NFL Season 2011-2012

[Rodster]

I seriously DON'T want Flynn. That will be a big mistake or at least the potential for it. I say let Moore go into Camp as the preferred starter this is his last year on his contract. Let him play this year and see if he gets better. I have a better feeling of Moore than Flynn.

[dbdynsty25]

I seriously DON'T want Flynn. That will be a big mistake or at least the potential for it. I say let Moore go into Camp as the preferred starter this is his last year on his contract. Let him play this year and see if he gets better. I have a better feeling of Moore than Flynn.

Ohhhh...because of all the games you've seen Flynn play in right? All of two starts in the NFL (and he was RIDICULOUSLY good). You make no sense bro. You know what Matt Moore is, an average NFL Quarterback...he's not a SB QB in this day and age of offense. Yeah, he was better than Henne but that's not saying much. Flynn has a much higher ceiling, especially working with Philbin who he's already familiar with. Pay the man.

[Rodster]

I seriously DON'T want Flynn. That will be a big mistake or at least the potential for it. I say let Moore go into Camp as the preferred starter this is his last year on his contract. Let him play this year and see if he gets better. I have a better feeling of Moore than Flynn.

Ohhhh...because of all the games you've seen Flynn play in right? All of two starts in the NFL (and he was RIDICULOUSLY good). You make no sense bro. You know what Matt Moore is, an average NFL Quarterback...he's not a SB QB in this day and age of offense. Yeah, he was better than Henne but that's not saying much. Flynn has a much higher ceiling, especially working with Philbin who he's already familiar with. Pay the man.

Right TWO games, and he was playing with a sweet team the Packers. I'm leery of these QB's who show minimal promise and are promoted to Superstar status. I'm skeptical because of Coaches like Cam Cameron bringing in Trent Green because he was his guy.

Maybe Flynn is the next Aaron Rodgers, maybe he's not but 2 solid games is not enough to put the franchise in his hands. Like I said Matt Moore played well last year and didn't cost that much. I'd rather the Dolphins spend that money on draft talent on the offensive side of the ball and see if Moore improves on his skills.

[Diablo25]

Eagles resign DeSean Jackson for five years, $51 million. That does not seem like a wise use of money.

I'm not a D Jax fan but it's not a horrible deal. "only" $15 million is guaranteed. He definitely brings a unique dimension to the offense.

Love the Cole signing (well, extension). He is a beast.

[Rodster]

Chad Henne signs with the Jags.

[lexbur]

Apparently the Browns are cool with 4-12.

[TCrouch]

Maybe Flynn is the next Aaron Rodgers, maybe he's not but 2 solid games is not enough to put the franchise in his hands. Like I said Matt Moore played well last year and didn't cost that much. I'd rather the Dolphins spend that money on draft talent on the offensive side of the ball and see if Moore improves on his skills.

I understand that rationale from your perspective. What you have to remember is that the new coach dealt with the kid every single day in practice. he knows his work ethic inside and out. He knows his ability more than you and I ever will. You may have seen 2 games, but the coach has seen him make 20,000 throws and reads.

If he determines that he's good enough to stick his neck out for him and bring him to town to put the franchise in his hands, it's silly to think that any fan would know better because of the two games he saw. I'm no Dolphins fan, but I saw Henne and Moore a lot. I saw Flynn a little, and I would take that in a heartbeat. You stick Moore or Henne on the Packers, you think THEY put up the points and stats that Flynn did? I have my doubts--and likely, so does Philbin since he's looking to upgrade.

[Rodster]

My problem with Flynn and the Miami Dolphins is desperation. They hired Philbin because Fisher said NO. They decided on Philbin because of Flynn. So the two are tied at the hip. What if this is a Cam Cameron/Trent Green scenario in the making? Matt Cassel was supposed to be the next Tom Brady and the Chiefs threw a lot of money at him.

He's a good QB but fans were looking for his replacement. Ryan Fitzpatrick got tons of money and because of his performance prior to his contract. last year wasn't so good.

And yesterday db made valid points on why a good coach should adapt to his players and not solely rely his system. Then it should apply in the NFL as well. I say the Dolphins have decent QB in Moore who did a nice job and I would like to see if he gets better, gets worse or stays the same. It's year 2 for Matt it's your gig. Lets see if you can up your game. Besides it's not costing the Dolphins anymore money because he was signed to a 2 year deal. That is smart money management. But we are talking about the Dolphins so forget that.

If not there are good QB's in next years draft where they can do extensive study if they fit the Dolphins. Right now the team needs tons of help especially after they traded BM. How about a stud WR in this years draft and see what Moore can do with that?

[wco81]

Flynn is going to be a good QB for somebody.

[Rodster]

Flynn is going to be a good QB for somebody.

So is Matt Moore.

The Dolphins are under the impression that Flynn is an Elite QB i.e. another Aaron Rodgers waiting to happen. That's the unknown?

[dbdynsty25]

Matt Moore is average. That's just fact. He's started 20 something games. You know what you're getting. I have ZERO idea why you want to give the team to Moore, Rod. It makes zero sense from a fan standpoint. There is no upside at all...average is average. At least w/ Flynn there is a chance for stardom (albeit not a huge chance, but better than ZERO).

[Rodster]

Matt Moore is average. That's just fact. He's started 20 something games. You know what you're getting. I have ZERO idea why you want to give the team to Moore, Rod. It makes zero sense from a fan standpoint. There is no upside at all...average is average. At least w/ Flynn there is a chance for stardom (albeit not a huge chance, but better than ZERO).

That's my problem right there and you even admit it. It's not costing the Dolphins any money to keep Moore this year. IF he improves great. If he as you say gets stuck on average, then draft a QB next year.

The Dolphins have moore needs, sorry for the pun than QB right now. Fill those holes with a stud WR to compliment the running game then add a QB and hope he's the next Aaron Rodgers and not Mark Sanchez.

[TCrouch]

So you put a bunch of top-pick money into a gamble at QB the next year, instead of a guy who's learned how to prepare in the NFL already for a few years, and made the most of his opportunities already? At least the top choices aren't as big of an investment as they used to be (thanks, JaMarcus Russell--your lasting legacy on the league!!!), so it's not like they'd invest a bunch of money in the QB. Not to mention, you may get 5 games into the season and find out that Moore is exactly what everybody thought he was...then you're just playing out the slate for the rest of the season and wasting an entire year when you had the potential to upgrade the position immediately.

But where's this guarantee that they'll pick up a "stud WR" in the draft? Those are pretty tough to find, too. I mean, no matter which plan you take, it has holes in it. So when dealing with the game's most important position, I'd roll the dice on a guy who at least knows what's going on right now in the NFL instead of waiting a year and then another one (or two) while the new kid learns.

[Rodster]

Yeah T, I would. I prefer not to tie up money on a guy who's played twice as a starter. The Dolphins still have a lot of holes and need a legit #1 WR on top of closing up the holes on defense.

[dbdynsty25]

That's my problem right there and you even admit it. It's not costing the Dolphins any money to keep Moore this year. IF he improves great. If he as you say gets stuck on average, then draft a QB next year.

The Dolphins have moore needs, sorry for the pun than QB right now. Fill those holes with a stud WR to compliment the running game then add a QB and hope he's the next Aaron Rodgers and not Mark Sanchez.

Wait, what did I admit? That Flynn has a MUCH higher upside than Moore? Yeah, I did. Terry has it right. You are way better off investing in a guy that's been in the league for a few years learning behind one of the best QBs in the league. Kinda like Rodgers did behind Favre for a few years. It's the same situation, and hell, it's the same coach. The odds of getting a stud WR now to go with Moore is practically nil, so that route is pretty poor as well. I just disagree with virtually everything you've said about Moore. The Dolphins will not make the playoffs with him as the QB...especially now that the one WR who could command some double coverage from the defense is gone.

Flynn at least can get in, get his feet wet and if Miami somehow finds a WR, then even better.

And do tell where the holes are on Defense? They were the #6 D in the league last year and their one weakness was nickel corner and they signed one of the most versatile CBs in the league in Marshall yesterday. Signed their own nose tackle and voila...holes filled. They don't need to work on D. It's all offensive line and now WR.

[wco81]

After Luck and RG3, the next best QB prospect is suppose to be Tannehill, who converted from WR.

Next year, Barkley should be one of the top prospects.

I don't know, I think even a backup in the NFL gets better preparation for the NFL than a college QB, especially with gimmicky offenses.

Of course, there is talent differential but what I've seen of Flynn is as much accuracy and timing and almost as much arm strength as any other QB in the league.

And he obviously has studied NFL defenses more than any rookie QB.

He may be the best FA QB since Brees. Cassel got big money but the Chiefs did win the division with him so it's not like he's Scott Mitchell.

If the Dolphins have other needs besides QB, signing Flynn makes more sense, because now they can use their draft picks for those other positions, instead of taking a flyer on the 3rd or 4th or 5th best prospect.

[Rodster]

Secondary was bad, still gave up big plays, corners and safety needs work. And your example regarding Rodgers backing up Favre. Yeah he was their #1 pick and heir apparent to replace Favre whereas Flynn is just there in hopes he can play when Rodgers goes down.

Like I said Flynn could really turn out to be an average QB, a good QB, franchise QB or an Elite QB. I'd go with keeping Moore and adding more pieces to the team and wait till next year.

Oh and I got your package today, thanks !

[dbdynsty25]

Like I said Flynn could really turn out to be an average QB, a good QB, franchise QB or an Elite QB. I'd go with keeping Moore and adding more pieces to the team and wait till next year.

Oh and I got your package today, thanks !

WHICH ARE ALL BETTER THAN MOORE!!!!!!!!!! Holy crap, when are you going to realize that? Flynn isn't going to get Manning money, there are no QB's worth drafting at #8 and anyone after that will take a year or two to develop. You are making my argument for me. There is no "wait till next year" for Steven Ross...he needs to win.

And you're welcome.

[Rodster]

Flynn isn't going to get Manning money

Don't be so sure, remember who's running the FO.

[dbdynsty25]

I know the Bills had to overpay to get anyone to sign there (it is Buffalo after all, no offense PK, okay, offense intended, lol), but 50 mil guaranteed and 6 years 100 mil? Wow. Mario is a rich rich man.

[pk500]

I know the Bills had to overpay to get anyone to sign there (it is Buffalo after all, no offense PK, okay, offense intended, lol), but 50 mil guaranteed and 6 years 100 mil? Wow. Mario is a rich rich man.

Desperation move to make the hinterlands of the NFL relevant for free agents. Old Ralph is throwing around WAY too much money at Fitzpatrick, Johnson and Williams, while not yet extending the contract of the best player on the team, Fred Jackson.

Marvelous.

Still, I'm pretty jazzed about a defensive line that includes The Williams Twins (Mario and Pat) and Marcell Dareus. That's pretty strong, especially considering the Bills' D line was a joke other than Aaron Schobel as recently as two seasons ago.

[Rodster]

As Jimmy Johnson used to say, that's stupid money. Speaking of which Bud Adams has offered Peyton a lifetime contract. Now you see why Jeff Fisher is no longer there.

[Rodster]

Hallelujah the Dolphins are out of the Manning Top 4. What Armando Salguero says sums it up for me as well. I could take Flynn but not give him Franchise money or a Franchise contract. I still remember the A.J. Feeley disaster.

Dolphins eliminated from Manning chase, Flynn visiting
http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins ... visit.html

"Might he become another Kevin Kolb or A.J. Feeley? I suppose that is possible. I worry about that. I assume the Dolphins worry about that. But the fact is he will come to the Dolphins and get a chance to play under a familiar system, for a familiar head coach who was his offensive coordinator the past few years is a comfort.

Having said that, I am hoping the Dolphins protect themselves. It makes zero sense giving Flynn a big contract -- with big contract being defined as high starter money in the $9-$10 million a year range. The truth is the Dolphins balked at giving Kyle Orton this type of deal last year so why give it to someone who is less proven?"

[dbdynsty25]

The truth is the Dolphins balked at giving Kyle Orton this type of deal last year so why give it to someone who is less proven?"[/i]

BECAUSE OF MORE UPSIDE FOR F*CKS SAKE. ORTON is Matt More 1.0 (where Matt is the second version obviously). Competent NFL QB, but not gonna win you a ring...not even close.

To his point about money...they are going to have to pay him starter money. The Seahawks are going to do it (which is where he is visiting now), so you know Miami will have to match to get him to come and I hope they do. Kolb's contract isn't an albatross (like Fitzpatrick's), so they should sign him to something similar and I'd be more than happy at his point. Not sure who he's going to throw to, but that is WHAT I WOULD DO in a heartbeat.

[ScoopBrady]

If there is any team out there that has shown they know a thing or two about the quarterback position it is the Green Bay Packers. Flynn is not a system guy and has shown he can play, albeit it was a small sample size. The Dolphins could do a lot worse plus he showed a lot more in 2 starts then Kolb ever did.