The real inconvenient truth

[wco81]

Humans do not have any kind of God given right to live on the coasts in condos. Some people act like everything in nature must be the way we prefer it. Nature doesn't give a s**t about what we want.

When is the last time you've been to the coasts?

If the coasts get flooded, then Chicago, St. Louis and any other city on the Mississippi and the Great Lakes will likely be flooded as well.

[JackB1]

Such anger and bitterness toward others who differ in opinion, plus the whole "rest of the world" gibberish. Maybe you should spend some time in the "rest of the world" before making such asinine claims. Try China, they would love you there.

Funny...I didn't detect any "anger or bitterness" in his words. Seems more like frustration to me.

[bdoughty]

Funny...I didn't detect any "anger or bitterness" in his words. Seems more like frustration to me.

Me thinks your "detector" is seriously broken.

[matthewk]

Humans do not have any kind of God given right to live on the coasts in condos. Some people act like everything in nature must be the way we prefer it. Nature doesn't give a s**t about what we want.

When is the last time you've been to the coasts?

If the coasts get flooded, then Chicago, St. Louis and any other city on the Mississippi and the Great Lakes will likely be flooded as well.

WTF does any of that have to do with my quote? If I lived on the coast myself my quote would be the same.

[matthewk]

Seems more like frustration to me.

I would have chosen ignorance or intolerance in place of frustration, but whatever.

[wco81]

There's more than oceanfront condos.

There are some economic assets, which wouldn't be easily replaced.

[GTHobbes]

It's tough to argue against blatant ignorance like this. Luckily the rest of the world and our next president appear to be more serious about the threat of man's impact on this planet and appear to be inclined to do more about it. You guys can vent and get mad about this all you want but smarter people than you are figuring out important solutions whether you like it or not.

Amen.

Btw, it might be snowing in Vegas, but it was a relatively balmy 73 degrees here in Atlanta today, less than a week before Christmas.

[Feanor]

Maybe we need a thread just for unusual weather, with no global warming talk allowed.

[XXXIV]

There's more than oceanfront condos.

There are some economic assets, which wouldn't be easily replaced.

....and its happening two days before the day after tomorrow....

[XXXIV]

Maybe we need a thread just for unusual weather, with no global warming talk allowed.

I found a copy of the first post on the subject....

[Jared]

This is my usual let's calm down the heated attacks on other people try and keep things on the topic and not on other people in the thread post. You all know the drill. No bans, but I will lock the thread if things get out of hand.

[JRod]

It's funny that there is so much vehemence toward climate change. Like it's a bad thing to care about where we live. It's a little hypocritical to say well I care about the lives of others but where we live is not as important.

Like death and taxes, you can always be assured of selective reading by JRod.

John, nowhere have I said that damaging the environment is a good thing. But yes, I do care more about people who are facing death within weeks or months from a horrible disease than the possible melting of the ice caps in another 100 years.

Take care,
PK

Well I'm not going to post every f***in name in response to a thread. Thus an introduction of a new paragraph.

I go back to my point, those arguing against the human impact of global warming. Why and how is this even an issue. There is no upside to being wrong on this issue. This isn't like the financial bailout, where there are some positives to not bailing out banks or automakers. There is no one positive to not taking global warming at a serious threat. If we are wrong on this, then we are really f***ed.

And if there is no human impact, then at the very least we move to cleaner energy maybe even cheaper energy. That's not a bad thing. But to say that there's no human impact and global warming is fiction is a pretty dangerous position.

[macsomjrr]

Funny...I didn't detect any "anger or bitterness" in his words. Seems more like frustration to me.

Me thinks your "detector" is seriously broken.

It's probably a little bit of all three:) Honestly my initial outrage was in response to people going far to the opposite side of this issue calling it a scam. Just crazy.

Interesting, I would have pegged you for one. Such anger and bitterness toward others who differ in opinion, plus the whole "rest of the world" gibberish. Maybe you should spend some time in the "rest of the world" before making such asinine claims. Try China, they would love you there.

Not that it matters but I grew up in Europe and have travelled a lot during my life. Does that make my opinion less "asinine" to you now? Didn't think so. Never been to China though...

I would love to see some evidence from the anti-climate changers that man isn't having any effect of the world's atmosphere. Legitimate evidence. Go google crazy! Let's have an intelligent, well-reasoned discussion on the topic instead of just pointing fingers and getting personal.

[matthewk]

How many itmes do guys like PK and I have to say it: It's not that we think we have NO impact at all. The issue we (or at least I) have is that those caliming the sky is falling are doing so without definitive proof.

This leads me to JRods point that we can't do any harm. I think we can do a lot of harm if we go to extremes to fix something that isn't broken. Things like clean energy and using less resources are definitely good things. I haven't seen anyone here argue against that. What I fear is that we'll go too far off the deep end and come up with "fixes" that will end up making things worse for us.

Take the idea of us dropping old tires along the coastline with the intent of creating a type of reef that would attract sealife. There are numerous examples like this where we have tried to intervene in nature to fix something, only to end up making a mess instead.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... reef_x.htm

[Teal]

And it sounds people are just arguing global warming along partisan lines. Like it's even a partisan issue.

It's nothing MORE than a partisan political issue, packaged in such a way so as to make the naysayers look hateful and ignorant, when the only ignorance is to believe such folly.

The earth has been around for millions of years. People? Not so much. How in the hell the earth can survive some of the mammoth asteroids, global floods, ice ages, herculean volcanic activity, and yet not be able to withstand a puny human is beyond me.

If you want a large intrusive government, telling you what you can buy and use down to a f***in light bulb, the Global Warming/Climate Change nonsense is your ticket to ride. FAAAAAAAAR from a settled science, it is, rather, a new fad, something to get on a high horse about, when we didn't start any of it, and we won't get to end it, either. It's irrational and arrogant to think otherwise.

[Teal]

It's tough to argue against blatant ignorance like this. Luckily the rest of the world and our next president appear to be more serious about the threat of man's impact on this planet and appear to be inclined to do more about it. You guys can vent and get mad about this all you want but smarter people than you are figuring out important solutions whether you like it or not.

Amen.

Btw, it might be snowing in Vegas, but it was a relatively balmy 73 degrees here in Atlanta today, less than a week before Christmas.

And the fact that it's 73 in the Deep South means what, exactly? That's not news-that's normal.

[GTHobbes]

It's tough to argue against blatant ignorance like this. Luckily the rest of the world and our next president appear to be more serious about the threat of man's impact on this planet and appear to be inclined to do more about it. You guys can vent and get mad about this all you want but smarter people than you are figuring out important solutions whether you like it or not.

Amen.

Btw, it might be snowing in Vegas, but it was a relatively balmy 73 degrees here in Atlanta today, less than a week before Christmas.

And the fact that it's 73 in the Deep South means what, exactly? That's not news-that's normal.

Beats me, as to what it means. I've only been living here for 8 years, but I don't ever remember it being in the 70s as late as 12/19. Maybe it's not all that unusual, but people I work with seemed to think so.

[Teal]

Trust me, GT...it ain't unusual. I played outside in my shorts and a tshirt on Christmas Day several times as a kid. No big deal.

As to the 'consensus' on the GW hysteria, there isn't one. Not by a long shot:

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/commen ... nt.news.93

[Feanor]

You're right, there's no consensus that global warming is hysteria. However, the basic conclusion of the IPCC that that most of the temperature increase since the mid-twentieth century is "very likely" due to the increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas has been endorsed by more than 30 scientific societies and academies of science.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... reef_x.htm

The guy who can't even read links that directly follow sentences that he goes to the trouble of quoting, is still posting links himself. Maybe you should quote some of the article in your post in case other people here have the same trouble you did.

[Brando70]

The earth has been around for millions of years. People? Not so much. How in the hell the earth can survive some of the mammoth asteroids, global floods, ice ages, herculean volcanic activity, and yet not be able to withstand a puny human is beyond me.

The theory isn't that the Earth is going to die. The theory is that we're going to die or at least suffer greatly from climate change. And there's plenty of natural history that shows what severe climate change can do to existing animal life.

If people believe that asteroid collisions and volcanic activity can cause severe and even catastrophic climate changes, why is it such a stretch to believe that large amounts of man-made emissions of greenhouse gasses over a relatively short period of time cannot have a severe effect?

Even many of the scientists who deny global warming is caused by humans acknowledge that there is warming happening. There's enough data to suggest that human industry is having some impact as to cause some concern, and like JRod said, it seems that the gamble for ignoring this and being wrong is much greater than for doing something about it and being wrong. Of course, that would involve some environmental regulation, which some people believe causes Zombie Stalin to eat a litter of red, white, and blue kittens.

As for the scientists conspiring to make this a racket, that sounds as credible as the LAPD conspiring to frame OJ. You'd have to believe that the scientists, who critics paint as wildly inept at sciencing, would be super geniuses at Illuminati-style conspiracy.

All I can say is, thank the Flying Spagetti Monster that there's no evolution thread on the board.

[XXXIV]

Climate change is real...

Man made catostrophic global warming is as spaghetti monster as anything else you want to make fun of.

Jesus love you

[matthewk]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/200 ... reef_x.htm

The guy who can't even read links that directly follow sentences that he goes to the trouble of quoting, is still posting links himself. Maybe you should quote some of the article in your post in case other people here have the same trouble you did.

Maybe you should read Jared's post from earlier today. I'll even quote it here in case you have trouble finding it:

This is my usual let's calm down the heated attacks on other people try and keep things on the topic and not on other people in the thread post. You all know the drill. No bans, but I will lock the thread if things get out of hand.

[JackB1]

The earth has been around for millions of years. People? Not so much. How in the hell the earth can survive some of the mammoth asteroids, global floods, ice ages, herculean volcanic activity, and yet not be able to withstand a puny human is beyond me.

Of course the Earth will survive. But what's wrong with trying to leave the Earth as is for our grandchildren's granchildren? I'm sure Planet Earth's not too worried...but we as human's should be.

Dismissing it as some partisan b.s. is just wrong. Is it the most pressing issue at the moment? Not unless you are a polar bear in the Artic. Why should we ignore it until it is nipping at our heels? The longer we do nothing, the harder it will be to reverse our damage.

[pk500]

Humans do not have any kind of God given right to live on the coasts in condos. Some people act like everything in nature must be the way we prefer it. Nature doesn't give a s**t about what we want.

When is the last time you've been to the coasts?

If the coasts get flooded, then Chicago, St. Louis and any other city on the Mississippi and the Great Lakes will likely be flooded as well.

And that's not going to happen for hundreds of years, if at all.

Please, supply me with confirmed evidence that that will occur in the next 50 to 100 years. Just more hypothesized hysteria. Then it again, if Al Gore says it's true, it must be true. After all, he invented the Internet.

Take care,
PK

[wco81]

Didn't the Mississippi overrun some small towns in Iowa or Illinois just this past summer?

Due to heavy rains, I know, but there's more than one way to raise water levels.

Maybe you're right, the oceans rising won't affect rivers, even though they're directly connected.