OT: Question for members of the religious right in here

[pk500]

A post by Brando in another thread in which he said many conservative friends of a friend of his said they would rather their child grow up a drug addict than gay really stunned me.

So, I ask the same question to all members of the GOP in here for whom "moral issues" are important:

<b>Which would you rather have your child grow up to be -- gay or a drug addict?</b>

"Neither" is not an option.

I will offer no editorial comment on any answers. I hope other non-members of the moral right follow suit and keep their comments to themselves. I'm just interested in the response.

Thanks,
PK

[tjung0831]

A post by Brando in another thread in which he said many conservative friends of a friend of his said they would rather their child grow up a drug addict than gay really stunned me.

So, I ask the same question to all members of the GOP in here for whom "moral issues" are important:

<b>Which would you rather have your child grow up to be -- gay or a drug addict?</b>

"Neither" is not an option.

I will offer no editorial comment on any answers. I hope other non-members of the moral right follow suit and keep their comments to themselves. I'm just interested in the response.

Thanks,
PK

Paul, I am not a member of the GOP. I'm ok with Bush winning the election based on his morals. Honestly i couldn't begin to tell you where I fit in regarding politics but I can tell you this I'd rather either of my sons be gay then be a drug addict and when I say drug addict i'm talking the hardcore stuff not alcohol or weed.

Tim

[RobVarak]

I'd rather that my son grow up to be gay or a drug addict rather than a member of the religious right

I jest...not much sleep.

[sportdan30]

Definitely gay. My son is 2-1/2 and I couldn't imagine loving him more than I already do. My feelings wouldn't change if he ever came to me when he was older and told me he was gay. His birth was the happiest day of my life. As long as he's happy and a solid member of society, I could care less.

On the contrary, if he told me he was addicted to drugs, I'd hurt more for him because then I would have felt I failed him as a father.

[DChaps]

Paul, that is a really stereotyped statement. There are plenty of non-members of the GOP that are anti-gay. Most African Americans vote Democratic, but are Christians and vehemently opposed to Gays and Gay marriage. There are also plenty of GOP "moral" people that have no problems with Gay's? In fact, there are some Gays who are actually part of the GOP.

To answer your question, I would much rather my child be gay than a drug addict.

The thing is, if Christ came back to earth today, you know who he would be hangin' with? The gays, the drug addicts, the down-trodden, the discriminated, and the non-believers. He would be speaking out against the hypocrisy of most Christian churches and leaders. He would be speaking of peace, forgiveness, and accountability. And guess what, it would be the Catholics and Baptists that would end up having him put to death.

[hoserthehorrible]

Paul, I am not a member of the GOP. I'm ok with Bush winning the election based on his morals. Honestly i couldn't begin to tell you where I fit in regarding politics but I can tell you this I'd rather either of my sons be gay then be a drug addict and when I say drug addict i'm talking the hardcore stuff not alcohol or weed.

Tim

Now there's a very interesting viewpoint... it's OK to be addicted to alcohol or weed, but boy or boy you better stay away from that "hard stuff". I believe the numbers will prove that Alcohol abuse is a far more serious problem than any other drug that's out there. It may in fact be a more serious problem than all other drugs combined.

I don't believe that life is so black and white that we can, or should, slap a label on drug abuse and/or a gay lifestyle. Life's just not that simple. There may be situations that either or both are a good thing for an individual. There are also lots of situations where either or both are bad for any particilar individual. There's too many variables in the world to be able to slap that label on drug addition or gay lifestyles.

My viewpoint is that I will support my kids and try and help them regardless of what decisions they may make in life. I try and teach them to make good decisions, and I'll tell them what my opinion is on any topic, but in the end they have to make their own decisions. If they choose to drink and take drugs I won't agree with it because it's not what I choose to do but that's a decision they have to make. Similarly, if they choose a gay lifestyle I won't agree with it because it's not what I would choose to do but again it's a decision they will have to make on their own.

[dbdynsty25]

I'd much rather my child be gay. You don't die by the dick, you die by the pipe/needle/bong/pill.

[pk500]

Don:

I was simply asking a question based on an example Brando raised in another thread. Since morals appear to be a key issue for this nation and the majority of this nation voted conservative, I consider it a legitimate question for conservatives for whom morality is a key issue.

Morality is not a key <i>political</i> issue for me, but it is an important <i>personal</i> issue. But to answer the question to be fair, I would much prefer my child to be gay than addicted to drugs.

Again, no comment on anyone's answers. I'm just interested in reading responses.

Thanks,
PK

[sportdan30]

I'd much rather my child be gay. You don't die by the dick, you die by the pipe/needle/bong/pill.

Well, you can if they don't practice safe sex. Isn't AIDS the number one killer among gay men?

[dbdynsty25]

Well, you can if they don't practice safe sex. Isn't AIDS the number one killer among gay men?

Yeah, but more people die by the drugs...that's my point.

[DChaps]

Don:

I was simply asking a question based on an example Brando raised in another thread. Since morals appear to be a key issue for this nation and the majority of this nation voted conservative, I consider it a legitimate question for conservatives for whom morality is a key issue.

Morality is not a key <i>political</i> issue for me, but it is an important <i>personal</i> issue. But to answer the question to be fair, I would much prefer my child to be gay than addicted to drugs.

Again, no comment on anyone's answers. I'm just interested in reading responses.

Thanks,
PK

Ok, I gotcha. Only thing I was saying though is that just because someone is a moral conservative, does not mean they follow all the lines of the party. The question seemed to be making the connection that if you voted for Bush, you voted for morals, and thus voted against Gays. I think that is pretty flawed.

Plus, at what point to you draw the line politically with morals? I tend to side with separation of church and state, less govt, and more freedoms, but morals have to play into Govt at some point. Otherwise murder, robbery, rape, etc. become all fine and dandy. How do you draw the line? Some say, as long as it is not hurting anyone, but in many instances that just leaves too much objective grey area, so morals of some kind have to come into play. Morals and Ethics can be separated from religious beliefs.

[tjung0831]

Paul, I am not a member of the GOP. I'm ok with Bush winning the election based on his morals. Honestly i couldn't begin to tell you where I fit in regarding politics but I can tell you this I'd rather either of my sons be gay then be a drug addict and when I say drug addict i'm talking the hardcore stuff not alcohol or weed.

Tim

Now there's a very interesting viewpoint... it's OK to be addicted to alcohol or weed, but boy or boy you better stay away from that "hard stuff". I believe the numbers will prove that Alcohol abuse is a far more serious problem than any other drug that's out there. It may in fact be a more serious problem than all other drugs combined.

I'm not saying it's ok but if i had a choice I sure as hell would prefer alcohol or weed for my kid then knowing he's at some crackhouse or injecting heroin in his veins. There are different levels of junkies...i'll take the lesser of the two.

Tim

[hoserthehorrible]

Paul, I am not a member of the GOP. I'm ok with Bush winning the election based on his morals. Honestly i couldn't begin to tell you where I fit in regarding politics but I can tell you this I'd rather either of my sons be gay then be a drug addict and when I say drug addict i'm talking the hardcore stuff not alcohol or weed.

Tim

Now there's a very interesting viewpoint... it's OK to be addicted to alcohol or weed, but boy or boy you better stay away from that "hard stuff". I believe the numbers will prove that Alcohol abuse is a far more serious problem than any other drug that's out there. It may in fact be a more serious problem than all other drugs combined.

I'm not saying it's ok but if i had a choice I sure as hell would prefer alcohol or weed for my kid then knowing he's at some crackhouse or injecting heroin in his veins. There are different levels of junkies...i'll take the lesser of the two.

Tim

I've lived with, personally experienced, and seen first hand, the affects of alcohol and drug addition of all kinds. A severe crack or heroin addition is no worse that a severe alcohol addition. They all tend to ruin the lives of those addicted and the people close to them.

Saying someone drinking a little alcohol or smoking a little weed is far better that a kid living in a crack house is certainly valid in my book. However, I'd also say that smoking a little crack at a frat party is a lot better than living on the streets begging for spare change to buy the next jug of cheap wine too.

It's all relative to the degree of addiction and what it has done to the life of the one who is addicted and those around him/her. Just because far more people drink alcohol than shoot heroin doesn't mean alcohol isn't every bit as harmful and every bit as hard to give up once addicted. Like I said, the numbers prove that alcohol addition is a far more serious problem in this country than any other drug addiction.

[skidmark]

Morals definitely comes in to play when I determine my vote. Not that I think that President Bush is the man or even has the place to lead America into a moral charge, but I feel that those things that I consider immoral have more of an opportunity to thrive under Kerry. I feel that America is quickly leaving its moral foundations, but that is not something that can be fixed based upon following whomever happens to be President. That is something that needs to be fixed within each and every one of our hearts.

Homosexual or Drug Addict? Both are sin in my opinion and would be a sign to me that my son has a conflict between himself and God's Word. Rebellion and Illicit sex of any demeanor would fall into these categories as well. You quickly get into the argument of attempting to weigh sin when you try to compare or contrast any of these. I think we often get in trouble with homosexuality because we tend to look at it as though someone is born that way. That may be popular theory, but it has no proven scientific basis. People often accuse the religious right of being intolerant and homophobes. I'm not intolerant or fearful of the person... no hate from me. I do believe that they are practicing something that is immoral as well as contrary to our design. The basic problem again reverts to sin... If my son was experimenting with homosexuality, then suddenly jumped into a life of straight pornography, my reaction would not be "Whew! at least he's not gay!" It would be sorrow that he's seeking to fill his life with something other than what can truly satisfy it.

Again, these are my beliefs and I'm sure they will be repugnant and inflammatory to many of you. Much of the anti-Christian responses regarding the election have been inflammatory to me. I have seen many different ideals and thoughts from both sides that I agree with, and have also seen many ideals from both sides that I disagree with. I don't consider a Bush victory a great leap for America's moral climate... Bush isn't leading this country anywhere - nor should he. Kerry wouldn't have thrown us into a dark upheaval either. The path that we take from here is upon each of us... if I want America to be different, then I need to start with what I can control - myself. I need to make sure of my foundation in all areas and then practice being the best citizen that I can be to support that foundation.

[krustylew]

Quick question here, why exactly is homosexuality a sin? Is it written in the bible somewhere?

[tjung0831]

Quick question here, why exactly is homosexuality a sin? Is it written in the bible somewhere?

HOMO ALERT...HOMO ALERT!!!

Tim

[XXXIV]

Quick question here, why exactly is homosexuality a sin? Is it written in the bible somewhere?

Bible taken from the Greek word Bivlio meaning book.

yeah I think it is.

I think its in the old testament . They say a man should not dress as a woman. ...punished by being taken to the gates of the city and stoned to death.
I read some cool stuff getting high on roadtrips outta state.

[Sport73]

I voted for Kerry so it's obvious that I encourage my daughter to be a crack-smoking (and licking) lesbian.

[Leebo33]

I'd be devastated if either of my boys turn out to be gay and it's for totally selfish reasons. I'd like to see them both start a family and have their own kids. I wouldn't love them any less or treat them any differently, but I'm not going to say that I wouldn't be disappointed. I'd also be devastated if I found out they were drug addicts, but I guess it would depend on the severity of the addiction and the likelihood of recovery as to what I would "choose" in this hypothetical scenario. There are plenty of recovered drug addicts.

It will be interesting if it is eventually proven without a doubt that homosexuality is genetic. I'm assuming that if genetic tests become widely available in the future that quite a few homosexual children will be aborted solely due to that fact. It's sad, but then again almost all abortions are pretty sad.

[GROGtheNailer]

I don't give a sh1t what an adult does in his own bedroom, why would anyone care about someone's sexual preference?

I used to be someone who disliked the gays on general purposes but thats long ago and far away now. That drunken night at college has totally changed my mind.

A drug addict has a long hard.......road to deal with.

[blueduke]

I think Skidmark's reply is on par with what most of those from the 'religious right' think and I agree with him myself. Great post, Skid.

And fwiw I do not look down on drug addict's or gays for if it were not for the grace of God it could be me in their shoes.

[krustylew]

Quick question here, why exactly is homosexuality a sin? Is it written in the bible somewhere?

Bible taken from the Greek word Bivlio meaning book.

yeah I think it is.

I think its in the old testament . They say a man should not dress as a woman. ...punished by being taken to the gates of the city and stoned to death.
I read some cool stuff getting high on roadtrips outta state.

That is supposed to be interpreted to mean that homosexuality is a sin?

Anyone else have an answer to this question?

[Badgun]

Well that is a perplexing question. I would want the best option for salvation for my child. That being said, according to the bible, homosexuality is an abomination and a sin. So is doing drugs because you are harming your body.

Both options are sins, but I believe that I'd rather my child be a drug addict than gay. I wouldn't love him any less no matter how he turned out, but a drug addict can be helped and a homosexual apparently can't.

I would want the best path for salavation for my son and I truly believe that being a drug addict is a better path than being gay. Of course, if you don't believe in God or Heaven, this won't make any sense to you.

[bdoughty]

Leviticus 18:22

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.


Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.


Plenty of other places it can be found.

[krustylew]

Leviticus 18:22

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.


Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.


Plenty of other places it can be found.

So should I read this as saying that the bible approves of incest?

Genesis 19
31 One day the older daughter said to the younger, "Our father is old, and there is no man around here to lie with us, as is the custom all over the earth. 32 Let's get our father to drink wine and then lie with him and preserve our family line through our father."
33 That night they got their father to drink wine, and the older daughter went in and lay with him. He was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, "Last night I lay with my father. Let's get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and lie with him so we can preserve our family line through our father." 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went and lay with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.
36 So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab [1] ; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi [2] ; he is the father of the Ammonites of today.