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wco81 wrote:MS announced tonight that they've shipped 10.4 million X360s in 37 countries or something like that.


NPD numbers are due this Thursday.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070107/sony_ps3_sales.html?.v=5
Microsoft said Sunday it had sold 10.4 million Xbox 360s through the end of 2006. That narrowly beat the company's earlier stated goal of 10 million. The company expects to sell 13-15 million Xbox 360s by the end of its fiscal year in June, Microsoft spokesman David Hufford said.
I guess we will have to wait for NPD numbers to find out if the quote above is accurate.
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Gates at CES: Microsoft No. 1 in gaming
In his keynote address at the Consumer Electronics Show, Bill Gates said that he expected Microsoft to overtake Sony as the leader in videogame consoles.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/07/technol ... ail_alerts
Having beaten its target to ship more than 10 million units by year-end, Microsoft (Charts) said Sony (Charts), which dominated the last generation of consoles with its PlayStation 2, is the one playing catch-up.
Earlier, Sony said it met its goal of shipping 1 million PS3 consoles to North America by the end of 2006, but did so by diverting some units earmarked for Japanese consumers.

The PS3 retails for as much as $600 in the United States versus about $400 for the Xbox 360 and $250 for the Wii.

Despite the price tag, Sony said it reached the 1-million-unit shipment mark for North America faster than it did with previous PlayStation consoles.

The Xbox 360 is increasingly becoming a main component of Microsoft's plan to take control of the digital living room.

The console's online marketplace allows users to buy TV shows and movies and it can also grab content on PCs around the home and put it on the living room display. Microsoft now wants to take it one step further with the IPTV service.

"People are underestimating the importance of the announcement that the videogame is the set-top box and the set-top box is the videogame," Gates said. "There's the living room device that does it all."

IPTV carriers, such as AT&T (Charts), will be able to offer the new set-top box in the 2007 holiday season to customers who want to play videogames and watch TV from the Web of a quality on par with cable or satellite. Top of page
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wco81 wrote:MS really tried to move units. The question is whether after the Holidays, their sales volume falls way back again, to around 220k a month, below the sales rate of the PS2.

But it really shouldn't, because the X360 release calendar for 2007 is suppose to be strong. There may not be any Gears of War-level blockbuster until September but there should be good games.
January and February should be very telling months, IMO. If the DS and PS2 (and possibly the Wii) dominate the 360 and PS3, then we'll really see that a $400 price point is simply more than the mass market is willing to pay for what is looked at as a videogame machine.

I haven't paid much attention to the big 2007 releases for the 360, outside of Forza and GTR2--is it mainly just more shooters and sports games? And are the upcoming games enough to get more than the 'hardcore' crowd interested?
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Well GTA in September and Halo3 in the fall IIRC.

And Crackdown in Feb or March with entries to the Halo3 beta online testing. That is, you buy the game and you get to participate in the beta.

But I would think most publishers target the fall and holidays for their big titles, usually.
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Microsoft should be paying Nintendo some money on the side. What adult/parent is going to pass up a fun system that they probably even like playing for $250 for a system that is $600.

MS is just making a living off this.
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According to kotaku, NPD sales numbers have been released.

December 2006 system sales:
Nintendo DS - 1.6 million
PS2 - 1.4 million
Xbox 360 - 1.1 million
PSP - 953k
Wii - 604k
PS3 - 490k
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Launch window comparison (Nov-Jan.1);
Wii - 1.1m
PS3 - 687k
360 - 607k (2005)
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360 > Wii + PS3
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BigAl wrote:360 > Wii + PS3
Only because there were more in the retail channel to be sold.

Wii could have sold more than the 360 alone if they were available, and the same probably could be said about the PS3.

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pk500 wrote: Wii could have sold more than the 360 alone if they were available, and the same probably could be said about the PS3.

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Sony shipped 1M PS3's but sold less than 700k. That's a lot of unsold systems still on the shelves.
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pk500 wrote:
BigAl wrote:360 > Wii + PS3
Only because there were more in the retail channel to be sold.

Wii could have sold more than the 360 alone if they were available, and the same probably could be said about the PS3.

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I'll agree with you on the Wi, but no way in hell would the PS3 of sold more. I am using iTrackr to track a Wi down (it sucks btw) but of the 29 stores I am tracking 26 of them have PS3's and frankly that number has been in the teens since two weeks ago.

I went into Best Buy tonight and they had an end cap of PS3's, yep an End Cap with at least 20 systems stacked up and then they had more on the shelf where they stock the games. Tell me one place in January of 06 where you could have walked in to find an end cap of 360's? Two targets I stopped in today had plenty of them, EB had them too.

I asked Best Buy if they just got them in and they said nope, been here all week. Every morning I call about 6 stores trying to find a Wi and every time the response is an almost pathetic "We have PS3's though."

I know it is too early to judge if the PS3 will be a success, but the fact is they are sitting on shelves in Jan and not moving, the 360 was not doing the same last year.
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http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_i ... tory=12370

One thing Sony got going though was the strong sale for the PS2 and the PSP. Big numbers for those 2 systems.

January is justl on its 12th day, it's early and here in Canada, even though I scored myself a PS3 early this week, the demand is still strong for it as very few outlets seem to have the machine, while the Wii is just flat out impossible to get unless you go to ebay.

For the PS3, the high price and the lack of a killer launch title also have something to do with the consumers' way of spending their gaming habits.
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OK. I stand corrected on the PS3. But the Wii is moving like rubbers in a whorehouse.

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After spending a week with my 60 GB PS3, I decided to return it and get the 360 Premium. A couple of things drove my decision. I am somewhat worried about Sony right now. They are losing money on every PS3 sold and likely will for some time. This means that they will be hard pressed to offer any price cuts this year which I think will be a key for them to compete. Another reason I exchanged the system was the reports of the games that will be available for both the 360 and PS3. I did not see any game on the PS3 that I know I will play that I can't get on 360. Playing Tiger 07 on both systems, they are identical. The only graphical advantage that Sony has over the 360 is they do offer the user more options for connections with HDMI and DVI-D. This is important if you are playing on an LCD monitor like I am. The picture I get when using both the 360 and PS3 with component connections is very good, but it is outstanding and very sharp using the digital connections. This is the only advantage a PS3 has over 360 at this point in time for me. The big disadvantage for PS3 right now is that many games are coming out at 720p instead of the promised 1080p that Sony trumpeted from E3 through launch. I think Sony will eventually get there like they did with PS2, but it is going to take them a while. And when John Carmack praises the 360 development tools as far and away better than Sony's as well as criticizing Sony's decision to use an asymmetrical CPU as in the Cell, that gets my attention. Frankly, it scares me to own a $600 PS3 right now. I think I will wait for the PS3 to mature and for the price to drop before I invest again, but the machine is a good one and I hope Sony is able to support it like it should be supported.

My last reason for exchanging the PS3 for another 360 is display. By returning the PS3 for the 360, I got $200 back which I brought in my 22" Gateway widescreen monitor on a TAP replacement and purchased the Gateway 24" widescreen monitor. What an incredible product this is at $679.00. Worth every nickel of the $279.00 difference. And the 360 looks incredible on it even on component. I am going to check out the Monster component cables as well as the MS VGA cables to see if I can get 1080p output from the 360.

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BigAl wrote:360 > Wii + PS3
And the PS2 > 360.
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I'm surprised Nintendo only got 600k into stores during December, but looking at the launch window results, they definitely did a better job than MS or Sony.

I've seen PS3s everywhere over the past couple weeks. As you said Divot, a price cut can't be near for the system since they're losing so much money. IMO, Sony's going to lose 2007 to Nintendo and MS, which could lead to some tough decisions by the third parties.
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matthewk wrote:
BigAl wrote:360 > Wii + PS3
And the PS2 > 360.
And $129 > $299/$399....
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DivotMaker wrote:
matthewk wrote:
BigAl wrote:360 > Wii + PS3
And the PS2 > 360.
And $129 > $299/$399....
Well it is an apples and oranges comparison...but hey ....yabba dabba do

If you consider the units available,in My world, in the next gen battle its Wii>360>PS3...

The Wii is wasting the PS3 for the same reason the PS2 is still atop the console charts...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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pk500 wrote:But the Wii is moving like rubbers in a whorehouse.

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Well that's what happens when you price lower then your competition, have a new technology and a decent pack in game to show it off. My only worry with the Wi (and I still want one bad) is future game supprot that uses the control scheme and doesn't pack it in like a gimick.For example try Marvel on the Wi, your basically jerking off for 30 minute stints with your hand.

IMO right now word of mouth and Wi bowling are selling that system like crazy. I know people who are trying to find a Wi and they have never owned a console before. Ninetendo has struck gold, it just a matter of whether they can keep panning it or if it runs dry from lack of decent games.
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Danimal wrote:For example try Marvel on the Wi, your basically jerking off for 30 minute stints with your hand.
Sounds like I'm well conditioned to play this game. :D

I've said it before and I'll say it again: For gamers with a 360 or PS3 the Wii is a perfect complimentary system. On its own it will not satisfy most gamers. As a standalone for casual gamers the Wii will more than satisfy. This is what makes the Wii a hot item right now and why I'm not worried about third-party support this time around. I've always looked at it the wrong way but a conversation I had with Zeppo on the 360 gave me some new perspective on it.
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ScoopBrady wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again: For gamers with a 360 or PS3 the Wii is a perfect complimentary system.
I totally agree. Last night while my wife was using my 360 to play Zuma and Lumines (for three hours straight 8O ) I had two rum and cokes while shooting rabbits with plungers, carrying pigs through minefields, slamming outhouse doors closed, and grooving to "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun." It's not what I planned to play at the outset of the evening but I've got to admit it was a pretty damn amusing few hours.
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I love the Wii60 combination as well.

I knew I would love the Wii, but I'm also pleasantly surprised with some of the extras like the Miis, Photo Channel, and Weather. Creating and editing Miis, looking at photos on the TV, and letting the kids play with the globe in the Weather channel while giving them a mini-geography lesson has resulted in a lot of quality time outside of traditional gaming.
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Dave wrote:I'm surprised Nintendo only got 600k into stores during December, but looking at the launch window results, they definitely did a better job than MS or Sony.

I've seen PS3s everywhere over the past couple weeks. As you said Divot, a price cut can't be near for the system since they're losing so much money. IMO, Sony's going to lose 2007 to Nintendo and MS, which could lead to some tough decisions by the third parties.
Well obviously Nintendo took sales from both MS and Sony but we'll see if they can sustain the momentum. Not sure what the Wii release calendar is like but I've heard that most of the interesting games look to be first-party games, which would be a repeat of the GC.

PS3 is suppose to see a move to the 65 nm process this year. However, the PS3 for all Sony's problems (celebrated by many) still sold more in the first two months than the X360 and appear to be selling as well as the PS2.

PS3 will launch in Europe in March and some other territories. It should have some proven franchises releasing later this year as well as potentially good but new games releasing in spring and summer.

That's not to say PS3 is going to sell like the PS2 in its first year (especially at double the price). But there's no reason to cut the price yet. They could see if the EU launch helps and if the games help sell the system.

As for Carmack, he doesn't even like multicore CPUs, so he's probably not a big fan of the tricore CPU in the X360 either. I've never bought a single ID game and if I'm not mistaken, the console versions of Quake, Doom, etc. have never done anything. For every Carmack, there are at least a half-dozen other developers, used to console development, who have no problems with parallel and multi-core architectures.

In fact, get ready for this, the next generation of CPUs for consoles are more likely to resemble the Cell than the traditional architectures Carmack favors. Or else they will get left behind in performance.
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Does anybody know if the NPD numbers account for returns? I'm just curious because I'd guess around 10-15% of PS3's bought before Christmas were returned by the Ebay/Craigslist crowd when they couldn't unload them.
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wco81 wrote:PS3 is suppose to see a move to the 65 nm process this year.
Does the average person in the console market even know what the f*ck this means? Better yet, do they even care unless it results in a price drop or a sudden flood of new games on the market for the PS3?

No.

How many Joes and Janes are going to go to the electronics counter at their local Wal-Mart and ask, "Does the new shipment of PS3s you received have the 65nm process?"

None.

And even if someone did, the response from the clerk would have more glaze than frying time at Krispy Kreme.

Success in the console business for the general mass market comes down to three things, in this successive order: Positive hype, price and games.

The positive hype gets them into the stores. A good price point gets them to open their wallets. A wide, diverse library of games seals the deal and causes them to buy more games, increasing the software attach rate. Pure gold for the console manufacturer.

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