Soccer thread 09/10 (contains spoilers)

Naples39 · Post by **Naples39** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:10 pm

ScoopBrady wrote:Still, if Englad wins out and the US wins Wednesday they'll advance.

I can definitely see that playing out. C'mon Engerland!

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:13 pm

Eric Wynalda is calling for an investigation in this video:

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world- ... n-20404462

Sadly, an investigation will prove or solve nothing because FIFA -- which is even more corrupt and incompetent than this ref -- would conduct it.

Sepp Blatter investigating corruption is kind of like having a raging meth head lead the local "Say No To Drugs" chapter for kids.

toonarmy · Post by **toonarmy** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:22 pm

pk500 wrote:Eric Wynalda is calling for an investigation in this video:

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world- ... n-20404462

Sadly, an investigation will prove or solve nothing because FIFA -- which is even more corrupt and incompetent than this ref -- would conduct it.

Sepp Blatter investigating corruption is kind of like having a raging meth head lead the local "Say No To Drugs" chapter for kids.

Unfortunately, you are right about corruption with FIFA. Wynalda pretty much mirrors my thoughts on the matter. He makes a good point that when every free kick is followed by a US infraction when replays show no infractions then it has to be "preplanned" by the ref. That was what I was pointing to in a previous post. I smell a rat. I had forgot about the ridiculous time keeping in extra time that Wynalda addresses. That was really bizarre as well. This whole situation is unfortunate.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:25 pm

Naples39 wrote:
ScoopBrady wrote:Still, if Englad wins out and the US wins Wednesday they'll advance.
I can definitely see that playing out. C'mon Engerland!

An England tie with Algeria would be a deluxe miracle. That would force England to play its balls off and hammer Slovenia next week.

Macca00 · Post by **Macca00** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:31 pm

Awful refereeing (but like Scoop said, didn't the whistle go before the ball went in) and yes there's a lot of hate for the U.S., but when you start talking about refereeing conspiracies then you start sounding a bit crazy.

Also, why would FIFA want the US eliminated so early? Wouldn't they want the US to do well? It's their dream that football would become mainstream in North America, if they didn't want the U.S. there they could just eliminate that 3rd CONCAF finals spot and give it to Europe or Asia.

Also, that elbow by Dempsey right at the start of the game could have been a straight red. If that idiot who officiated the Germany game this morning was there then the US would have been down to 10 men within a minute.

Not disputing that it was stupid officiating and I've been rooting for the US each game.

toonarmy · Post by **toonarmy** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:44 pm

Macca00 wrote:Awful refereeing (but like Scoop said, didn't the whistle go before the ball went in) and yes there's a lot of hate for the U.S., but when you start talking about refereeing conspiracies then you start sounding a bit crazy.

Also, why would FIFA want the US eliminated so early? Wouldn't they want the US to do well? It's their dream that football would become mainstream in North America, if they didn't want the U.S. there they could just eliminate that 3rd CONCAF finals spot and give it to Europe or Asia.

Also, that elbow by Dempsey right at the start of the game could have been a straight red. If that idiot who officiated the Germany game this morning was there then the US would have been down to 10 men within a minute.

Not disputing that it was stupid officiating and I've been rooting for the US each game.

I don't think for a minute that FIFA had anything to do with today's dreadful reffing. I don't even think it is a conspiracy on any level. I think what we got was an extremely bad ref who was biased against the USA and took it upon himself to make numerous awful calls. Wynalda's points are all very valid.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:49 pm

Macca00 wrote:Also, why would FIFA want the US eliminated so early? Wouldn't they want the US to do well? It's their dream that football would become mainstream in North America, if they didn't want the U.S. there they could just eliminate that 3rd CONCAF finals spot and give it to Europe or Asia.

Yeah, FIFA may want the US in it, but some mobster that just paid off the ref doesn't care how far they advance. It doesn't necessarily have to be a FIFA conspiracy.

MizzouRah · Post by **MizzouRah** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:52 pm

I'm not sure I've seen a more horrible refereed game in my life as far as soccer goes.

Heck, even the youth refs out here in St. Louis ref better than that.

Cost US the game for sure.

toonarmy · Post by **toonarmy** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:00 pm

Read this description at SB Nation, made me laugh:

I've watched the replay 10 times, and the call is the second and most glaring disgrace of this match, a flaming dead donkey of a call thrown into the face of sane officiating, a crapulent fiction written by a temporarily insane arbiter obviously high on dangerous street pharmaceuticals, a blatant crime against logic, fairness, and the otherwise fine reputation of the sensible people of Mali and West Central Africa, an "artless theft" as the announcers put it, a smash-and-grab without even the courtesy of a ludicrously creative explanation, an alpaca out of nowhere, a pissant sportocrat's petty and miserable entry into the annals of soccer history, a permanent disinvitation to my extremely exclusive Christmas card list, and the man who finally united Tunisia and the United States in a unilateral agreement on one thing: that you suck, and suck forever, and should be allowed no supervision over anything more complex than an armwrestling match between quadruple amputees.

Macca00 · Post by **Macca00** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:08 pm

toonarmy wrote:
I don't think for a minute that FIFA had anything to do with today's dreadful reffing. I don't even think it is a conspiracy on any level. I think what we got was an extremely bad ref who was biased against the USA and took it upon himself to make numerous awful calls. Wynalda's points are all very valid.

I see. Sorry, my misunderstanding.

Man, England need to pick it up!

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:25 pm

Macca00 wrote:
toonarmy wrote:
I don't think for a minute that FIFA had anything to do with today's dreadful reffing. I don't even think it is a conspiracy on any level. I think what we got was an extremely bad ref who was biased against the USA and took it upon himself to make numerous awful calls. Wynalda's points are all very valid.
I see. Sorry, my misunderstanding.

Man, England need to pick it up!

NOOOOOOOO! An Algeria-England draw would be primo deluxe for the U.S.!

Macca00 · Post by **Macca00** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:31 pm

Sorry, my bad. 0-0 it is then, carry on lads!

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 3:53 pm

Macca00 wrote:Sorry, my bad. 0-0 it is then, carry on lads!

Good god England are absolute shite. It's embarassing when they have so little depth up front that they're carrying Emile "donkey' Heskey in their starting lineup.

Best wishes,

Doug

Naples39 · Post by **Naples39** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:21 pm

pk500 wrote: NOOOOOOOO! An Algeria-England draw would be primo deluxe for the U.S.!

Well your wish has come true. I guess this means the US essentially controls their own destiny against Algeria?

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:21 pm

I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes.

What a strange day of World Cup play. Serbia wins and two ties.

I don't know what's more offensive, the Malian official's job or England's attack.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:22 pm

WE SUCK LESS!!! WE SUCK LESS!!! USA!!! USA!!!

toonarmy · Post by **toonarmy** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:22 pm

WTF England? Making themselves look incredibly overrated.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:25 pm

dougb wrote:
Macca00 wrote:Sorry, my bad. 0-0 it is then, carry on lads!
Good god England are absolute shite.

s*** they were.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:34 pm

Naples39 wrote:
pk500 wrote: NOOOOOOOO! An Algeria-England draw would be primo deluxe for the U.S.!
Well your wish has come true. I guess this means the US essentially controls their own destiny against Algeria?

Unless I'm missing something...

If England and the US win against Algeria and Slovenia, they are both through.

Slovenia 4
Eng and US 2
Algeria 1.

You have to say that the US is atleast showing more in terms of offense than England at the moment. Slovenia can't be feeling too comfortable having to at least tie England to get through assuming the US wins.

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:37 pm

JRod wrote:
Naples39 wrote:
pk500 wrote: NOOOOOOOO! An Algeria-England draw would be primo deluxe for the U.S.!
Well your wish has come true. I guess this means the US essentially controls their own destiny against Algeria?
Unless I'm missing something...

If England and the US win against Algeria and Slovenia, they are both through.

Slovenia 4
Eng and US 2
Algeria 1.

You have to say that the US is atleast showing more in terms of offense than England at the moment. Slovenia can't be feeling too comfortable having to at least tie England to get through assuming the US wins.

On current England form I'm not sure Slovenia have much to fear from England. I remember Dave writing after the last world cup that those hammering Sven Goran Erickson might have pause to regret underestimating what he achieved with the players at his disposal.

Um...yes.

Best wishes,

Doug

dougb · Post by **dougb** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:38 pm

XXXIV wrote:
dougb wrote:
Macca00 wrote:Sorry, my bad. 0-0 it is then, carry on lads!
Good god England are absolute shite.
s*** they were.

Actually worse - they are a complete and utter shower.

Best wishes,

Doug

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:59 pm

All England needs is a W. They may look bad but even they can find a goal or two. They have too much quality to be overlooked against Slovenia.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:12 pm

Naples39 wrote:
pk500 wrote: NOOOOOOOO! An Algeria-England draw would be primo deluxe for the U.S.!
Well your wish has come true. I guess this means the US essentially controls their own destiny against Algeria?

Indeed. I feel at least a smidge of justice after the England-Algeria draw.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:14 pm

JRod wrote:All England needs is a W. They may look bad but even they can find a goal or two. They have too much quality to be overlooked against Slovenia.

What makes you think that? Algeria is the worst team in the group, and England couldn't puncture it.

The England camp must be in full panic mode right now. Can't wait to read the London tabs tomorrow morning.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 5:19 pm

pk500 wrote:
JRod wrote:All England needs is a W. They may look bad but even they can find a goal or two. They have too much quality to be overlooked against Slovenia.
What makes you think that? Algeria is the worst team in the group, and England couldn't puncture it.

The England camp must be in full panic mode right now. Can't wait to read the London tabs tomorrow morning.

Well they put one against the USA. One game doesn't change it all for England. It's foolish to write off England. I'm not claiming they'll win the entire tournament. But you have Slovenia coming off a massive tie where they were up 2-0. And england with their backs against the wall where they do not need any help to advance. A win and they are in.