There it is, $500

[Kazuya]

Here are some good Krazy Ken Kutaragi quotes (from engadget):

Kutaragi has reportedly stated that the pricing of the PS3 is "probably too cheap," and he likens the console to a fine dining experience, saying that it's nonsense "to compare the charge for dinner at the company cafeteria with dinner at a fine restaurant."

Your bitter axe to grind with Sony aside, the thing probably *is* too cheap given what's inside it. As far as the quotes, no different at all from what the M$ and Nintendo guys have been saying. They've all been subtly (and not so subtly) putting each other down all week.

[DivotMaker]

Kutaragi has reportedly stated that the pricing of the PS3 is "probably too cheap," and he likens the console to a fine dining experience, saying that it's nonsense "to compare the charge for dinner at the company cafeteria with dinner at a fine restaurant."

If this is his attitude, I have some bad news for him....most people do not enjoy a "fine dining experience" every day. What a ridiculous statement. Really highlights the arrogance that Sony has today and I have a feeling it is going to bite them in the @ss sooner than later....

[XXXIV]

Your bitter axe to grind with Sony aside, the thing probably *is* too cheap given what's inside it. As far as the quotes, no different at all from what the M$ and Nintendo guys have been saying. .

Talk about a bitter axe to grind. TSK TSKTSK...See $ony a$$ ki$$ $ony a$$..eh bud?

The guy can have an opinion without being out to get $ony. Its not like they stole food from his kids. Its a f***in console...

[Kazuya]

Your bitter axe to grind with Sony aside, the thing probably *is* too cheap given what's inside it. As far as the quotes, no different at all from what the M$ and Nintendo guys have been saying. .

Talk about a bitter axe to grind. TSK TSKTSK...See $ony a$$ ki$$ $ony a$$..eh bud?

The guy can have an opinion without being out to get $ony. Its not like they stole food from his kids. Its a f***in console...

I thought you only drank heavily during NFL Sundays???

[DivotMaker]

Your bitter axe to grind with Sony aside, the thing probably *is* too cheap given what's inside it. As far as the quotes, no different at all from what the M$ and Nintendo guys have been saying. .

Talk about a bitter axe to grind. TSK TSKTSK...See $ony a$$ ki$$ $ony a$$..eh bud?

The guy can have an opinion without being out to get $ony. Its not like they stole food from his kids. Its a f***in console...

I thought you only drank heavily during NFL Sundays???

Nothing like a personal attack when you have nothing better to respond with......whether you like it or not, Sony has disappointed a great many people with this launch and their F'ing attitude is not helping the perception. What part of this are you NOT understanding?

[kevinpars]

The rhetoric back and forth between Sony and Microsoft is going to be as intense and as annoying as the rhetoric between the Republicans and the Democrats. And both the election and the PS3 release happen in November. And like the reps and the dems, sony and ms have a lot more in common than either would like to admit.

If I was Sony, I would start doing a lot of the same things that MS does: Have a few Sony employees start up blogs (if they haven't already) and put a human face on the company. Have an open line of communication (or the appearance of one anyway) with the customers.

I think that Sony still has a very good chance to maintain their #1 position unless they screw the pooch at launch. Shortages or significant hardware issues could still hurt them.

[Dave]

Call it a bitter axe if you want, but I'm disappointed with the direction Sony has gone with their moves. Fine dining? Compared to what? I expect a hell of a lot of differentiation for $200 and for the games I like to play, it just isn't there compared to the 360.

I kept World of Outlaws for the PS2 because I figured I'd buy a PS3 after reading about the Cell processor and how powerful it is. Then more time passed and Kutaragi started blowing the "you need to work more hours for this experience" crap. Now I don't care at all about Sony's plans.

MS has surprised me this E3. They've really swayed my opinion towards getting a 360 sooner than I expected. Nintendo's been a disappointment too, but my expectations were loftier for them and I'm still excited by the possibilities of the Wii.

[Kazuya]

Call it a bitter axe if you want, but I'm disappointed with the direction Sony has gone with their moves. Fine dining? Compared to what? I expect a hell of a lot of differentiation for $200 and for the games I like to play, it just isn't there compared to the 360.

I kept World of Outlaws for the PS2 because I figured I'd buy a PS3 after reading about the Cell processor and how powerful it is. Then more time passed and Kutaragi started blowing the "you need to work more hours for this experience" crap. Now I don't care at all about Sony's plans.

MS has surprised me this E3. They've really swayed my opinion towards getting a 360 sooner than I expected. Nintendo's been a disappointment too, but my expectations were loftier for them and I'm still excited by the possibilities of the Wii.

Dave, I never said you weren't entitled to your bitter axe... your reasoning is fine. I've just noticed over the 8 pages you've made a lot of negative comments about Sony (douchebags and such)... I had to do a double take since you're normally so even-keeled (unless complaining about the Twins). It's all good... and I love XXXIV and Divot too...

[DivotMaker]

If I was Sony, I would start doing a lot of the same things that MS does: Have a few Sony employees start up blogs (if they haven't already) and put a human face on the company. Have an open line of communication (or the appearance of one anyway) with the customers.

If I were running Sony, I would drop the blatant arrogance and realize quickly that I have just doubled the launch price of my previous machine and that the PS3 is NOT being perceived at this point in time to be $200 more in value to the average consumer than the 360 Premium is. Hell, people are having a hard enough time justifying $400 for the 360 Premium, I can imagine how they are taking the news that the PS3 is going to be 50% more than the best that is on the market today. That is how I perceive the situation.....

[XXXIV]

Your bitter axe to grind with Sony aside, the thing probably *is* too cheap given what's inside it. As far as the quotes, no different at all from what the M$ and Nintendo guys have been saying. .

Talk about a bitter axe to grind. TSK TSKTSK...See $ony a$$ ki$$ $ony a$$..eh bud?

The guy can have an opinion without being out to get $ony. Its not like they stole food from his kids. Its a f***in console...

I thought you only drank heavily during NFL Sundays???

That it?

EDIT: I drink as often as possible...and I love you too

Why cant he have an opinion?

Do you work for $ony?

[wco81]

If I was Sony, I would start doing a lot of the same things that MS does: Have a few Sony employees start up blogs (if they haven't already) and put a human face on the company. Have an open line of communication (or the appearance of one anyway) with the customers.

If I were running Sony, I would drop the blatant arrogance and realize quickly that I have just doubled the launch price of my previous machine and that the PS3 is NOT being perceived at this point in time to be $200 more in value to the average consumer than the 360 Premium is. Hell, people are having a hard enough time justifying $400 for the 360 Premium, I can imagine how they are taking the news that the PS3 is going to be 50% more than the best that is on the market today. That is how I perceive the situation.....

Well only thing we could hope for is that MS starts a price war in the fall of 2007. But being already $100-300 lower depending on which SKUs you compare and the fact that their big games, Halo3 and GTA4 will be coming out then, it's hard to imagine they would cut their price.

But Sony will probably have some big games coming out too and they've never cut prices within one year of launch, I don't think.

Like I said before, I can rationalize the $200 price difference -- Blu-Ray, HDMI (incidentally, MS confirmed that their HD-DVD add-on won't have HDMI, only component), 60 GB drive, Wifi, quieter (said to be as quiet as the PS2 Slim), free online play (if that is indeed the case). Similarly, I can rationalize the $300 increase over the PS2's launch price, since you're getting way more performance and functionality, 6 years later.

But I do it half-heartedly. I can afford it (as long as game prices aren't higher) but this will probably hurt market share and hence, third-party support.

[laurenskye]

Your bitter axe to grind with Sony aside, the thing probably *is* too cheap given what's inside it. As far as the quotes, no different at all from what the M$ and Nintendo guys have been saying. .

Talk about a bitter axe to grind. TSK TSKTSK...See $ony a$$ ki$$ $ony a$$..eh bud?

The guy can have an opinion without being out to get $ony. Its not like they stole food from his kids. Its a f***in console...

I thought you only drank heavily during NFL Sundays???

XXIV is a pro all the way.

[bdunn13]

If Sony's online service is decent(all I want is to chat with friends and play games with them... marketplace is not for me as its just another way to give your money away.) then over a 3 year span the prices come out to be about the same...

3 years of live = 150
Action replay device = 30


You "should" not need an AR defice with the ps3 since I believe it will be using traditional memory devices like CF, SD, Memory Stick ect...

Either way both companies can kiss my ass. They both keep trying to come up with more ways to get our money.

I read somewhere that EA and Monopolysoft plan to sell us alt uniforms for NCAA... F'U both!

In the end I think it might "byte" them both in the arse. I know since game prices have gone up 10 bucks, I buy a TON less.

Yes I am a tight fickle prick(not as much so as PK) as the only person I want to make rich is me!

EDIT:

I should say that if used properly, MP can save you money. I know after watching some trailers that I have quickly learned some games are not for me.

[jondiehl]

They both keep trying to come up with more ways to get our money.

How is that different from any other company, business, or service? God forbid that a business try and sell you something. You don't HAVE to buy stuff, just because it's there. For those that want those XBox Marketplace things, I think it's pretty cool that they have it available.

[bdunn13]

Maybe b/c now they are trying to sell us stuff that we use to get included in the game we bought.

[jondiehl]

Maybe b/c now they are trying to sell us stuff that we use to get included in the game we bought.

Yeah, I would agree with that, but I just haven't seen it (at least with the games I play). Do you have a link to what you were saying about alt-uni's for NCAA?

Sure, some FPS have map packs that you can purchase. But that's nothing new. Expansion packs have been going on for years now, and usually for closer to the price of a full game. But I hvaen't seen a case of a publisher removing features and then trying to sell them as add-ons (unless this NCAA alternate uniform business is legit, then that would be the first time I've seen it).

[bdunn13]

http://forums.operationsports.com/vBull ... p?t=169626

thats where I first saw it.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/n/ncaaf ... ollege.htm


Check out the last paragraph there.

btw: I don't buy expansion packs either

[jondiehl]

Well, it doesn't say that there would be a fee. They just gave us two free maps for COD2, so perhaps they'll make some uni's for free. We'll see.

[DivotMaker]

Well only thing we could hope for is that MS starts a price war in the fall of 2007. But being already $100-300 lower depending on which SKUs you compare and the fact that their big games, Halo3 and GTA4 will be coming out then, it's hard to imagine they would cut their price.

With what I have seen so far, they won't have to cut prices until Sony's are equal.

But Sony will probably have some big games coming out too and they've never cut prices within one year of launch, I don't think.

They would have to be pretty damn big games to convince fence-sitters to fork over +/- $800. Reminds me of the NeoGeo and 3DO days.

Like I said before, I can rationalize the $200 price difference -- Blu-Ray, HDMI (incidentally, MS confirmed that their HD-DVD add-on won't have HDMI, only component), 60 GB drive, Wifi, quieter (said to be as quiet as the PS2 Slim), free online play (if that is indeed the case). Similarly, I can rationalize the $300 increase over the PS2's launch price, since you're getting way more performance and functionality, 6 years later.

Good for you that you can rationalize it. I can afford to put a PS3 in every room in the house that has a TV. But I cannot rationalize the price difference of PS3 vs. the 360 at this point in time. To me, it is not even close right now. I think Sony F'ed up big time releasing pricing so far from the launch date. Either way, I think their pricing is going to stymie their growth until it gets back into the area where the mass consumer can begin to consider it again. You and I are NOT mass consumers. When you put yourself in THEIR shoes, I would think it would be one helluva leap to rationalize a purchase of the PS3 over the 360. Hell, I am a firm believer that neither console is going to truly take off until both of their prices come down. We really haven't even discussed (unless I flat missed it) the impact that the bundle strategies will have on the PS3 either. With typical bundles, you are looking at $1000 + if you include the extended warranty and another controller. On top of that, the mass consumer likely does not have an HDMI-capable 1080p screen which completely negates the BluRay feature. I could go on and on, but to me, Sony has finally let their arrogance instead of business savvy dictate their strategy.

But I do it half-heartedly. I can afford it (as long as game prices aren't higher) but this will probably hurt market share and hence, third-party support.

Agreed. We can only speculate what this will mean in the long term, but by this time next year, we will see if Sony is celebrating or laying people off as a result of the PS3 launch......

[DivotMaker]

http://forums.operationsports.com/vBull ... p?t=169626

thats where I first saw it.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/n/ncaaf ... ollege.htm


Check out the last paragraph there.

btw: I don't buy expansion packs either

Well, the way I see it, they are giving users options they previously did not have access to. If they withhold features from the game in order to sell for more revenue later, then I am as against that as anyone. However, let's see how it shakes out before we condemn it. I have always felt that if a company was offering users something that was not of value to those users, the users usually end up dictating the results of such offerings by not purchasing them....

[Kazuya]

You and I are NOT mass consumers. When you put yourself in THEIR shoes, I would think it would be one helluva leap to rationalize a purchase of the PS3 over the 360.

You started out well, but you failed to put yourself in the shoes of mass consumers. You just can't understand that for the people who want to buy a PS3, the Xbox 360 is not an option. They don't care about Xbox 360. They want to play the games they've been playing for the last 10 years with Sony, whether it's Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Tekken, Jak, or new games like God of War. They WANT a PS3. You can't separate nerds like us -- who own all the systems, understand the Xbox 360 and PS3 are basically equal, know what things like HDMI and Blu-Ray are -- from people who just want to play games. They don't want a video game machine, they want a Playstation.

There are MP3 players out there that are way better featured and are significantly cheaper than iPods... do you see this curbing Apple's ability to sell overpriced stuff at $400 a pop? No, because people WANT iPods. They don't care about iRiver. If they wanted an MP3 player, it would be a different story. But they want iPods.

Even with superior hardware, Xbox Live and blowing billions, M$ did good to capture 15% of the market last go-round... but they were obliterated in sales by Sony and Sony was never threatened. They aren't serious competition for Sony at this time. It could still change, but I fear they really blew it with the bungled launch. They've only shipped just over 3 million after six months... I guarantee you Sony will blow that six-month number away. The clock is ticking on M$...

[wco81]

If you have an HDTV, even if it's not 1080p, you will see benefits with either Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies. Should be better than any DVD player, even upscaling ones.

Here's a semi-amusing take on the PS3 price:

www.slate.com/id/2141633/?nav=tap3

[dbdynsty25]

The only downside to the dual shocks is the fact that it doesn't have analog triggers. It is really difficult to go back to the PS2 to play racing games after using the Xbox/Xbox360 controller.

The analog sticks are not good for precise aiming. So they're perfectly fine in Winning Eleven, Devil May Cry 3, and even Outrun 2006. But for FPS games or something like RE 4, the sloppy sticks on the Dual Shock are a significant drawback.

They aren't that bad.

[pk500]

You and I are NOT mass consumers. When you put yourself in THEIR shoes, I would think it would be one helluva leap to rationalize a purchase of the PS3 over the 360.

You started out well, but you failed to put yourself in the shoes of mass consumers. You just can't understand that for the people who want to buy a PS3, the Xbox 360 is not an option. They don't care about Xbox 360. They want to play the games they've been playing for the last 10 years with Sony, whether it's Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, Tekken, Jak, or new games like God of War. They WANT a PS3. You can't separate nerds like us -- who own all the systems, understand the Xbox 360 and PS3 are basically equal, know what things like HDMI and Blu-Ray are -- from people who just want to play games. They don't want a video game machine, they want a Playstation.

There are MP3 players out there that are way better featured and are significantly cheaper than iPods... do you see this curbing Apple's ability to sell overpriced stuff at $400 a pop? No, because people WANT iPods. They don't care about iRiver. If they wanted an MP3 player, it would be a different story. But they want iPods.

Even with superior hardware, Xbox Live and blowing billions, M$ did good to capture 15% of the market last go-round... but they were obliterated in sales by Sony and Sony was never threatened. They aren't serious competition for Sony at this time. It could still change, but I fear they really blew it with the bungled launch. They've only shipped just over 3 million after six months... I guarantee you Sony will blow that six-month number away. The clock is ticking on M$...

Bingo. I don't think the clock is ticking on MS as a gaming entity, but anyone who thinks that PlayStation isn't to video gaming what Kleenex is to disposable facial tissue is fooling themselves. I don't care how many Xbox controllers are showing up in the hands of people playing video games on TV, PlayStation is still synonymous with gaming to the vast majority of the population.

Take care,
PK

[Dave]

Bingo. I don't think the clock is ticking on MS as a gaming entity, but anyone who thinks that PlayStation isn't to video gaming what Kleenex is to disposable facial tissue is fooling themselves. I don't care how many Xbox controllers are showing up in the hands of people playing video games on TV, PlayStation is still synonymous with gaming to the vast majority of the population.

But so was Nintendo...