Yeah, I read that the functionality is in the game, but Konami just didn't want to enable it.
I'm hoping that the North American PC version will be able to play online with the European PC version. The English server is fairly empty anyway, and playing against people overseas with bad connections is a total waste of time.
First PES 2009 Info
Moderators: Bill_Abner, ScoopBrady
I just cannot believe how much I've gone off PES - Maybe picking up the PC version would be better? At least then there's a chance to get modded kits and sound effects.
I'm not even that sure about the AI now. Players seem to bunch up an awful lot at the back. I think the offensive AI still has a slight edge over Fifa. I'd say the defending AI is a mix - they perform better when not under human control in terms of marking and tackling, but the AI players do not hold the formation shape very well.
I have to say that the graphics are terribly underwhelming at this point and the sound effects are absolute s***!
Best wishes,
Doug
I'm not even that sure about the AI now. Players seem to bunch up an awful lot at the back. I think the offensive AI still has a slight edge over Fifa. I'd say the defending AI is a mix - they perform better when not under human control in terms of marking and tackling, but the AI players do not hold the formation shape very well.
I have to say that the graphics are terribly underwhelming at this point and the sound effects are absolute s***!
Best wishes,
Doug
"Every major sport has come under the influence of organized crime. FIFA actually is organized crime" - Charles Pierce
-
dbdynsty25
- DSP-Funk All-Star
- Posts: 21619
- Joined: Mon Aug 19, 2002 3:00 am
- Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
The fact that they have tightened up the dribbling has me really excited. Gone are the days where if the defender nudges you, you DEFINITELY lose the ball...now you can get right back on course and win it back. It's not a all or nothing thing anymore. There is a lot less randomness to where the balls will bounce after a slide tackle or a lunging tackle...so that's a welcome improvement.
As for the sound effects being horrible...I'm usually listening to music when I play games like this anyway, so no biggie to me. They aren't atrocious like I thought they'd be when you guys got the real game before I did. LOL.
As for the sound effects being horrible...I'm usually listening to music when I play games like this anyway, so no biggie to me. They aren't atrocious like I thought they'd be when you guys got the real game before I did. LOL.
I played a few games with Doug online today, and the big news is that it is a LOT more playable than last year's version. There is still some laggy craziness from time to time, but for the most part it runs smoothly and plays pretty well.
What's cool is that you can get four guys into a 'room,' and then can set it up as you please, with two on two, three on one, or four v. CPU. Doug and I tried one game as teammates v. CPU and it was tons of fun. I can see two on two in this game being outstanding good stuff, assuming of course that with four guys in the game it doesn't dissolve into a total lag-fest.
I also started my 'be a Legend' guy, who is super crappy right now (I mean, even default stiffs type crappy), but it's pretty fun. Their version of the 'be a pro cam' seems to be a lot better than FIFA's in that it's a wider angle lens, so you can see a lot better around and behind you. Even so, I ended up switching back to the good ol' wide cam. You can set the camera to focus on the ball or your player, but I don't think you can do it on the fly as you can in FIFA, which is pretty lame.
But, what's cool is that you can then go online with your legend and play with other guys' legends as well. I'm not sure if you have to play v. CPU, but I feel like that's likely. Either way, it could be kind of fun, maybe, once people get their legends beefed up a bit.
You can also upload ML team data for online play, but I'm guessing it will be without player development, so I'm not too sure how useful that would be. Still, I imagine we could all create our own all-star type teams by just starting an ML and stocking it up, so that could be cool for head to head online, or even two on two games.
In any case, the good news is that it freaking works at all, so I'm pretty happy about that. I'm really looking forward to some good sessions of two on two in the future if we can get that going from time to time. Despite all the terrible things Doug has said about the game behind its back in this forum, when the game was listening (while we were online) he seemed to be enjoying himself quite a bit in our competitive online games. It was a lot of fun.
What's cool is that you can get four guys into a 'room,' and then can set it up as you please, with two on two, three on one, or four v. CPU. Doug and I tried one game as teammates v. CPU and it was tons of fun. I can see two on two in this game being outstanding good stuff, assuming of course that with four guys in the game it doesn't dissolve into a total lag-fest.
I also started my 'be a Legend' guy, who is super crappy right now (I mean, even default stiffs type crappy), but it's pretty fun. Their version of the 'be a pro cam' seems to be a lot better than FIFA's in that it's a wider angle lens, so you can see a lot better around and behind you. Even so, I ended up switching back to the good ol' wide cam. You can set the camera to focus on the ball or your player, but I don't think you can do it on the fly as you can in FIFA, which is pretty lame.
But, what's cool is that you can then go online with your legend and play with other guys' legends as well. I'm not sure if you have to play v. CPU, but I feel like that's likely. Either way, it could be kind of fun, maybe, once people get their legends beefed up a bit.
You can also upload ML team data for online play, but I'm guessing it will be without player development, so I'm not too sure how useful that would be. Still, I imagine we could all create our own all-star type teams by just starting an ML and stocking it up, so that could be cool for head to head online, or even two on two games.
In any case, the good news is that it freaking works at all, so I'm pretty happy about that. I'm really looking forward to some good sessions of two on two in the future if we can get that going from time to time. Despite all the terrible things Doug has said about the game behind its back in this forum, when the game was listening (while we were online) he seemed to be enjoying himself quite a bit in our competitive online games. It was a lot of fun.
Picked up the PS3 version a few days ago....I'd agree with doug's points. I'm going to try out the custom/modified rosters for the PS3 once I'm done noting the default rosters/licenses for my review.
Hearing Zep talking about him and doug playing otp (even if it is 2 vs 2) has me tempted to pick up the 360 version too...bastards!!!
Hearing Zep talking about him and doug playing otp (even if it is 2 vs 2) has me tempted to pick up the 360 version too...bastards!!!
Macca, I am curious to see your opinion on the PS3, if I was to get this year's PES it was going to be for the Sony system for the ability to alter the rosters and always liked the PS3 controller better for this game.
But if it's the same old, same old, I was gonna flip my preorder for 'Left 4 Dead'.
But if it's the same old, same old, I was gonna flip my preorder for 'Left 4 Dead'.
Ah thanks Zeppo! 
Yeah I had a good time playing the game with Zeppo - I think a game could be pretty crap and Zeppo and I could still have a good time! Heck, I remember lots of laugh even with the laggy shitfest that was PES 2008 when Macca and I were playing. I do think this game is much more fun on-line than offline. I like the 2 against 2 concept and the team-up versus the AI is also a lot of fun as Zeppo wrote.
Looking at both Fifa and PES I'd have to say I definitely prefer Fifa this year over PES - although as I've written up above there are things that are still superior in PES that I really like. One thing in the on-line play is that the responsiveness to my button presses appears much quicker than in Fifa. I also think that Fifa seems to cache up button presses or moves more than PES. Occassionally I'll get the feeling like I have to fight FIFA for control of my player although I was also seeing some of that in PES on-line as well. For some reason I've always had difficulty taking on AI players one on one in Fifa although I'm also not that much better at it in PES. My style tends to be to pass my way around and through the defenses.
Macca - grab the game for the 360!
Best wishes,
Doug
Yeah I had a good time playing the game with Zeppo - I think a game could be pretty crap and Zeppo and I could still have a good time!
Heck, I remember lots of laugh even with the laggy shitfest that was PES 2008 when Macca and I were playing. I do think this game is much more fun on-line than offline. I like the 2 against 2 concept and the team-up versus the AI is also a lot of fun as Zeppo wrote. Looking at both Fifa and PES I'd have to say I definitely prefer Fifa this year over PES - although as I've written up above there are things that are still superior in PES that I really like. One thing in the on-line play is that the responsiveness to my button presses appears much quicker than in Fifa. I also think that Fifa seems to cache up button presses or moves more than PES. Occassionally I'll get the feeling like I have to fight FIFA for control of my player although I was also seeing some of that in PES on-line as well. For some reason I've always had difficulty taking on AI players one on one in Fifa although I'm also not that much better at it in PES. My style tends to be to pass my way around and through the defenses.
Macca - grab the game for the 360!
Best wishes,
Doug
"Every major sport has come under the influence of organized crime. FIFA actually is organized crime" - Charles Pierce
I don't want to like this game and I think Konami have been f@cking lazy as sh!t these past few years......but it's still a good game and definitely what PES 2008 should have been. Something about that bloody game engine, as antiquated as it is, is still slightly better in single player than FIFA.
That said, definitely not good enough for me to pick up the 360 version as well....unless I can pick up a second hand copy (translation: I'll get it soon because I have no willpower when it comes to football games).
Macca
(soccer game whore)
That said, definitely not good enough for me to pick up the 360 version as well....unless I can pick up a second hand copy (translation: I'll get it soon because I have no willpower when it comes to football games).
Macca
(soccer game whore)
I rented the 360 version and based on a couple of games I played, the game engine is still solid but the speed of the gameplay is still a bit too quick for my taste. Guys like Rooney have a speed burst I have not seen with this game, to the point that having speedy wingers cross the ball in for headed or volleyed goals seem like an overused strategy. He may do that here and there, but not all the time with A class defenders breathing down his neck.
The passing and shooting animations are archaic. Player faces are not at par with Fifa, but you have to handed to Konami, overall it still plays a fun game of virtual soccer but if you asked me whether I prefer the next generation offers over the good old days of the PS2 version of the game, and I would say NO. Having said that I think it's the best 'next-gen' version and at this point I am just happy renting it out.
The passing and shooting animations are archaic. Player faces are not at par with Fifa, but you have to handed to Konami, overall it still plays a fun game of virtual soccer but if you asked me whether I prefer the next generation offers over the good old days of the PS2 version of the game, and I would say NO. Having said that I think it's the best 'next-gen' version and at this point I am just happy renting it out.
Got my copy from gamefly and I'm surprised by how underwhelming I'm finding it. The game is what PES 2008 should've been, and nothing more.
-Player models are improved and look good, but heads and hair lag behind. There's an element of beetlejuice to it all IMO. As a result, FIFA remains visually superior.
-Player responsiveness is great without being so responsive to be grossly unrealistic, and I like the game speed right where it is. Part of this is a matter of taste, but I think PES' control and pace is objectively better suited to gaming, particularly multiplayer, even if there are hints of realism to FIFA 09's sluggishness.
-FIFA obviously mops the floor of PES in features and teams
-Sound is terrible, particularly ball-on-foot sounds.
-FIFA blows it away in atmosphere--no surprise again
-Hard to say if FIFA or PES has better positional AI. They are pretty comparable IMO
-PES still has a superior shooting model, and player-on-player physics and ball interactions are still better than FIFA in terms of dribbling and fighting for the ball
The yawning gap in quality between FIFA and PES is a thing of the past. FIFA has surpassed PES in some respects, but PES remains superior in other aspects. Gonna be a matter of taste about which game to keep for me. I'll hang on to it for a bit before I make a final decision about which game is the keeper this year.
-Player models are improved and look good, but heads and hair lag behind. There's an element of beetlejuice to it all IMO. As a result, FIFA remains visually superior.
-Player responsiveness is great without being so responsive to be grossly unrealistic, and I like the game speed right where it is. Part of this is a matter of taste, but I think PES' control and pace is objectively better suited to gaming, particularly multiplayer, even if there are hints of realism to FIFA 09's sluggishness.
-FIFA obviously mops the floor of PES in features and teams
-Sound is terrible, particularly ball-on-foot sounds.
-FIFA blows it away in atmosphere--no surprise again
-Hard to say if FIFA or PES has better positional AI. They are pretty comparable IMO
-PES still has a superior shooting model, and player-on-player physics and ball interactions are still better than FIFA in terms of dribbling and fighting for the ball
The yawning gap in quality between FIFA and PES is a thing of the past. FIFA has surpassed PES in some respects, but PES remains superior in other aspects. Gonna be a matter of taste about which game to keep for me. I'll hang on to it for a bit before I make a final decision about which game is the keeper this year.
It's too bad there's not a 2k share feature for this game.
I don't know if anyone has DL'ed a OF for the 360? Maybe we could send around a memory card to get updated and expended OF's for those that can't save to the 360. Which is myself.
I don't know if anyone has DL'ed a OF for the 360? Maybe we could send around a memory card to get updated and expended OF's for those that can't save to the 360. Which is myself.
[url=http://sensiblecoasters.wordpress.com/][b]Sensible Coasters - A critique of sports games, reviews, gaming sites and news. Questionably Proofread![/b][/url]
Tempted by gamefly's $10 weekend sale offer, I decided to 'keep it' for $30.
I like that crosses in this game are actually dangerous; I like that play control is very responsive, but slightly less uber-responsive from last year's turbo-style play; I like that goalies are much more realistic than FIFA; I like the shooting model better and how satisfying it is to hit the target from distance; I like the touch you can put on chipped through balls....etc
Not perfect, but enough for me to keep it this year.
I've never looked into memory card and option transfers for 360, but might be worth it for this game if there is a cost effective way to do it and get the kits and bundesliga teams.
I like that crosses in this game are actually dangerous; I like that play control is very responsive, but slightly less uber-responsive from last year's turbo-style play; I like that goalies are much more realistic than FIFA; I like the shooting model better and how satisfying it is to hit the target from distance; I like the touch you can put on chipped through balls....etc
Not perfect, but enough for me to keep it this year.
I've never looked into memory card and option transfers for 360, but might be worth it for this game if there is a cost effective way to do it and get the kits and bundesliga teams.
I decided to pick this one up....
Still trying to come to grips with the fact that I actually prefer FIFA this year. This, considering Pro Evolution has addressed the lag from last year and have put out a pretty decent game.
While I definitely feel that PES plays a very good game of football at both ends, the frantic play in the middle of the pitch falls a bit short. Like others have mentioned, the speed is just a bit too much and results in a bit of an "arcadey" feel when building an attack. The controls are tight though...and as always, you really feel rewarded when you pull of exactly what was going on in your head at the moment. PES is still great for this organic type of gameplay.
In terms of looks though...it's still a pretty messy looking game. The pitch is still subpar along with the generic uniforms, etc....Although if you choose a licensed team like Man U or Liverpool, you'll be amazed at the realism of the faces (Ronaldo's face and expression are dead on).
When it comes down to it, I think I'll playing the Champions League in PES and sticking with FIFA for Manager Mode. I'm not sure what the Masters League is like this year, but if the setup is anything like previous years, I just don't see it being an option (outdated rosters don't help either).
Still trying to come to grips with the fact that I actually prefer FIFA this year. This, considering Pro Evolution has addressed the lag from last year and have put out a pretty decent game.
While I definitely feel that PES plays a very good game of football at both ends, the frantic play in the middle of the pitch falls a bit short. Like others have mentioned, the speed is just a bit too much and results in a bit of an "arcadey" feel when building an attack. The controls are tight though...and as always, you really feel rewarded when you pull of exactly what was going on in your head at the moment. PES is still great for this organic type of gameplay.
In terms of looks though...it's still a pretty messy looking game. The pitch is still subpar along with the generic uniforms, etc....Although if you choose a licensed team like Man U or Liverpool, you'll be amazed at the realism of the faces (Ronaldo's face and expression are dead on).
When it comes down to it, I think I'll playing the Champions League in PES and sticking with FIFA for Manager Mode. I'm not sure what the Masters League is like this year, but if the setup is anything like previous years, I just don't see it being an option (outdated rosters don't help either).
Master league is pretty much the same as last year as far as I can tell. The only real addition is that you 'scout' players by putting them on your list and seeing what chance you have to sign them. Also keeps last year popularity grades for teams and players.fanatic wrote:I'm not sure what the Masters League is like this year, but if the setup is anything like previous years, I just don't see it being an option (outdated rosters don't help either).
I have always found ML to be a great escape from the outdated rosters in PES though, because after a season or two the CPU transfers players and the rosters become unrealistic anyway.
Good point. Would probably be fun to take a mediocre team and working you way to the top. Every kid dreams of winning the Masters League cup for North London right?Naples39 wrote:Master league is pretty much the same as last year as far as I can tell. The only real addition is that you 'scout' players by putting them on your list and seeing what chance you have to sign them. Also keeps last year popularity grades for teams and players.fanatic wrote:I'm not sure what the Masters League is like this year, but if the setup is anything like previous years, I just don't see it being an option (outdated rosters don't help either).
I have always found ML to be a great escape from the outdated rosters in PES though, because after a season or two the CPU transfers players and the rosters become unrealistic anyway.
Personally I prefer starting from scratch in the ML, with the Konami default players. They are absolutely terrible. This year I did partially cheat by doing the custom team option, giving you 1000 points to spend on free agents before the season starts.
Konami can't run with FIFA in terms of real leagues and stuff, so I go down the fantasy route completely with a fictional team name, uniforms, and a team built from scratch. I thought I would be bored of this by now, but every year I keep coming back to do it again in the latest PES.
Of course you could also start with Tottenham (I mean North London), but their default fake uniforms are fugly and you should win promotion pretty easily after your first season. I just finished my first ML season on 4 star difficulty---1 win (on the 2nd to last game of year), 14 ties, and 7 losses.
Konami can't run with FIFA in terms of real leagues and stuff, so I go down the fantasy route completely with a fictional team name, uniforms, and a team built from scratch. I thought I would be bored of this by now, but every year I keep coming back to do it again in the latest PES.
Of course you could also start with Tottenham (I mean North London), but their default fake uniforms are fugly and you should win promotion pretty easily after your first season. I just finished my first ML season on 4 star difficulty---1 win (on the 2nd to last game of year), 14 ties, and 7 losses.
Sounds like a challenge...I can see the appeal for sure. My only thing is that I've never gotten into roster management in sports games (even in baseball games and I'm a complete stat head). I'm not sure what it is - maybe I just can't be bothered trying to sort through the stat menus, etc...but I always prefer to play a single season with various clubs - this way I get the variety of playing with different teams (of different abilities and in different leagues).Naples39 wrote:Personally I prefer starting from scratch in the ML, with the Konami default players. They are absolutely terrible. This year I did partially cheat by doing the custom team option, giving you 1000 points to spend on free agents before the season starts.
Konami can't run with FIFA in terms of real leagues and stuff, so I go down the fantasy route completely with a fictional team name, uniforms, and a team built from scratch. I thought I would be bored of this by now, but every year I keep coming back to do it again in the latest PES.
Of course you could also start with Tottenham (I mean North London), but their default fake uniforms are fugly and you should win promotion pretty easily after your first season. I just finished my first ML season on 4 star difficulty---1 win (on the 2nd to last game of year), 14 ties, and 7 losses.
It probably comes down to just having too many games to play. If I had to manage rosters for every sports game, I'd hardly make it through a single season
I can see the concerns about roster management. The good thing about soccer is that it's pretty simple, with small rosters, unlike say baseball or football.
It's also much more satisfying to find a bargain on a key player or replace those miserable stiffs you start out with ASAP. Like I started FIFA 09 manager mode with Tottenham and started with 40m pounds to spend. In PES having that much money to blow is your reward after 2 or 3 successful seasons. Starting with that I wasn't sure what to do with myself.
PES ML is pretty addictive so I suggest you try it sometime to see if it's up your alley.
It's also much more satisfying to find a bargain on a key player or replace those miserable stiffs you start out with ASAP. Like I started FIFA 09 manager mode with Tottenham and started with 40m pounds to spend. In PES having that much money to blow is your reward after 2 or 3 successful seasons. Starting with that I wasn't sure what to do with myself.
PES ML is pretty addictive so I suggest you try it sometime to see if it's up your alley.
Naples, play Be A Legend (or whatever the hell it's called), not as good as the Japanese equivalent (your stats increase slightly quicker and there are far less teams and divisions) but it's still an incredible experience. Blows EA Sports' B.A.P out of the water.
Anyone have this for PS3? The custom/user-made kits are sick.
Anyone have this for PS3? The custom/user-made kits are sick.
You weren't joking with Be a Legend....Macca00 wrote:Naples, play Be A Legend (or whatever the hell it's called), not as good as the Japanese equivalent (your stats increase slightly quicker and there are far less teams and divisions) but it's still an incredible experience. Blows EA Sports' B.A.P out of the water.
Anyone have this for PS3? The custom/user-made kits are sick.
Mind you, I've only played through my scouting match, but the gameplay camera is abolutely fantastic. Really gives you a better sense of space on the pitch compared to the regular "Normal Long" or "Wide" which are still good, but not like this one.
It could also be the lower rated players, but the game pace seemed much more sim like as well. I was having a great time getting myself in position, making tackles, etc....