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That was me. Mea culpa, pass me the steaming plate of crow!GTHobbes wrote:Who was it last week that said there seemed to be minimal interest in this matchup outside of people living in Pittsburgh or Arizona? Glad to say I told you so...the TV ratings were through the roof. (Never underestimate the draw of Steeler Nation!)
LoL...thanks, PK. Just be sure to wash that crow down with a six pack of Iron City, and we'll be even.pk500 wrote:That was me. Mea culpa, pass me the steaming plate of crow!GTHobbes wrote:Who was it last week that said there seemed to be minimal interest in this matchup outside of people living in Pittsburgh or Arizona? Glad to say I told you so...the TV ratings were through the roof. (Never underestimate the draw of Steeler Nation!
Take care,
PK
To be fair PK, you were partially correct. If you had just changed "people living in Pittsburgh and Arizona" to "Pittsburgh and Arizona fans", you would have been spot on. I think there really may be that many of us across the country to account for 90% of the viewing audience.pk500 wrote:That was me. Mea culpa, pass me the steaming plate of crow!GTHobbes wrote:Who was it last week that said there seemed to be minimal interest in this matchup outside of people living in Pittsburgh or Arizona? Glad to say I told you so...the TV ratings were through the roof. (Never underestimate the draw of Steeler Nation!
Take care,
PK
That's a great post HipE! Your post perfectly sums up my feelings as well. I stayed up until well after 2:00 watching all the shows and recaps. I've listened to all the interviews and podcasts over the last 2 days and I can't wait to pick up Sports Illustrated, my championship tee, and lots of other trinkets. It would have been fantastic if the Steelers blew away the Cardinals, but the fact that the Steelers are now involved in one of the greatest drives and a couple of the greatest plays in Super Bowl history just makes it all the sweeter.HipE wrote:I'm still sky high two days after the win. I actually took a vacation day yesterday just to sit home and watch all of the sports talk shows all day and bask in the glory of the win.
Was Belinda squeezed in that 9th or what?btmmayor wrote: I've seen the lowest of lows and sat face down, motionless in a pillow for 2 hours before having to report to Disney World at 3 a.m. to take part in a Splash Mountain grand opening celebration, secretly wanting to kill every single person there thanks to Francisco Cabrera. .
Uh, you don't think Tom Brady had great defenses behind him? For the record, in each of his 3 Super Bowl winning years the Patriots ranked 6th, 1st, and 2nd in points allowed all the time having a defensive "mastermind" as the head coach. It's amazing how Tom Terrific couldn't lead his team to playoff victories or the playoffs at all when the defense ranked 17th in points allowed.wco81 wrote:Ben could be perfectly fine being just in the first group, rather than being in both groups, as some like Montana and Brady has been able to accomplish.
But Montana and Brady put up big numbers, including in the Superbowls in the case of Montana.Leebo33 wrote:Uh, you don't think Tom Brady had great defenses behind him? For the record, in each of his 3 Super Bowl winning years the Patriots ranked 6th, 1st, and 2nd in points allowed all the time having a defensive "mastermind" as the head coach. It's amazing how Tom Terrific couldn't lead his team to playoff victories or the playoffs at all when the defense ranked 17th in points allowed.wco81 wrote:Ben could be perfectly fine being just in the first group, rather than being in both groups, as some like Montana and Brady has been able to accomplish.
And in Montana's 10 years in SF, the 49ers finished in the TOP 4 in points allowed 8 times!
'twas the greatest night of my 5 years of watching baseball up until that point. My dad and I LOVE Stan...and Sid of course.btmmayor wrote:Belinda? Belinda? Name doesn't ring a bell. Suddenly my whole face is twitching uncontrollably but I don't think I've ever heard the name before.XXXIV wrote:Was Belinda squeezed in that 9th or what?
Have u seen the difference between Ben & Brady's numbers?? They're nearly the same...wco81 wrote:But Montana and Brady put up big numbers, including in the Superbowls in the case of Montana.Leebo33 wrote:Uh, you don't think Tom Brady had great defenses behind him? For the record, in each of his 3 Super Bowl winning years the Patriots ranked 6th, 1st, and 2nd in points allowed all the time having a defensive "mastermind" as the head coach. It's amazing how Tom Terrific couldn't lead his team to playoff victories or the playoffs at all when the defense ranked 17th in points allowed.wco81 wrote:Ben could be perfectly fine being just in the first group, rather than being in both groups, as some like Montana and Brady has been able to accomplish.
And in Montana's 10 years in SF, the 49ers finished in the TOP 4 in points allowed 8 times!
wco81 wrote:Explain how they're "nearly the same":
http://www.nfl.com/players/tombrady/car ... =BRA371156
http://www.nfl.com/players/benroethlisb ... =ROE750381
Brady has twice as many TDs in 113 games vs. Ben's 72 games.
And Ben has 69 ints. vs 86 for Brady, who has almosst twice as many pass attempts.
These career stats do not include playoffs though.
Here are Peyton's career stats. Look at all the 4000 yard seasons (Ben doesn't have any yet):
http://www.nfl.com/players/peytonmannin ... =MAN515097
Ben may end up with more Superbowls than either Brady or Manning. But he's not going to come close to their numbers.
Which should be fine for many fans.
I think Marino still holds many of the all-time numbers. For a long time, Fran Tarkenton held them but he like Marino never won a championship.
I thought we were talking about overall stats that define QB's, not just passing TD's. My bad, carry on...wco81 wrote:Brady has had 7 full seasons. He would have had 8 if he wasn't injured in the first game of this past seasons.
So lets see if Rothlisberger reaches 197 TDs fro his current 101 after the next two seasons.
He'd had to get 48 TDs a year for the next two seasons. Not impossible but unlikely.
Manning had 138 TDs after 5 full seasons. Indy has a good defense but when Manning gives them big leads, they don't have to worry as much about the run, which is a weakness of their undersized, cover-2 scheme.
So you really think Jim Plunkett should be in the HOF? Hmmm...and he had a SB MVP as well. No way in hell do two rings = automatic HOF induction. Ben and Jim both played for approximately 5 years (as starters)...and yes, it's a given, Ben is a better QB, but saying 2 rings = guaranteed HOF is a little much. And BTW...I think Ben will get in, he just needs to have another great year or three. As he stands now, he's borderline in my mind.macsomjrr wrote:Put my vote in for Big Ben as a HOF lock right now, today, this minute. He may not have the statistical prowess and awards of Brady and Manning but the the guy has WON TWO SUPERBOWLS. You absolutely, 100% cannot exclude a QB from the hall-of-fame who has started and won two superbowls.
You bring up a good point about the number of pass attempts, but how come you failed to qualify the TD pass numbers as well? Ben's TD percentage is 5.3% and Brady's is 5.4%. Ben's yards per attempt is 7.9 and Brady's is 7.2. Ben's completion percentage is 62.4% and Brady's is 63%. I'll certainly give Brady the edge in interceptions, but Roethlisberger is a better runner.wco81 wrote:Explain how they're "nearly the same":
http://www.nfl.com/players/tombrady/car ... =BRA371156
http://www.nfl.com/players/benroethlisb ... =ROE750381
Brady has twice as many TDs in 113 games vs. Ben's 72 games.
And Ben has 69 ints. vs 86 for Brady, who has almosst twice as many pass attempts.
Did you miss my post in this thread comparing Roethlisberger and Brady's regular-season stats over the first five years of their respective careers? Let me repost for remedial purposes:wco81 wrote:Explain how they're "nearly the same":
http://www.nfl.com/players/tombrady/car ... =BRA371156
http://www.nfl.com/players/benroethlisb ... =ROE750381
Let's see how many team rushing attempts Pittsburgh and New England averaged per season during Roethlisberger and Brady's first five seasons, respectively:wco81 wrote:Brady has had 7 full seasons. He would have had 8 if he wasn't injured in the first game of this past seasons.
So lets see if Rothlisberger reaches 197 TDs fro his current 101 after the next two seasons.
He'd had to get 48 TDs a year for the next two seasons. Not impossible but unlikely.
Manning had 138 TDs after 5 full seasons. Indy has a good defense but when Manning gives them big leads, they don't have to worry as much about the run, which is a weakness of their undersized, cover-2 scheme.
Don't forget that Brady also has the benefit of throwing to Randy Moss, whom many considered the greatest receiver on the planet until Fitzgerald had his nice postseason run this year.Leebo33 wrote: I do think Brady is a better fantasy QB due to the large number of passing attempts. I'll even concede that I think Brady is a better QB. But they are both elite IMO and if they switched teams I think their career stats would have been similar.
HoF is a separate discussion from whether a QB is producing at the highest levels.macsomjrr wrote:Bradshaw is in the HOF with 212/210 (TD/int) and a 70 passer rating. I guess four superbowls, two superbowl MVPs and an NFL MVP mean something:)
He's had one season with Moss, which yielded all-time numbers.GTHobbes wrote:Don't forget that Brady also has the benefit of throwing to Randy Moss, whom many considered the greatest receiver on the planet until Fitzgerald had his nice postseason run this year.Leebo33 wrote: I do think Brady is a better fantasy QB due to the large number of passing attempts. I'll even concede that I think Brady is a better QB. But they are both elite IMO and if they switched teams I think their career stats would have been similar.
