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mobiggins wrote:Yes, it is a disaster of 100,000sq-mile proportion, but there's also a large, historic metropolis in the middle of that 100,000sq miles that the local and federal government should have been prepared to aid within 12-24 hours of a catastrophe such as this one. 4 years on from 9/11, we had a test of national security THAT WE SAW COMING and we failed miserably. The evacuation may have been a local matter, but the quick aftermath response was a federal matter at which Bush, Chertoff, Brown (FEMA Head) and all attendant government leaders failed miserably. Chertoff has to have NPR reporters tell him that people are starving, and Brown's take on every single post-hurricane emergency is akin to a child's view of things. Go to CNN.com and read what his official response was vs. the on-the-ground reporting of news agencies, local officials, and civilians, and you'll see how out of touch the government was on things. And Bush apologists can apologise all they want, but the fact of the matter was that G-Dub was on vacation before, during, and after the hurricane, and had no clue.

We could do the blame game all we want. Things could have definitley been handled better all around, but if you are really interested in blaming someone, blame mother nature and father time. Mother nature for hitting the American coast with a giant hurricane and father time for only giving us a couple days to prepare.

These things are called disasters for a reason. I think we should do a better job than the media at tossing out blame. The media(doesn't matter which channel) just wants us to watch.

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One thing I can say I learned from this disaster is that if something really big hits you are on your own. Have a survival plan for you and your family. Have emergency supplies on hand. Know how you are going to defend your family and/or property.


That was a good post by Puck. This country was built on the individuals being strong and joining together when needed.
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One more thing.............

You have a mayor who knows a Cat 4 is coming and his levess are built to wistand a Cat 3 and 6% with no way out........and you're sitting BELOW SEA LEVEL and he's supposed to what? Sit on his ass? Maybe making preparations and coordinating with local and state officials for proper evacuation for those with NO WAY OUT would sound better?
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Blue for the love of all things 1024x768 or lower resolution, would you use the URL Text feature.

Just stick your mouse over the URL button and it shows you how to do it. Alt+w is your friend, try it.
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i'm sure there is plenty of arguing going on in this thread and I don't care to go back and read. I wondered how long it would be before I started to see the effects of Katrina here in Dallas. Well, it didn't take long. I live in a pretty good area over here in the Las Colinas area in Irving. I'm on the way home from work today and I notice to 3 brothas just walking down McArthur Blvd. Now mostly in this area, Las Colinas, it's pretty much white and Indian, with a few of my people sprinkled here and there. When I saw the guys I immediately thought, I wonder if those guys are from the N.O. The gold teeth and chains kinda tipped me off, lol. I was like nah, I mean there are some of us over here but rarely do I see brothas over here in baggy clothes and gold teeth and chains.

So I go further down the street and approched this extended stay hotel. From a distance, I see like 5-7 people standing on the corner with signs. As I pass by, I noticed the signs that said, "Need shelter, food, and money". Perspective. I plan to ride back through there probably tomorrow to speak to the people and to see what I can do. I'm by no means loaded but I think I can spare a couple dollars. I can't imagine what they must be going through. Then today, they asked Dallas to take on 25000 refugees (weird using that term in this country) who will be staying at Reunion Arena (Mavericks old facilty) and at the convention center. Reunion is a stone's throw from downtown. Downtown is about to become a very interesting place.
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blueduke wrote:One more thing.............

You have a mayor who knows a Cat 4 is coming and his levess are built to wistand a Cat 3 and 6% with no way out........and you're sitting BELOW SEA LEVEL and he's supposed to what? Sit on his ass? Maybe making preparations and coordinating with local and state officials for proper evacuation for those with NO WAY OUT would sound better?

Well let's see.. From the other thread you started.
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Currently 7 edits trying to figure out how to make a simple TEXT URL, yet you feel fully qualified to rip on the mayor of New Orleans on how to handle a hurricane. I can see someone never slept in a Holiday Inn Express. ;)


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blueduke wrote:Lets just let the city and state off the hook okay, Jared? It's all Bush's fault. Hell everything is. JFK Jr blamed him for the freakin hurricane. Let's dismiss Broussard's warnings about emergency planning re: other storms too...
Did you even read what you cited? Broussard called for evacuation before a hurricane and for the implementation of contraflow to get people out for Hurricane Dennis. And for Katrina, the N.O. government implemented....a mandatory evacuation and contraflow to expedite evacuation.

And no one is arguing that the city and state should be completely off the hook. But when the city and state are DESTROYED, their ability to respond will be hampered. That's where the federal government comes in. And if the federal gov't screws up, then people die.
that's got to be bush's fault too I'm sure. Btw, Bush has vetoed ZERO spending bills while president. ZERO. Now why pray tell hasn't requests for help with levees come before now (perhaps you should check with your enviromental friends on this one. While you're at it ask them now if it's okay to drill for oil where we know we have it and build more refinerys)? It's not like they've haven't been warned.
Bush cut federal assistance for hazard mitigation grants (i.e. stuff like building levees). But that's neither here nor their...because even with funding, they might not have been finished in time or big enough. My main complaint is with the immediate response, which has been nothing short of pathetic.
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bdoughty wrote: Mark the TIME, DATE and THREAD folks. Brent and Jared agree on something.
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I voted for Bush, but he totally f***ed up here big time man. I am in houston so this s*** hits close to home for me so if I am sounding mad, well I am.

WE can get supplies over to the tsuanmi in 2 days, get troops into baghdad a half a world away with ease, but we can't HELP OUR OWN PEOPLE!! Bullshit!

I know Jesse Jackson played the race card on this yesterday but it has nothing to do about race. All the white people out there, Jesse doesn't talk for us, don't listen to him, he's just a media publicity whore so just ignore him. This has nothing to do with race!

It has everything to do with the fed government not doing their job, PROTECTING THE PEOPLE! I also saw Bush on tv today, he f***in couldn't put one f***in sentence together. He looked like he was on vacation, got back today, and found out there was a hurricane that wiped away an American City. Didn't he learn anything from f***in 911?

And the N.O. mayor, what a f***in joke. Don't even get me started on him. f***in asshole embarassing all of us. That's another story.

People are mad as hell right now down here. It don't matter if your a republican or democrat, the Fed Gov really f***ed this one up big time. f***in WHERE WAS GEORGE??!!
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Jared wrote:
bdoughty wrote: Mark the TIME, DATE and THREAD folks. Brent and Jared agree on something.
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:lol: Well I figure we were due.

Please lock Blues other thread before he has an anurism trying to figure out the complexity of the [url] tag. He is at 14 edits already, the lab monkeys at MIT are now mocking him.
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It has everything to do with the fed government not doing their job, PROTECTING THE PEOPLE! I also saw Bush on tv today, he f***in couldn't put one f***in sentence together. He looked like he was on vacation, got back today, and found out there was a hurricane that wiped away an American City. Didn't he learn anything from f***in 911?
"Just let me knock in this birdie putt, and then i'll address hurcane Katrina."-Bush
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Please lock Blues other thread before he has an anurism trying to figure out the complexity of the [url] tag. He is at 14 edits already, the lab monkeys at MIT are now mocking him.
Yes please. I admit I'm not a techno wizard or even close. While I'm good at helping repair broken or torn limbs I suck with computers. I am a beaten man. :oops:
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My main complaint is with the immediate response, which has been nothing short of pathetic.
That I agree with. But there's alot of blame to around. Now it's just being thrown in one direction
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blueduke wrote:
My main complaint is with the immediate response, which has been nothing short of pathetic.
That I agree with. But there's alot of blame to around. Now it's just being thrown in one direction

What your saying makes no sense. The damn local mayor cannot order federal troops. There is blame going in one direction BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY 1 f***in FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!! THE JOB OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT IT'S PEOPLE!

If it was clinton, kerry, or f***in truman out of the grave, whoever, and they f***ed this up too, they would be getting their ass reamed like bush is now also.
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HouOilers wrote:
blueduke wrote:
My main complaint is with the immediate response, which has been nothing short of pathetic.
That I agree with. But there's alot of blame to around. Now it's just being thrown in one direction

What your saying makes no sense. The damn local mayor cannot order federal troops. There is blame going in one direction BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY 1 f***in FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!! THE JOB OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT IT'S PEOPLE!

If it was clinton, kerry, or f***in truman out of the grave, whoever, and they f***ed this up too, they would be getting their ass reamed like bush is now also.
We know it's all Bush's fault. Mayor and governor are just poor hapless victims in yet another GW bumbling of the weather. you know the next volcano eruption or earthquake will be triggered by the sinister Texan
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HouOilers wrote:
blueduke wrote:
My main complaint is with the immediate response, which has been nothing short of pathetic.
That I agree with. But there's alot of blame to around. Now it's just being thrown in one direction

What your saying makes no sense. The damn local mayor cannot order federal troops. There is blame going in one direction BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY 1 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!! THE JOB OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS TO PROTECT IT'S PEOPLE!

If it was clinton, kerry, or truman out of the grave, whoever, and they messed this up too, they would be getting their ass reamed like bush is now also.
Edited your reply so I could say...

You are correct...
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So we gonna help the people or play a BS political game?
You are all unbelieveable.
ANY f***in subject turns into the same s***...

WHAT ABOUT THE f***in PEOPLE??????
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blueduke wrote: you know the next volcano eruption or earthquake will be triggered by the sinister Texan
Yes it will...

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It's our "leader" who has do what is necessary to help the people. And our "leader" is a clown.
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bdoughty wrote:
blueduke wrote: you know the next volcano eruption or earthquake will be triggered by the sinister Texan
Yes it will...

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I voted for this man. I don't regret it either

Breaks in the levee logic......

http://www.techcentralstation.com/090205F.html
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XXXIV wrote:So we gonna help the people or play a BS political game?
You are all unbelieveable.
ANY f***in subject turns into the same s***...

WHAT ABOUT THE f***in PEOPLE??????
It only took 7 pages but I knew you would show. Lubbock is taking in over 1,000 people. I have donated numerous items to goodwill today who is handling much of the effort here for the people coming in. Hopefully YOU have taken your own advice and have contributed something to help out.

Get your panties out of the proverbial wad. ;)
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blueduke wrote:
bdoughty wrote:
blueduke wrote: you know the next volcano eruption or earthquake will be triggered by the sinister Texan
Yes it will...

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I voted for this man. I don't regret it either

Breaks in the levee logic......

http://www.techcentralstation.com/090205F.html

Yea that does not shock me one bit about you voting for Perot. Could have had something to do with me using his image.

Do you ever read the articles you post? See the last line.
Snap judgments in this situation are worse than no judgment at all.
I guess that is only reserved for Presidents, not Mayors. ;)
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Please let me clarify that the second quote referred to is not mine--it's from one of the articles I linked to.
Sorry, Bill. I definitely did not mean to infer that you made that comment. I did a poor job of attributing that quote to the article. I'll fix the post to clear that up.
No problem. I'm just glad somebody's reading the blog. :D

I think the single biggest reason that turned this into a cluster $*#@ of epic proportions is that when all the highways were bumper-to-bumper leaving the city, and there were 20,000 people in the Superdome, everyone assumed that the city was mostly empty. I think there were 10X as many people left as they thought. That totally fubar'd everything they were doing in response. Their idea of scale was totally wrong.
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Anyone watch the Hurricane Relief special on NBC this evening? Performances by Harry Connick Jr., Tim McGraw, Faith Hill, etc. Actors asking for donations to the Red Cross (Richard Gere, Erik LaSalle, Leonardo DiCaprio, Claire Danes, etc.)

Anyways, did anyone catch Mike Meyers and Kanye West???? Of course, all the actors were reading something that was already written for them. But, Kanye West who is black decided to make his time his little soap box. While he made pleads for donations, he also commented that the reason it took so many days for relief to come to the refugees was because they are black. He went on to say that blacks are looked upon as looters and whites as looking for food. Commented further that the National Guard was there to shoot the black people.

Meyers looked absolutely stunned. After West spoke, Meyers had a little more to say. It went back to West, who then remarked that President Bush does not care for black people. From that, he was cut off and they went immediately to Chris Tucker. My wife and I just looked at each other!

By the way, who is Kanye West????
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bdoughty wrote:
blueduke wrote:
bdoughty wrote: Yes it will...

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I voted for this man. I don't regret it either

Breaks in the levee logic......

http://www.techcentralstation.com/090205F.html

Yea that does not shock me one bit about you voting for Perot. Could have had something to do with me using his image.

Do you ever read the articles you post? See the last line.
Snap judgments in this situation are worse than no judgment at all.
I guess that is only reserved for Presidents, not Mayors. ;)
I don't see anyone blaming the mayor but they're lining up to blame Bush----including you. "Snap judgements" are flying off your keyboard too.. Portraying the mayor as a victim is ludicrous. There's blame for him too. For the record I've blamed them all just in case you're wondering. Maybe you haven't fully read my comments on this thread?
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blueduke wrote:
I don't see anyone blaming the mayor but they're lining up to blame Bush----including you. "Snap judgements" are flying off your keyboard too.. Portraying the mayor as a victim is ludicrous. There's blame for him too. For the record I've blamed them all just in case you're wondering. Maybe you haven't fully read my comments on this thread?

The higher up the chain, the higher up the blame. They have peoples lives in their hands and the mayor is pretty far down the chain of command. No need for anyone to blame the mayor as you have done plenty. Yet you fail to give an example of how those busses would have taken care of the problem, but hey what's the need for "those little details" on the internet playing "simulation mayor". I would go back and read your previous replies but my monitor does not do 1020430x747373 resolution due to your crazy linking.

Well I am going to take a break and play some NCAA. I try to stay out of these threads and should have tossed the keyboard out the door before replying to your CYA mode comment. Or when you called him a dumbass. Must get more willpower I guess..
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