lot of money on ebooks for the convenience and for the ability to increase the font size. But will I pay the same price for an ebook when I could go to Target and buy the hardback at the same price? Hell no. I will go back to the library or to the second hand store - and so will a lot of readers.

I love ebooks. But they are just text. And they are text I don't really own. They come with a TOS and DRM and I can't lend them to a friend without being called a pirate. And I feel ripped off when I see an ebook priced at or above what it would cost to buy the real book.
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kevinpars wrote:I love ebooks. But they are just text. And they are text I don't really own. They come with a TOS and DRM and I can't lend them to a friend without being called a pirate. And I feel ripped off when I see an ebook priced at or above what it would cost to buy the real book.
That I agree with. I think publishers would be wise to offer some type of cross-promotion for e- and print version of their books -- like buy the hardcover and get the e-version for free, the way many Blu-Rays now come with digital copies you can use on portable devices.
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And I am not adverse to books over 9.99 - for example I bought "Gotham" the 1000 page book about NY on the Kindle even though i own it in print. But it is just too small print and too heavy and big to be practical.

I guess what really bugged me in this whole thing was seeing the Steve Jobs interview with Walt Mossberg where he so smugly implies that the price of books on the IPad and the Kindle will be the same - as if he knows something. Even though I own a Kindle it is pretty hard to see Amazon as a good guy company but it got me riled up.

It is kind of when Sony gets all smug about the PS3 and makes Microsoft seem like the reasonable company. I know it is a lot more complicated than that...

But it does seem like Apple is making a lot of enemies. Their commercials targeting Microsoft, the whole Flash thing with the comments Jobs made about Adobe. Google and Apple seem to be at odds and now Amazon is at odds with Apple. At some point there is going to be a backlash. With Job's health issues he will probably be safely retired, but he may leave his company to pick up the pieces.

Most of the things I like about the Iphone are the third party apps. If i had to live in a closed Apple system it would not be worth the ride. For example, if the (most likely untrue) rumors about Apple going with Bing and dropping Google were true that would be a big negative.
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kevinpars wrote:But it does seem like Apple is making a lot of enemies. Their commercials targeting Microsoft
I've owned and used Apple products including Macs but I won't buy another one, just for that reason, the "holier than thou, our sh*t doesn't stink mantra". Apple sells nice products, it's the company or should I say the select individuals running it and their fanbase that perpetuates their behavior where my problem lies.
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wco81 wrote:iPod was built in part by piracy. It was easy to get a lot of music for free.
It still is. :)
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kevinpars wrote:And I am not adverse to books over 9.99 - for example I bought "Gotham" the 1000 page book about NY on the Kindle even though i own it in print. But it is just too small print and too heavy and big to be practical.
Funny you mention Gotham. I worked on that book when I worked at OUP. You could kill a puma with the hardcover!
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kevinpars wrote:And I am not adverse to books over 9.99 - for example I bought "Gotham" the 1000 page book about NY on the Kindle even though i own it in print. But it is just too small print and too heavy and big to be practical.

I guess what really bugged me in this whole thing was seeing the Steve Jobs interview with Walt Mossberg where he so smugly implies that the price of books on the IPad and the Kindle will be the same - as if he knows something. Even though I own a Kindle it is pretty hard to see Amazon as a good guy company but it got me riled up.

It is kind of when Sony gets all smug about the PS3 and makes Microsoft seem like the reasonable company. I know it is a lot more complicated than that...

But it does seem like Apple is making a lot of enemies. Their commercials targeting Microsoft, the whole Flash thing with the comments Jobs made about Adobe. Google and Apple seem to be at odds and now Amazon is at odds with Apple. At some point there is going to be a backlash. With Job's health issues he will probably be safely retired, but he may leave his company to pick up the pieces.

Most of the things I like about the Iphone are the third party apps. If i had to live in a closed Apple system it would not be worth the ride. For example, if the (most likely untrue) rumors about Apple going with Bing and dropping Google were true that would be a big negative.
What is Apple supposed to do? This isn't a defense of Apple more that this is a business and as businesses go, Apple has a track record of their customers being happy.

But Apple doesn't live in a closed bubble anymore, the iPhone has serious competition with Google. So why would Apple want to continue to use a competitors service? That's a business call, I think that any business would consider dropping a competitor.

As for Amazon pricing, they set the market prices much like the Xbox 360 set 59.99 games. Sony just followed that lead and charged 59.99 games as well.

This is a business and while I don't like how companies seem to control the market, competitors are free to develop a superior product. When someone does consumers usually start to make the switch.

My problem with eBooks is that I'm paying a set price for a bunch of digital books that aren't taking up retail space and have minimal production costs. Instead what I see, is that eBooks are trying to maintain the same level of profits as book publishers made with the hardback, brick and mortar stores.
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The embargo has been lifted, and reviews are starting to come in on the Ipad. Here's one from the NY Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/01/techn ... pogue.html
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Here's a good site that gives a summary of several different reviews:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/193104/a ... re_in.html
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I am sticking to the iphone.
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Heard one reviewer got 12 hours of video running on it. Amazing if true.

Andy Inhatko of the Chicago Sun-Times was doing a video demo and saying how fast it was and it never crashes. But iBooks crashed on him.

Without multitasking, it should be fast and less prone to crashes than PCs. However, saying it never crashes is setting the expectation too high.

If it plays back just about any video without stuttering or plays games designed for the larger screen smoothly, with battery life as good as advertised, it would be a good start.
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If the early review were bad I was going to stroll down there and mess about with it than see what happens in a few months. Now it looks like I'll be posting from it Saturday morning.

There's some apps already on iTunes that look good. I'm a bit of a news reader and other than the Denver Post and the NYT it's hard to find a lot of papers here in Denver. I'd like to see papers like the Guardian, Financial Times, LA Times take a swipe at this. And then there's magazines...

But one potential downside that I don't think even Apple has considered is let's say most magazines go the iPad route - that's a lot of apps to weed through. If you have say 3-5 newspaper apps and 5-10 magazines the user experience can vary. I think Apple should have created the iNewstand like the iBookstore, where you have one central location to get newspapers or magazines instead of weeding through a bunch of apps.
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By the way, anyone pre-order one or planning on it? If so please give impressions. I am "considering" getting one but still on the "no go" side of the fence.
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If Apple approves the iPad version of the Kindle app. then you should be able to get any eBook available. I think Barnes and Noble is also updating their eBook app. for the iPad too.

Question is whether there are complaints about eye strain vs. e-Ink. But if you read for 10 hours or so, you have to recharge it.

Do people need to read for more than 10 hour stretches at a time?
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Diablo25 wrote:By the way, anyone pre-order one or planning on it? If so please give impressions. I am "considering" getting one but still on the "no go" side of the fence.
If there was a camera for skyping, I would strongly consider selling my Macbook for a Ipad. Without it, I'm still very much on the fence and leaning on waiting for the second generation.
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wco81 wrote:Question is whether there are complaints about eye strain vs. e-Ink.
To me this is the #1 issue and not even for the eye strain. e-Ink just looks incredible and is actually easier to read for these 43 year old eyes then a normal book.

I don't know when I think about the e-readers market, I don't think young people. I just don't see the iPad as a viable replacement for a dedicated eReader.
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Nice, fairly in depth and unbiased PC Mag review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Luj263H_56A
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They also said that it's heavier than dedicated eBook readers so not as easy to hold up like a book if you're say lying in bed.

Feels more like a hardcover than a paperback.


I agree about the camera. Heard that there's no non-awkward way to hold the iPad and video chat but looks like there will be a lot of stands and so on.

Plus, you want a camera in the back because there are good photo apps. already (which would no doubt have been updated for the iPad if it had a camera) and the processor sounds like it's capable of smooth video capture.

USB is nice to have but I don't see Apple doing it when they can make peripheral makers use the dock connector and make peripherals exclusively for iPhone/iPad.

Flash, looks like a lot of web sites are already making non-Flash, iPad-friendly pages or putting out apps. to stream video, such as ABC and supposedly Netflix. I've been using the ClickToFlash plugin so it's possible to surf without Flash.
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sportdan30 wrote:Nice, fairly in depth and unbiased PC Mag review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Luj263H_56A
Looks cool as hell...I still just don't see how it fits into my life. My MacBook is significantly more powerful at about the same size, and my phone does everything that thing does plus a hellova lot more. So Apple trying to make me think it fits between those two devices is just silly to me. But alas, it'll still sell like hot cakes since it's got an Apple logo on the back.

Finally a gadget that I actually won't go buy as soon as it comes out. I guess I'm getting soft in my old age. :)
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dbdynsty25 wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:Nice, fairly in depth and unbiased PC Mag review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Luj263H_56A
Looks cool as hell...I still just don't see how it fits into my life. My MacBook is significantly more powerful at about the same size, and my phone does everything that thing does plus a hellova lot more. So Apple trying to make me think it fits between those two devices is just silly to me. But alas, it'll still sell like hot cakes since it's got an Apple logo on the back.

Finally a gadget that I actually won't go buy as soon as it comes out. I guess I'm getting soft in my old age. :)
Yes, yes, yes and yes.

If I flew alot or road the metra train to work I would probably get it just cause Im sick... Otherwise its just something to buy just to buy.
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I can't believe i'm about to say this as i'm an Apple whore who owns a MacBook, PowerBook G4, iPhone, Apple TV, two iPods and two nanos. I'm also the guy who has spent the money to upgrade to every new iPhone that has come out..and will likely do again this summer. But i gotta be honest, that video really made me feel even less like i wanted this thing. At least right now.

As a Nook owner, and lover (not in a weird way), the backlighting really removes that component for me. If i read on my laptop for more than 30 minutes i get a ripping headache and this would be the same. The map app he showed was cool, but pointless unless i'm carting this thing around with me, which i won't. Honestly, the only thing i see that screams different is the ability to put it into an e-frame while not using it. Seeing family photos on this thing would be pretty awesome. As would catching a movie/tv show, but again, if i'm home why wouldn't i just stream it from my laptop to my Apple TV and onto my 52" tv.

I have no doubt i will end up with one at some point, but it just doesn't have the same launch draw that i expected it to have.

The good news for all of us is Sport73 will have his tomorrow and he will enlighten all of us right after he gets done cleaning his pants. :lol:
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