There it is, $500

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Wed May 10, 2006 11:28 pm

jondiehl wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
jondiehl wrote: Keep sipping your Sony Kool-aid. Maybe 3yrs ago, when the Xbox was a new kid on the block, "Playstation" meant any video game. But not now. Everyone knows what a Xbox is. What game console did they play the Madden championship on at the Super Bowl? Not the PS2!
I've noticed in the last year and a half that the mainstream media is using the term XBOX to describe videogaming. Sort of like they use to use nintendo, and later playstation years back.
Absolutely. In fact, I can recall from various movies and TV shows in the last couple of years, seeing Xbox S-controllers, not PS2 dual shock's in actor's hands that were supposed to be playing a video game .

I've been seeing a lot of 360 controllers in commercials and tv shows lately. I haven't seen a PS2 controller in a tv show in over a year I'd say.

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Thu May 11, 2006 8:02 am

ScoopBrady wrote:
jondiehl wrote:
Inuyasha wrote: I've noticed in the last year and a half that the mainstream media is using the term XBOX to describe videogaming. Sort of like they use to use nintendo, and later playstation years back.
Absolutely. In fact, I can recall from various movies and TV shows in the last couple of years, seeing Xbox S-controllers, not PS2 dual shock's in actor's hands that were supposed to be playing a video game .
I've been seeing a lot of 360 controllers in commercials and tv shows lately. I haven't seen a PS2 controller in a tv show in over a year I'd say.

Another sign that loyalties are shifting is last year marked the first year the Madden Challenge wasn't played on the PS2. I was very surprised to see that the entire tournament from start to finish was played on the Xbox.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu May 11, 2006 8:12 am

Wrong thread. Sorry. That's what happens when you have five seven Firefox tabs open, each with a different DSP thread!

Take care,
PK

TRI · Post by **TRI** » Thu May 11, 2006 12:46 pm

I am interested in the PS3 because I enjoy video baseball games and MLB THE SHOW could be a great game. The price is very high for a game console but I might buy one possibly next spring but certainly not at launch. It is sad that Sony often over promises and they love hype encouraging people to perceive that the PS3 is much more powerful than it really is.

Gurantsu · Post by **Gurantsu** » Thu May 11, 2006 12:49 pm

TRI wrote:I am interested in the PS3 because I enjoy video baseball games and MLB THE SHOW could be a great game. The price is very high for a game console but I might buy one possibly next spring but certainly not at launch. It is sad that Sony often over promises and they love hype encouraging people to perceive that the PS3 is much more powerful than it really is.

It is a shame, because they have great systems that really don't need to be over hyped. I don't know why they feel the need to do it, and also consistantly bash their competitors. Let the unit stand for itself, and it will do fine.

Of course this is coming from a guy who sold his PS2 to help pay for his 360!

DivotMaker · Post by **DivotMaker** » Thu May 11, 2006 1:11 pm

TRI wrote:It is sad that Sony often over promises and they love hype encouraging people to perceive that the PS3 is much more powerful than it really is.

Could not agree more. To me, it is amazing how very close the 360 and PS3 are in terms of raw CPU and GPU horsepower. I give the edge to the PS3 on the CPU because of the "Cell" processor, but the 3.2 Ghz triple core CPU of the 360 is more than adequate and should be able to holds its own for the forseeable future.

I give the GPU nod to the 360 because it was specifically designed with unified pixel shading pipelines in the GPU and will likely be a slightly bettert choice for developers who lean towards pixel shading in their titles. The 360 GPU will also make it very easy to port 360>Windows Vista and Windows Vista>360 titles. It will take time to see this impact, but it could be a HUGE advantage for the 360.

The GPU in the PS3 (RSX) is no slouch. It is based off of the nVidia 7800 GTX and will be quite capable. To me, the graphics performance gap between the two machines will be minimal to none, IMHO.

It will be interesting however, to see if Sony can make good on their claim of every game being 1080p at 60 fps as well as their claim of 100% backward compatibility.....

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:21 pm

I just saw the ps3 controller and was surprised that it was a upgraded dual shock. What happened to that funky controller they were advertising for ps3 that looked like a boomerang?

Did they revert back to the Dual Shock design or am I missing something?

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:38 pm

Everyone hated the boomerang controller. So maybe Sony played it safe, and honestly there's nothing wrong with the dual controller.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:43 pm

Inuyasha wrote:I just saw the ps3 controller and was surprised that it was a upgraded dual shock. What happened to that funky controller they were advertising for ps3 that looked like a boomerang?

Did they revert back to the Dual Shock design or am I missing something?

The boomerang design was never final, and especially after the negative reaction it got after it was shown last year many assumed they would come up with something else. I was surprised that it looked *exactly* the same, but not surprised that they kept the same basic form factor and control layout.

I've talked to some people who were at the show and they were pretty impressed with the great graphics of the Warhawk demo and the way it controlled... thought it had a lot of possibilities. Even though the Nintendo and M$ fanboys would have one believe that Sony is copying the Wii, in fact they have been working on these ideas for quite some time starting with the Eye Toy. Note the date on the link:

http://sony.gamerfeed.com/gf/news/4815/

I remember another story in 2004 or 2005 that talked about controller possibilities that was pretty much exactly as was seen with Warhawk... trying to find it in the Google cache.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:46 pm

The only downside to the dual shocks is the fact that it doesn't have analog triggers. It is really difficult to go back to the PS2 to play racing games after using the Xbox/Xbox360 controller.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:54 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:The only downside to the dual shocks is the fact that it doesn't have analog triggers. It is really difficult to go back to the PS2 to play racing games after using the Xbox/Xbox360 controller.

Ask... and you shall receive! L2 and R2 are now both analog.

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?sid=6149586

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:26 pm

Kazuya wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote:The only downside to the dual shocks is the fact that it doesn't have analog triggers. It is really difficult to go back to the PS2 to play racing games after using the Xbox/Xbox360 controller.
Ask... and you shall receive! L2 and R2 are now both analog.

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?sid=6149586

Ahh...much better.

Badgun · Post by **Badgun** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:28 pm

10spro wrote:Everyone hated the boomerang controller. So maybe Sony played it safe, and honestly there's nothing wrong with the dual controller.

Not until you hold a 360 controller, then you realize how small and cheap feeling the dual shock is.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:37 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:
Kazuya wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote:The only downside to the dual shocks is the fact that it doesn't have analog triggers. It is really difficult to go back to the PS2 to play racing games after using the Xbox/Xbox360 controller.
Ask... and you shall receive! L2 and R2 are now both analog.

http://www.gamespot.com/e3/e3story.html?sid=6149586
Ahh...much better.

YAY!!!

Its about Damn time...... It should have been on the PS2 controller especially since Sony has sold quite a few consoles with Gran Turismo...It is what kept Me from enjoying GT4...Once you go analog you can never go back...

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:41 pm

Badgun wrote:
10spro wrote:Everyone hated the boomerang controller. So maybe Sony played it safe, and honestly there's nothing wrong with the dual controller.
Not until you hold a 360 controller, then you realize how small and cheap feeling the dual shock is.

The PS3 controllers are suppose to be lighter than the PS2 controllers. So it will feel even cheaper. Hopefully they make the price of the extra ones cheaper but if MS is able to charge $50, Sony will probably try to get at least that much as well.

It doesn't seem like a big deal but I couldn't easily adjust to an Xbox controller because of the reversed positions of the left thumbstick to the D-Pad compared to the DS2. I see the reason why they did it but maybe I'm too used to the DS layout to adapt to the Controller S in a couple of hours.

TRI · Post by **TRI** » Fri May 12, 2006 12:37 am

One thing I do not like is that they removed the rumble feature from the controller. Not good at all.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Fri May 12, 2006 12:45 am

TRI wrote:One thing I do not like is that they removed the rumble feature from the controller. Not good at all.

Its give and take.
Why would you want to have it all?

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:18 am

Rumble is an essential part of the racing game experience for me, especially rally games. Assists in collision detection, determining when you're on rumble strips instead of asphalt, etc., etc. Rumble adds to the "seat of the pants" nature of a racing game for me.

Take care,
PK

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:39 am

And Sony's excuse for removing the rumble, that it interferes with the motion sensing, is complete BS since the Wii controller has a rumble function.

Think it has anything to do with that lawsuit they lost?

At least the new controller does have triggers.

Gamecocks625 · Post by **Gamecocks625** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:41 am

Guys, sorry for the ignorant question, but does the 360 have rumble in its controller? I'm totally curious, because I like the rumble feature and am considering getting a 360 now after seeing E3. Gracias.

jondiehl · Post by **jondiehl** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:47 am

Gamecocks625 wrote:Guys, sorry for the ignorant question, but does the 360 have rumble in its controller? I'm totally curious, because I like the rumble feature and am considering getting a 360 now after seeing E3. Gracias.

Absolutely. I don't use it so much in sports games, but with stuff like COD2, GRAW, etc it gets alot of use.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Fri May 12, 2006 9:18 am

dbdynsty25 wrote:The only downside to the dual shocks is the fact that it doesn't have analog triggers. It is really difficult to go back to the PS2 to play racing games after using the Xbox/Xbox360 controller.

The analog sticks are not good for precise aiming. So they're perfectly fine in Winning Eleven, Devil May Cry 3, and even Outrun 2006. But for FPS games or something like RE 4, the sloppy sticks on the Dual Shock are a significant drawback.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Fri May 12, 2006 10:12 am

Dave wrote:And Sony's excuse for removing the rumble, that it interferes with the motion sensing, is complete BS since the Wii controller has a rumble function.

Think it has anything to do with that lawsuit they lost?

At least the new controller does have triggers.

I'm pretty sure it does have partly to do with the lawsuit.

Apparently, Immersion settled with MS for a reasonable amount of money but probably would have wanted a lot more from the market leader.

BTW, maybe my DS2 is broken but I don't get any rumble when I play Madden online. That or it's disabled for online games.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Fri May 12, 2006 10:15 am

wco81 wrote:Apparently, Immersion settled with MS for a reasonable amount of money but probably would have wanted a lot more from the market leader.

I think part of the settlement was that MS invested in the company and became a part-owner. Probably doubtful that Sony would get a good licensing deal in that case.

Here are some good Krazy Ken Kutaragi quotes (from engadget):

Kutaragi has reportedly stated that the pricing of the PS3 is "probably too cheap," and he likens the console to a fine dining experience, saying that it's nonsense "to compare the charge for dinner at the company cafeteria with dinner at a fine restaurant."

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Fri May 12, 2006 10:41 am

F*ck, I am sicker than ever this year of the E3 hype. It's all horsesh*t, all the time, from all directions.

In fact, that should be the unofficial motto of E3: "All bullsh*t, all the time."

I'm tuning out of E3 completely and would just like to play a game of Rugby 06 right now.

Take care,
PK