OT: 2008 Elections/Politics thread, Part 2

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:09 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

wow, this is so racist. If you can't find the racism in this, then I guess you guys are true republicans.

So let's see, racist pictures of Obama, and overtly sexist comments about their own republican VP Nominee. And when it's pointed out, you guys think it's some kind of joke. If someone made the same kind of sexist remarks in a workplace, they'd be disciplined.

OK. I am black and I thought that was funny. Dave Chappelle made a great living with this kind of comedy. But if you think that's racist cool. But calling all Repulicans racist? Wow. Wanna see racist? Google cartoons of Condi Rice and get back too me.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:12 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
wow, this is so racist. If you can't find the racism in this, then I guess you guys are true republicans.

Yes, because all racists are Republicans and all Republicans are racist.

I don't look at your posts and assume that all non-Republicans are illiterate. Why don't you extend the same sort of courtesy to others?

SPTO · Post by **SPTO** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:13 pm

Here's my take on the Fowler/Olbermann/Moore stuff.

This isn't specific to the actual comments but it's something i've noticed about the Democratic party since '04 at the earliest. I believe that the MoveOn.Org types and those on the ultra left have polluted the main line Democratic Party to the point that the caricature of a Democrat (or as anyone not on the right has been stained as, a Liberal) is now the dominant view. These far lefters have injected a lot of, I wouldn't say anti-Americanism because I do believe they love the country as much as anyone else but it's more of an exaggerated "gadfly effect". They feel that the best way to combat the Right is to be super critical of everything they do and sometimes even laugh and condemn the Right for mismanagement or what have you.

It's interesting to see the change though as the Democratic party for the last 30 years have been a "bread and butter" party that sticks to domestic policy such as the economy, the budget, health care etc etc. The party has now morphed into a somewhat bitter collection of people who think they can do everything better then the GOP and trying to make themselves seem like great diplomatic types by clinging onto the notion that everything can be negotiated. (which has been a hallmark of the party since Carter but it's exaggerated now) There is now an emphasis on being beligerant (sp) rather then trying to push the positives. I think that's one reason why Obama became so popular so fast. The guy projects a very positive image not wholly unlike Clinton did for most of his time in the national spotlight.

In the end, the Democratic party is on the verge of becoming the party of the nattering nabobs of negativism (anyone want to guess where I got that from?

) taking glee on every bit of misfortune and always attacking while never offering any practical solutions.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:18 pm

SPTO wrote:
In the end, the Democratic party is on the verge of becoming the party of the nattering nabobs of negativism (anyone want to guess where I got that from? ) taking glee on every bit of misfortune and always attacking while never offering any practical solutions.

LOL One of my favorite albums:

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:21 pm

SPTO wrote:Here's my take on the Fowler/Olbermann/Moore stuff.

This isn't specific to the actual comments but it's something i've noticed about the Democratic party since '04 at the earliest. I believe that the MoveOn.Org types and those on the ultra left have polluted the main line Democratic Party to the point that the caricature of a Democrat (or as anyone not on the right has been stained as, a Liberal) is now the dominant view. These far lefters have injected a lot of, I wouldn't say anti-Americanism because I do believe they love the country as much as anyone else but it's more of an exaggerated "gadfly effect". They feel that the best way to combat the Right is to be super critical of everything they do and sometimes even laugh and condemn the Right for mismanagement or what have you.

It's interesting to see the change though as the Democratic party for the last 30 years have been a "bread and butter" party that sticks to domestic policy such as the economy, the budget, health care etc etc. The party has now morphed into a somewhat bitter collection of people who think they can do everything better then the GOP and trying to make themselves seem like great diplomatic types by clinging onto the notion that everything can be negotiated. (which has been a hallmark of the party since Carter but it's exaggerated now) There is now an emphasis on being beligerant (sp) rather then trying to push the positives. I think that's one reason why Obama became so popular so fast. The guy projects a very positive image not wholly unlike Clinton did for most of his time in the national spotlight.

In the end, the Democratic party is on the verge of becoming the party of the nattering nabobs of negativism (anyone want to guess where I got that from? ) taking glee on every bit of misfortune and always attacking while never offering any practical solutions.

That's a good take. If Obama wants the independent vote he's got to hope they tone it down during the next 2 months.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:44 pm

JackDog wrote:Michael Moore and Keith Olbermann.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJv9to8K ... re=related

These two sick f*cks have gone so far in their hatred for GWB and the Republicans that they appear to be rejoicing in any and all disasters that take place in our nation or around the world. The death of any soldier in Iraq, or the destruction of any home in New Orleans is no longer a tragedy to Olbermann, rather it is more material for his show and his hatred of the President. How sad when people like this actually take pleasure in the death and destruction of others. Olbermann should have ripped the fat off of Moore's ass for that comment instead of kissing it.

I don't care what Moore might have said later on, his opening chuckling comment at a hurricane that might be about to kill innocent people is completely out of line.

Post by **Jared** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:27 pm

And I'm now officially back from vacation, and can actually post on this thread. (I go away for a week, and the forums turn into the bastard child of Daily Kos and the National Review.)

First, there have been a lot of posts trying to link Obama to corruption, either saying he's a "product of the corrupt Chicago machine" or mentioning Rezko. As for Rezko, Obama answered every question from the Chicago Tribune in a 90+ minute interview about it (link to the summary here and the actual interview here. There's no evidence of wrongdoing by Obama, no investigations into unethical behavior by Obama, etc. People are trying to use the guilt by association argument with Obama...that if he dealt with a corrput politican, he MUST be a corrput politician too. Or if he worked with Ayers (on a board with a bunch of Republicans), he must somehow share Ayers' most insane viewpoints. Or if his pastor was Wright, he must share Wright's most radical beliefs. Or that he must be a closet socialist because...well, I don't even know why.

Anyways, if anyone has any actual evidence that Obama is corrput (investigations, documentary evidence, etc.) then go for it, produce it. But all of this above is just a silly game of six degrees of corrput/extreme politician. And you can play this game with ANY political candidate.

And the funny thing is that for all the posts about corruption and unsavory characters around Obama, Palin is actually under investigation for corruption right now by a Republican state congress. And McCain was one of the Keating Five.

As for Palin, the arguments that Palin has more "experience" than Obama is absurd, unless you're equating two years of governor of a state of about 650k with two years Senate experience representing Illinois, eight years state senate experience for a part of Chicago, and putting together a successful campaign for President of the United States. The whole exercise of defining "experience" solely by time in an executive position is pretty silly. To follow that logic, then did Clinton have more "experience" to be President than Dole? Does Palin have more "experience" to be President than McCain?

As for her pick, short term, it's great because it sucked up media coverage after Obama's excellent speech. However, I don't think it's a good pick long term, because she's very conservative (she was a big Buchanan supporter), and I don't think she was vetted enough by McCain. For example, although Palin said she was against the "Bridge to Nowhere" in her speech with McCain, Palin was actually a supporter of that bridge and actually campaigned on having it built, changing her position afterwards when it was politically expedient to do so. Flip-flopping, if you will. Then you've got Troopergate, where Palin is under investigation for using her position as governor to fire the Alaskan Public Safety Commissioner for not firing her brother-in-law. And I think she'll get beat in a debate w/Biden, especially on foreign policy.

And as for the Cream of Wheat box, that does have some racist undertones (though I don't think that the OP is racist). For example, here's an example of the original advertising for the Cream of Wheat chef, and similar advertising was used for people like Uncle Ben, Aunt Jemima, etc. But let's <b>not</b> go down the all Republicans are racist path. Please, polarizing people's opinions/viewpoints/etc. is just unnecessary.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:28 pm

Jared wrote:
And as for the Cream of Wheat box, that does have some racist undertones (though I don't think that the OP is racist).

Exactly what I thought when I saw it.

Jared wrote:But all of this above is just a silly game of six degrees of corrput/extreme politician. And you can play this game with ANY political candidate.

Yes you can!...so why bother?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:30 pm

RobVarak wrote: But a stooge like Michael Moore can make a career out of making anti-American propoganda and be looked on as a serious thinker.

You are being far too kind in calling him a stooge...How anyone can actually like this parasite blows my mind.

SPTO · Post by **SPTO** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:44 pm

XXXIV wrote:
RobVarak wrote: But a stooge like Michael Moore can make a career out of making anti-American propoganda and be looked on as a serious thinker.

You are being far too kind in calling him a stooge...How anyone can actually like this parasite blows my mind.

Well to be FAIR, he used to be very good. Remember Roger & Me? At some point he let his ego get in the way.[/u][/b]

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:45 pm

There are lunatics in both parties. Always have been.

Unfortunately, the 24-hour news cycle, lack of journalistic integrity by cable news outlets, and the blogosphere have given the loonies on both sides of the aisles much greater visibility.

Moore is an entertainer who uses shock tactics to overcome his lack of originality and ability, nothing more. He's no different than Limbaugh on the radio.

Anyone who considers Moore a serious documentary filmmaker or Limbaugh a serious political analyst is ... well, a loonie.

Take care,
PK

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:47 pm

SPTO wrote:
XXXIV wrote:
RobVarak wrote: But a stooge like Michael Moore can make a career out of making anti-American propoganda and be looked on as a serious thinker.

You are being far too kind in calling him a stooge...How anyone can actually like this parasite blows my mind.
Well to be FAIR, he used to be very good. Remember Roger & Me? At some point he let his ego get in the way.[/u][/b]

Yes I do...which, in my mind, only makes it sadder.

Ego? or money? either way same result. Just feeding off of others misery for his own monetary /selfish gains.

TheGamer · Post by **TheGamer** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:55 pm

Its a shame Palin's daughter is going to have a very private matter, scrutinized in the media for the whole world to see.

FatPitcher · Post by **FatPitcher** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 4:59 pm

SPTO wrote:
XXXIV wrote:
RobVarak wrote: But a stooge like Michael Moore can make a career out of making anti-American propoganda and be looked on as a serious thinker.

You are being far too kind in calling him a stooge...How anyone can actually like this parasite blows my mind.
Well to be FAIR, he used to be very good. Remember Roger & Me? At some point he let his ego get in the way.[/u][/b]

Well, I liked TV Nation, but Roger & Me is kind of lame because he actually did get to talk to the guy. He just didn't include the interview in the movie, because it would have undercut the whole premise.

FatPitcher · Post by **FatPitcher** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:01 pm

TheGamer wrote:Its a shame Palin's daughter is going to have a very private matter, scrutinized in the media for the whole world to see.

In 3+ months, Palin will go from MILF to GILF!

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:08 pm

FatPitcher wrote:
TheGamer wrote:Its a shame Palin's daughter is going to have a very private matter, scrutinized in the media for the whole world to see.
In 3+ months, Palin will go from MILF to GILF!

Dude:

She already is! G(overnor)ILF.

Take care,
PK

TheHiddenTrack · Post by **TheHiddenTrack** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:18 pm

This thread needs some funny:

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XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:31 pm

FatPitcher wrote:
SPTO wrote:
XXXIV wrote: You are being far too kind in calling him a stooge...How anyone can actually like this parasite blows my mind.
Well to be FAIR, he used to be very good. Remember Roger & Me? At some point he let his ego get in the way.[/u][/b]
Well, I liked TV Nation, but Roger & Me is kind of lame because he actually did get to talk to the guy. He just didn't include the interview in the movie, because it would have undercut the whole premise.

I didnt know that...what an ass.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:43 pm

TheGamer wrote:Its a shame Palin's daughter is going to have a very private matter, scrutinized in the media for the whole world to see.

God, I hate lowlifes who perpetuate bullshit rumors like the one these scumbags started about Palin's son and daughter. Stupid-assed knuckledragging bottom dwellers. That's all those assholes are.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:48 pm

Never said all repub are racists just some of the ones posting here. Let me take that back, ignorant is the better term. And if those think sexist comments are ok in our society, then I can't understand that kind of thinking.

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:52 pm

Dom getting ready for his first protest.

Ran into Jon Voight. He's donated some mad money to the WWP.

Jon Voight digging on some Carol. She'my MIDF

One of my old Afghanistan buddies. He was protesting the protesters.

After a couple of hours he were ready for some food. Thank God Mickey's was on our corner. Dom and Carol watch the marchers go by.

All in all it was pretty cool to watch my son take in exactly what freedom of speech is about. They say there were 60,000 protesters. I didn't agree with 59,998 of em.

But they were pretty cool and we had some good conversation.

The assholes were the Anarchist. They were breaking windows,slashing tires and getting pepper sprayed and arrested.

Day 1 of the RNC is in the books for my family.
I have an interview with Joe Scarborough on MSNBC in the AM. We are going to talk about the WWP fundraising breakfast on Wednesday morning. I'll say hi to all the DSP nuts.

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:54 pm

TheHiddenTrack wrote:This thread needs some funny:

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F*ck the Future.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:57 pm

Teal wrote:
TheGamer wrote:Its a shame Palin's daughter is going to have a very private matter, scrutinized in the media for the whole world to see.
God, I hate lowlifes who perpetuate bullshit rumors like the one these scumbags started about Palin's son and daughter. Stupid-assed knuckledragging bottom dwellers. That's all those assholes are.

Isn't family values a big part of the rep campaign?

You think if it was obama's daughter rush limbaugh and fox news wouldn't be all over this?

I'm more concerned that Palio didn't know what the surge was

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:01 pm

JackDog wrote:I have an interview with Joe Scarborough on MSNBC in the AM. We are going to talk about the WWP fundraising breakfast on Wednesday morning. I'll say hi to all the DSP nuts.

Great shots, Jack. Quite an experience for Dom. And Day 1, and you're not in the St. Paul klink -- that's progress, brother!

Any idea what time you're going to be on Scarborough? No worries if you don't -- I'll just record the whole damn morning tomorrow on MSNBC.

Take care,
PK

Post by **Jared** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:01 pm

I think Teal is talking about something different Inuyasha (there's an unfounded and untrue rumor that VP Palin's youngest child is actually her daughter's child).