Winning Eleven: Pro Evolution Soccer 2007

seanmac31 · Post by **seanmac31** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:17 pm

Zeppo wrote:I'm not dissing it. Where was I dissing it? I didn't say 'FIFA is crap' or anything like that at all. All I meant was if one is happy with FIFA07, then it's very likely one would feel pissed off enough about the lack of features in WE07 to have a hard time enjoying the game.

I said you might not want to bother with WE07 if you are happy with FIFA07. If that's read as dissing FIFA07, well, that's how you read it. I guess I shouldn't have put in the quotes.

Personally, I never felt the urge to try FIFA because, having been burned so many times by the 'it's all new, it's really good this time, everything broken has been fixed this time' hype in the past, I was wary, and (shoe on the other foot here. . . ) the back-compat WE was good enough for me, so I didn't want to bother messing around with FIFA. By the same token, if FIFA is good enough for you, you probably shouldn't bother trying WE07, because it's easy to get pissed off at all the bad stuff and feel like you wasted $50, and that will probably get in the way of your enjoyment of the gameplay.

Fair enough. It's true, I'm very pleased with how FIFA is developing on the 360- the jumps from RTWC to WC to 07 have been pretty striking, and at this point FIFA is a game with a lot going for it. And I'm loathe to pay Konami for what sounds like a pretty lazy effort. That said, WE is the game of choice whenever my friends are around, so it's pretty much a given that I'll grab it at some point.

Zeppo · Post by **Zeppo** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:18 pm

Overreacting, OVERREACTING! (Jack knows what I'm talking about.)

Yeah, well, you know, you got me.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:05 pm

No CAP that I know of Sudz.

nyisles16 · Post by **nyisles16** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:06 pm

well after seeing the reactions, is this game worth a purchase?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:22 pm

nyisles16 wrote:well after seeing the reactions, is this game worth a purchase?

Lets start the poll.

I vote YES!

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:27 pm

Isles, I almost didn't pick it up yesterday because I wasn't gaga over the demo (don't get me wrong I thought it was good) and was going to Gamefly it. I'm glad I didn't do that.

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:28 pm

it have create a player?

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:40 pm

Sudz,

ScoopBrady wrote:No CAP that I know of Sudz.

FifaInspected · Post by **FifaInspected** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:37 pm

nyisles16 wrote:well after seeing the reactions, is this game worth a purchase?

Not a bad idea.

What gets me is that some people on the web are saying it's got a bad framerate, while others say it's silky smooth.

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:39 pm

ScoopBrady wrote:Sudz,
ScoopBrady wrote:No CAP that I know of Sudz.

thanks scoopy.

missed it before.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:52 pm

FifaInspected wrote:
nyisles16 wrote:well after seeing the reactions, is this game worth a purchase?
Not a bad idea.

What gets me is that some people on the web are saying it's got a bad framerate, while others say it's silky smooth.

I think the frame rate is perfect. There is some bizarre slowdown at certain points, but it doesn't really impact the gameplay. The game seems to skip whenever the ball crosses the goal line and at the end of game/half. It also slows down oddly before set pieces, although it's the animations prior to the kick, not the kick or mechanics that gets messed up.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:37 pm

Wow...you sure have a liberal definition of "perfect" Rob.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:17 pm

I noticed a small frame rate drop (on the PS2) when a header hit the post with a lot of players in the box. I don't think I ever noticed any slowdown on the Xbox versions of WE8I and WE9.

I also don't like the grainy filter that seems to appear on all automatic replays. It makes the graphics look pretty pixelated, but thankfully it isn't there on the replays you can control.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:17 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:Wow...you sure have a liberal definition of "perfect" Rob.

Maybe. But the slowdown is not during the actual gameplay, but post-goal and during what are basically cut-scenes prior to a re-start. When the ball is in play, the framerate is fine.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 8:57 pm

RobVarak wrote:
dbdynsty25 wrote:Wow...you sure have a liberal definition of "perfect" Rob.
Maybe. But the slowdown is not during the actual gameplay, but post-goal and during what are basically cut-scenes prior to a re-start. When the ball is in play, the framerate is fine.

The play is smoother than the Xbox version of WE was.

Post by **Jared** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:50 pm

Damn...the EB Games and Gamestop within walking distance are sold out, Walmart doesn't have it, and neither does Best Buy. I'm gonna have to really search for this to get it tomorrow. Hopefully I'll find it then and catch everyone online during the weekend.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Thu Feb 08, 2007 10:12 pm

I am really terrible at this game, but the gameplay is really good.

Any suggestions for playing defense? I seem relatively helpless once a team sets up camp near my goal.

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:35 am

The frame rate does get touchy during game play at times not like nhl 07 on 360 but very similar.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:47 am

I don't know guys...PES6 on the PC with the Evolution Superpatch 2.0 is pretty freakin' ridiculous.

132 stadiums
281 different shoes
877 balls

All of the kits (along with 3rds for some teams), roster transfers up to Feb. 1...holy crap. If you've got the rig to run it, it's definitely impressive. I still don't think the PC version is as smooth or playable as the two console versions, but it's just impressive from a graphical and modification standpoint.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:47 am

How's the framerate online?

Jimmydeicide · Post by **Jimmydeicide** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:26 am

10spro wrote:How's the framerate online?

Only played 2, both against the same person Zeppo but it was smooth with barely a lag ever, both halves, halfs.
Thousand percent better than last year online.

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:28 am

Some impressions after going 0-4 online last night -

One thing that bugs me is that they show you who is challenging you if you create a match, but there doesn't seem to be a way to decline the challenge. When I saw a guy who was 5-0 and averaging 3 goals/game, I wasn't too excited. Seems like the only way to decline is to head back to the main dashboard.

One game dissolved into a total lag fest late in the 2nd half through extra time.

My initial excitement that every game wouldn't have one of the top teams, after playing as Everton vs. a mid-level Italian squad in my first game, was quickly gone after playing against Brazil or Barca the rest of the night.

And finally, my defense is even worse than I thought and my offense sucks, too.

Feanor · Post by **Feanor** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:33 am

XXXIV wrote:The play is smoother than the Xbox version of WE was.

Do you mean the frame rate, because I never saw a second of slowdown in either WE8I or WE9 on the Xbox.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 10:59 am

Feanor wrote:
XXXIV wrote:The play is smoother than the Xbox version of WE was.
Do you mean the frame rate, because I never saw a second of slowdown in either WE8I or WE9 on the Xbox.

I would have said both the game play and the frame rate earlier yesterday but after putting in 4 games late last night I did notice some slowdown. It was mostly during cutscenes but it also happened near the goal when there were a lot of players on the screen.

The brief slow down did not detract from the game.

jimd · Post by **jimd** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:26 pm

Question for 360 players:

Is the ML set-up customizable? i.e., can you choose what teams go in the four different A-leagues, and the one B-league, or is it pre-set?

(In the PS2 version, as in past years, it is an option you have to buy from the WE Shop.)

Thanks,
JD