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JackB1 wrote:You are taking what I said too literally and blowing it out of proportion. I am just saying they go hand and hand with each other. Who do you think would more likely mug you in a dark alley....person #1, who could care less about the environment and the world around him, or person #2, who treats the planet and the world around him with respect?
First off, like PK, I find it pretty shocking that you really believe that someone who doesn't share a passion for the environment is more likely to steal and/or assault people.

Even if we assume that premise is true (which I am not conceding), correlation is not causation. More likely, there is something in the personality of environmentalists that causes them to be sympathetic people in general, environmentalism just being one manifestation of their personality. Perhaps kindness and gentility is another manifestation of the same character trait. Either way, the fact that they care for the environment is not causing them to be less likely to steal.

Lastly, as a general note, I think your tone has become pretty condescending. I don't want to gang up on you or throw s*** all over the place, but my impression of your common thread between your posts is that your think of your own views as enlightened, and people that disagree with you simply are ignorant, blinded by religion, or bullheaded. I think you need to give a little more credit to the people you are arguing with, and maybe the discussions would remain a little more civil. This is particularly ironic considering you are the one continually espousing the view that if we just treated the environment and each other with more respect many great issues such as poverty and war would go away.
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ScoopBrady wrote: You said treat the planet better and we'll treat each other better. I'm saying we treated each other the same way we do now before there were any environmental concerns. If there was plentiful food and plentiful oil people would fight about something else. They always have. Quit putting the planet in front of the people living on it.
You are taking what I said too literally and blowing it out of proportion. I am just saying they go hand and hand with each other. Who do you think would more likely mug you in a dark alley....person #1, who could care less about the environment and the world around him, or person #2, who treats the planet and the world around him with respect?

You are taking what I said to the extreme just for the sake of winning your argument. I was just making a general point. You seem like you are just looking to win an argument.
How am I supposed to interpret your meaning other than literally? Remember, I are two stoopid four this convursayshun. Yu sad so yursalf.

Look Jack, when I get called out for being stupid from somebody whose head is so far up his ass that he can map out his anal cavity from memory I get just a touch jumpy. I've never seen someone so unaware of the comments they make and how they can be misconstrued by different people. If you're going to call me out for being stupid bring something more to the table than what you did. And are you kidding me with this: "Who do you think would more likely mug you in a dark alley....person #1, who could care less about the environment and the world around him, or person #2, who treats the planet and the world around him with respect?"

What's next? Who do you think would be more likely to molest a child... person #1, who could care less about the environment and the world around him, or person #2, a priest that treats the planet and the world around him with respect?

Why won't you acknowledge that people did evil things way before the environment was even an issue and would continue to do them if there were no environmental issues?
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Lets get this straight.....

#1) I already said about a dozen replies back, that I didn't mean to call anyone "stupid" (which I never said BTW) or anyone else "not smart",
so everyone can stop bringing that up again and again. I already explained what I meant, so please give that up already.

#2) I never claimed to be smarter than anyone else here

This thread has gone in so many different directions my head is spinning.
I should have known that bringing up Live Earth would start a debate on Global Warming. I just wanted to bring up some nice, little pointers I saw during the show and everything got way out of control. Case in point why I should stay away from these topics.
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Spooky wrote:I'm just waiting for this to somehow turn into an iPhone thread so I can be included.

Is the iPhone environmentally friendly?
Well Gore is on the Apple board. If he got options or stock from at least a couple of years ago, his gains from that would make whatever money he might make from carbon credits look like pocket change.

Probably worth more than royalties from An Inconvenient Truth too.
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Not that this has anything to do with anything, but President Bush had lunch at Slyman's today, one of my favorite places for lunch! (A Cleveland landmark, best corned beef sandwiches you'll ever have! Humungous! About the size of half a basketball. Every time you go you get your card stamped... every 10 sandwiches you get a free angioplasty!)

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I thought Metallica was pretty good, but they played one too many songs from the black album.
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JackB1 wrote:Case in point why I should stay away from these topics.
The only thing you've said that I agree with in this thread. And do you ever think the only reason people won't lay off and continue to bring it up even though you've already 'apologized' is the fact that this same thing happens with you all the time? If it was a one-time thing people would let it go but since it is a common recurrence you deserve all of it. I, for one, don't buy your whole act of offending people with generalizations and not understanding what you're saying only to apologize later. That act is getting very old.

Your broad generalizations on these forums have ranged from all soldiers just want to kill to all non-environmentalists are much more likely to commit crimes. Of all people here who should stay out of OT political topics it is you.

I'm going to do my best to take your advice for what you should do with db and just ignore you in these political threads.
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It might just be that Gore gets coverage because he's built some good will with his presentations all over the world since 2000, not just because he was VP.

Because can you imagine Cheaney getting as much coverage? Certainly a lot of hate.

As for African children, the best thing to be done is to try to convince people there to have fewer of them, since there aren't enough Hollywood celebrities to adopt them and give them a good life.

Other than the lucky few, they face a grim life, including, if the scientists' projections are accurate, even more severe droughts combined with inundation of coastal areas.

BTW, I believe there is a field of evolutionary psychology which holds that competition for resources does engender bellicose behavior. So an extrapolation from this would be that as arable lands and potable water become more scarce, there will be more strife.
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lexbur wrote:Not that this has anything to do with anything, but President Bush had lunch at Slyman's today, one of my favorite places for lunch! (A Cleveland landmark, best corned beef sandwiches you'll ever have! Humungous! About the size of half a basketball. Every time you go you get your card stamped... every 10 sandwiches you get a free angioplasty!)

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2007/ ... iches.html
I hope the Secret Service used bovine bucks to buy those sandwiches. After all, cattle was killed to make that sandwich, and we have to ensure there's a balance between the livestock we kill for food and those we raise.

:)

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wco81 wrote:It might just be that Gore gets coverage because he's built some good will with his presentations all over the world since 2000, not just because he was VP.

Because can you imagine Cheaney getting as much coverage? Certainly a lot of hate.
Let's do the math: Gore is trumping the environment, a cause dear to the heart of the entertainment industry, which is dominated by liberals. Gore also has used the media to pump his causes, which other than Fox News and some right-wing publications, is primarily an entity run by liberals.

So it's not exactly rocket science why a former VP who trumps a cause cherished by the left gets love from Hollywood and the media as opposed to Cheney.

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JackB1 wrote: You are taking what I said too literally and blowing it out of proportion. I am just saying they go hand and hand with each other. Who do you think would more likely mug you in a dark alley....person #1, who could care less about the environment and the world around him, or person #2, who treats the planet and the world around him with respect?
I'm pretty sure the unibomber was living the environmentalist life, being holed up in a secluded shack (without electiricity) in the woods.

Besides, person #1 would never be in an alley, because building one would mean cutting down a forest :)
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ScoopBrady wrote: Look Jack, when I get called out for being stupid from somebody whose head is so far up his ass that he can map out his anal cavity from memory I get just a touch jumpy.
My, My, how clever you are with your insults. And show me exactly where I called you "stupid"?


That's funny coming from someone who says stuff like.....

"I fully and truly believe that the environment should be last in a long line of things to give a s*** about"

"I guarantee we won't screw it up beyond self repair"

"The only thing we'll end up doing is making it a little more difficult for future humans"

Talk about having your head up your ass? Yours has been lodged in there for so long, your sh*t has to make an appointment to come out. You may be other things, but stupid you're not. Anyone that can come up with "you can map out your anal cavity from memory" is definitely deserves some credit. Come to think of it, that might come in handy. Instead of going to the proctologist, I'll just call him and describe to him what I see! Thanks Scoop!
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wco81 wrote: BTW, I believe there is a field of evolutionary psychology which holds that competition for resources does engender bellicose behavior. So an extrapolation from this would be that as arable lands and potable water become more scarce, there will be more strife.

Lets see some bellicose behavior ...

So Global warming explains the Spanish Inquisition? the burning of 60,000 people as witches in euorope from 1450-1750?The 150,000 Armenians marched to death in 1915? The Holocaust?...

The list of historical atrocities cimmited by man against man that have nothing to do to with this topic goes on infinitum...

Global warming due to man may exist , that I wont argue ...but that dude is just a load of f***in crap...
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pk500 wrote:So, are we really running out of oil?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16288769/site/newsweek/

I agree that it would be good, for the environment and politically, for the U.S. to wean itself from fossil fuels. But it doesn't appear that we're going to run out of oil any time soon.

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All that article really says is that little is know about how much oil is really left and of that, how much is "get-able". Even if there is more than enough oil, we really need to get away from petrolium based fuels.
More CO2 emmission is not something we need more of.
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matthewk wrote:
JackB1 wrote: Besides, person #1 would never be in an alley, because building one would mean cutting down a forest :)
I read somewhere that the unibomber had a HUGE carbon footprint!! :D

just curious...how do you "build" an alley? :?
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greggsand wrote: Hell, if the next Republican candidate actually believes in science over "hocus pocus & one-on-one talks with Jesus", I'd probably give him a long look. It's scary when the leader of the country admits he doesn't read newspapers.
Looks like Bush has been having more heart to hearts with the the man upstairs. In his speech today (In Cleveland) he said this:
"Universal freedom is a gift from the "ALMIGHTY".
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Never said competition for resources explains ALL bellicose behavior.

No doubt the Roman Empire just wanted to take over the known world.

Nor did I say that global warming is the only cause for scarcity of resources.
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pk500 wrote:
wco81 wrote:It might just be that Gore gets coverage because he's built some good will with his presentations all over the world since 2000, not just because he was VP.

Because can you imagine Cheaney getting as much coverage? Certainly a lot of hate.
Let's do the math: Gore is trumping the environment, a cause dear to the heart of the entertainment industry, which is dominated by liberals. Gore also has used the media to pump his causes, which other than Fox News and some right-wing publications, is primarily an entity run by liberals.

So it's not exactly rocket science why a former VP who trumps a cause cherished by the left gets love from Hollywood and the media as opposed to Cheney.
I was wondering how long it would take PK to bring up "liberal" & "media". Not too shabby, the over/under was page 3...

Get ready for some O'Reilly-lite!
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greggsand wrote:I was wondering how long it would take PK to bring up "liberal" & "media". Not too shabby, the over/under was page 3...

Get ready for some O'Reilly-lite!
Have you worked either in or with the media daily for the last 19 years? I have, and it's not a myth that the media in the United States is controlled by largely liberal interests. That doesn't make it better or worse than a media controlled by conservative interests, despite the little Republican box into which you try to deposit me.

Funny, I've never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in my life, yet I've voted in every presidential election since 1984. I think I've watched FOX News for a whopping total of 10 minutes this year.

Surprised?

In fact, it's a shame that the media isn't more aggressive with the Bush Administration, which is heading down the slippery slope as one of the three worst administrations in U.S. history, heading toward the worst.

Instead, the media was much more aggressive with Clinton because he couldn't keep his pants on, which is quite an indictment of the U.S. media. Fellatio sells better and gets better ratings than the first pre-emptive war in American history and soldiers in the field, and Bush must have better PR team.

Finally, it's pretty humorous how you're able to place people into tidy little political boxes and make snide remarks. I call it lurker lite, where you have a comment about everything to which you object but lack the balls to lay out your concrete stances on the same positions.

I'm assuming that you're on the left side of the spectrum, but who the hell knows? Why add any substance to the discussion when you can add that slick, l.a. (sic) veneer that's just so damn self-satisfying?

Bravo.

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PK said:
"Have you worked either in or with the media daily for the last 19 years?"

14 years & counting!

Pk said:
"I'm assuming that you're on the left side of the spectrum, but who the hell knows? Why add any substance to the discussion when you can add that slick, l.a. (sic) veneer that's just so damn self-satisfying? "

I must be on the left - I work in Hollywood.

It is a surprise u never voted for a Republican President (I did once or twice) - so was it Gore or Naader? Anywhoo, I just don't get the whole liberal media thing. If Hollywood goes after Bush, well there goes that liberal media again! If they let Bush slide (post 9-11), they get slammed for snoozing on the job. If some celeb sings the praises of a Dem candidate, then they are "in bed" with the entertainment industry. There's no way they can win(other than making s-loads of cash).

Despite the self-gratification, I will try to keep my personal attacks to sniping chumps in Rainbow Six. It's all good.
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"Funny, I've never voted for a Republican presidential candidate in my life"

Neither have I and people consider me to be some radical republican.

"so was it Gore or Naader?"


my guess would be neither. My legos tell me it was Harry Browne.
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greggsand wrote:PK said:
"Have you worked either in or with the media daily for the last 19 years?"

14 years & counting!
Got five years on you! The news media or the entertainment biz? The lines are more blurred than ever!
greggsand wrote:I must be on the left - I work in Hollywood.
Not if you're Chuck Heston, Ben Stein or Tom Selleck. :)
greggsand wrote:It is a surprise u never voted for a Republican President (I did once or twice) - so was it Gore or Naader?
1984: Mondale
1988: Dukakis (puts head in paper bag in shame)
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1996: Browne
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greggsand wrote:Anywhoo, I just don't get the whole liberal media thing. If Hollywood goes after Bush, well there goes that liberal media again! If they let Bush slide (post 9-11), they get slammed for snoozing on the job. If some celeb sings the praises of a Dem candidate, then they are "in bed" with the entertainment industry. There's no way they can win(other than making s-loads of cash).
This is true. But when I say liberal media, I'm not always referring to Hollywood. I'm saying that a vast majority of those who work in the media biz tend to lean toward socially active government and left-leaning causes like pro-choice, the environment, gun control, etc., etc. The exception to that is talk radio, which is sadly ruled by the right and has had way too much influence on the political debate in this country, especially considering the majority of political talk radio hosts are idiots.
greggsand wrote:Despite the self-gratification, I will try to keep my personal attacks to sniping chumps in Rainbow Six. It's all good.
Same here. I'm always up for debate, but it was hard to do more than guess where you stood on issues and their particulars. I try to be pretty transparent -- warts, inconsistencies, lunacies and all. :)

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pk500 wrote:I try to be pretty transparent -- warts, inconsistencies, lunacies and all.
We all know about the lunacy part - working for Tony George and all that :twisted:
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pk500 wrote:

1988: Dukakis (puts head in paper bag in shame)
Bastard!...Its a Greek thing isnt it?
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