XBox One AND PS4 Discussion

[XXXIV]

Im trying to remember the last time I didnt go online first before playing a game of any kind....Long time ago.

I do see where that damn internet may be a fad though.

[Teal]

The people who are trying to feed their families by making the games you play do. And you can not care, like a number of the loudest complainers don't, which is fine, but it numbers the days of the industry, and the spiral has already begun. Software sales were down 44% last quarter, and if something isn't done to curb the stupidity of a few, the many will suffer.

Um, I think you misread my post if you're speaking to me (tho to be fair I could have elaborated a bit). I am saying I don't care about the check in stuff because I am going to be buying legit games and it'll be no big deal if the console has to dial home each time I boot the thing up to validate that. I'm saying it's a fine practice and it doesn't matter to me that they do it. I'm not complaining about it at all.

All that bothers me about the One is that I will have a harder time selling my games I purchase. That, and an exclusive of MLB the Show are the two reasons I'd go PS4 if I could only have one (and the wife might dictate that, lol).

Yep. Misread.

[GameSeven]

As for worrying about playing games 10 years from now when and if they pull the plug on the system its not much of a concern.

I wouldn't go quite that far. While for practical purposes many of us don't spend considerable hours on 'past-gen' games, if I want to hook up my Dreamcast and let my kids play Ecco or Crazy Taxi, or if I want to play through Lunar: SSSC for PS1 with them (did just this), I should have the choice to. And hell, with the increasing length and quality of of titles each generation, I think this will be *more* of an issue going forward.

So I think an appropriate EOL strategy for consoles which may see $3K or more invested in them over them life of the system is a necessity. Suddenly killing one's catalog is not an acceptable solution, but I'm rather confident that Microsoft would not be so stupid as to engineer their solution in this manner.

Of course, I'd like them to *state* that in plain english. On the other hand, if the capability to 'switch' it off exists, they may not want to let on for fear of inviting the chippers and modders of the world.

[Danimal]

I wouldn't go quite that far. While for practical purposes many of us don't spend considerable hours on 'past-gen' games, if I want to hook up my Dreamcast and let my kids play Ecco or Crazy Taxi, or if I want to play through Lunar: SSSC for PS1 with them (did just this), I should have the choice to. And hell, with the increasing length and quality of of titles each generation, I think this will be *more* of an issue going forward.

I'm not saying you shouldn't but you must realize you and the few others like you on this board are exceptions and not the norm. I've long ago gotten rid of my old consoles so your scenario doesn't pertain to me and many others.

In terms of digital distribution. I've got original copies of PC games that I have re-purchased on Steam on sale just so I can have it in my library. I know I am not alone in doing that either. Hopefully it will lead to sales like GoG is having today. the entire D&D collection for $21, The first 6 Might & Magic games for $6.

I highly doubt console maker will ever go there but you never know.

[GameSeven]

I'm not saying you shouldn't but you must realize you and the few others like you on this board are exceptions and not the norm. I've long ago gotten rid of my old consoles so your scenario doesn't pertain to me and many others.

I'm not claiming to speak for all gamers, I'm asking that the hardware providers employ a strategy that gives the end-user the right to use their purchases beyond an arbitrary kill date and I hardly think that's unreasonable. That's like invalidating our entire DVD collections because the industry moves on to Bluray.

In terms of digital distribution. I've got original copies of PC games that I have re-purchased on Steam on sale just so I can have it in my library. I know I am not alone in doing that either. Hopefully it will lead to sales like GoG is having today. the entire D&D collection for $21, The first 6 Might & Magic games for $6.

I highly doubt console maker will ever go there but you never know.

Perhaps not quite as steep but we do see discounted games from past gen on WiiWare and XBLA. Offering up highly regarded titles of past gen will surely continue and I'd hope the 'Steam model' encourages this.

[GameSeven]

I will be very interested to see how this gen plays out WRT DRM on the respective platforms.

MS has attempted to define DRM implications up front, to the ire of many.

Sony has taken the stance that "publishers may" but that first-party games will not place any restrictions on digital rights.

It has to be believed that both Sony and MS have gauged the interest from their publishers in such models.

The position from the publishers, themselves, is varied and uncertain.

*If* the consumer backlash is significant, and there are early signs that it may be, publishers may flee from the model in droves, leaving MS to twist in the wind and making Sony look brilliant in comparison.

OTOH, if publishers *really* desire the model and probe such solutions on the PS4, Sony may have a mish-mosh of implementations (at cost to individual publishers) reminiscent of their online solution vs the coherent Xbox Live of last gen.

In the case of XBL vs PSN, Sony has finally conceded their model to MS's. It will be interesting to see how this round of the battle plays out.

[Danimal]

I'd imagine the majority of publisher are going to implement the same thing they do now, the online pass. People are use to it so I don't think the uproar would be too bad.

As you said though what if a publisher wants to publish on Xbox and PS and need to spend extra $$$ to implement and maintain the online pass for their game on the PS. That is something I had not considered.

[Brando70]

Yeah what happens if you miss a check-in for ANY reason?

Are you locked out of your games or everything works again the next time you connect?

Did I miss something? Has this ever been said. You miss a check and you need to reauthorize? I've seen nothing to indicate if I don't connect I lose access to my entire system. I understand it's a legitimate question but why do we speculate the worst scenario?

If I missed something and it's been said that your system won't work then please post a link.

What made me wonder about it was the comment posted by the MS engineer in a link a couple pages back:

>Current plan is basically you’re f***ed after 24 hours. Yeah… I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to “call in” to ensure you haven’t sold your license to gamestop or something… but there is no plan YET. I’m hoping the change it, but I don’t work on that so I don’t have much influence there /sigh

That's what raised an eyebrow for me. I am assuming that it means you simply have to get back online within 24 hours of turning the XBox on or you won't be able to play, but given how convoluted some of MS's answers have been, who knows.

It's also an inconvenience. There are times I take my console with me -- vacation, over to someone's house -- where there is not wireless broadband and hooking up to the router is not convenient. Again, not a dealbreaker necessarily, but again, more money for the possibility of more hassle. Plus, it is slightly insulting to have a company assume you are a thief unless you prove otherwise.

[Danimal]

An you're sure he is an actual MS engineer? I mean its on the internet so its got to be true right

[RobVarak]

Plus, it is slightly insulting to have a company assume you are a thief unless you prove otherwise.

Maybe indicative of a larger trend? Have you shopped in a Walgreens lately? Anything with a unit cost of over $3.99 is behind lock and key for chrissake!

[Brando70]

An you're sure he is an actual MS engineer? I mean its on the internet so its got to be true right

I do not, but he was also pretty pro XBox. He was dispelling a lot of the hysteria except on that one point. Grain of salt, yes, but it does make me want clarification on the issue.

[Brando70]

Plus, it is slightly insulting to have a company assume you are a thief unless you prove otherwise.

Maybe indicative of a larger trend? Have you shopped in a Walgreens lately? Anything with a unit cost of over $3.99 is behind lock and key for chrissake!

Tell me about it. Having to ask for Magnum-sized rubbers can be awkward!

[Danimal]

An you're sure he is an actual MS engineer? I mean its on the internet so its got to be true right

I do not, but he was also pretty pro XBox. He was dispelling a lot of the hysteria except on that one point. Grain of salt, yes, but it does make me want clarification on the issue.

I was not trying to imply anything on you here btw. I was too lazy to go back through this thread and find the link. Was it an article from a website or just a forum post?

[dbdynsty25]

Plus, it is slightly insulting to have a company assume you are a thief unless you prove otherwise.

Maybe indicative of a larger trend? Have you shopped in a Walgreens lately? Anything with a unit cost of over $3.99 is behind lock and key for chrissake!

Tell me about it. Having to ask for Magnum-sized rubbers can be awkward!

I always hated buying personal items (like tampons) for my significant other. Clearly you agree.

[GameSeven]

Maybe indicative of a larger trend? Have you shopped in a Walgreens lately? Anything with a unit cost of over $3.99 is behind lock and key for chrissake!

My son got the Xbox Disc for Minecraft for his birthday and graciously accepted it from his Grandmother even though we've had the D/L version since the first week it was available. When I tried to ask for credit from my local Gamestop the kid backed away from it like it was cyanide because it was still in the wrapper. He goes on about how the game might be a stolen copy and there's nothing he could do unless I wanted to open it and come back... SMH. I know for a fact she got it at GS, just don't want to ask her if she still had the receipt...

Tell me about it. Having to ask for Magnum-sized rubbers can be awkward!

I always hated buying personal items (like tampons) for my significant other. Clearly you agree.

Zing! I lol'd

[RobVarak]

Tell me about it. Having to ask for Magnum-sized rubbers can be awkward!

I always hated buying personal items (like tampons) for my significant other. Clearly you agree.

Nicely played. Take the rest of the day off.

[Teal]

I always hated buying personal items (like tampons) for my significant other. Clearly you agree.

Forum post of the week, bar none...lol

[vader29]

[XXXIV]

Tell me about it. Having to ask for Magnum-sized rubbers can be awkward!

I always hated buying personal items (like tampons) for my significant other. Clearly you agree.

Nicely played. Take the rest of the day off.

+1

This thread has provided some great comedy moments.

[wco81]

I'd imagine the majority of publisher are going to implement the same thing they do now, the online pass. People are use to it so I don't think the uproar would be too bad.

As you said though what if a publisher wants to publish on Xbox and PS and need to spend extra $$$ to implement and maintain the online pass for their game on the PS. That is something I had not considered.

Peter Moore claims they're done with the online pass. It didn't bring significant revenues and it might have taken away some DLC sales.

[DivotMaker]

Peter Moore claims they're done with the online pass. It didn't bring significant revenues and it might have taken away some DLC sales.

Not sure how they think it took away from DLC sales since they offered 25% discounts on DLC for Season Pass users.....

[Danimal]

Peter Moore claims they're done with the online pass. It didn't bring significant revenues and it might have taken away some DLC sales.

Not sure how they think it took away from DLC sales since they offered 25% discounts on DLC for Season Pass users.....

I think he meant online pass, not season pass. I haven't read anything about that going away.

[DivotMaker]

Peter Moore claims they're done with the online pass. It didn't bring significant revenues and it might have taken away some DLC sales.

Not sure how they think it took away from DLC sales since they offered 25% discounts on DLC for Season Pass users.....

I think he meant online pass, not season pass. I haven't read anything about that going away.

Thanks.....my reading comprehension takes a dip before my first cup of coffee in the AM.....

[Danimal]

AHEM

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/micro ... 1100-4673/

[webdanzer]

AHEM

http://www.giantbomb.com/articles/micro ... 1100-4673/

You just beat me to it. Still a rumor, but nice if true:

Microsoft to Pull Complete Reversal on Xbox One DRM Policies
by Patrick Klepek on June 19, 2013
Sources indicate Microsoft is going to move away from what's caused the company so much headache.

The tug-of-war between Microsoft and Sony just got more interesting. Multiple sources inform me Microsoft will announce what amounts to a complete reversal on its DRM policies for Xbox One today.

What does this mean?

No more always online requirement
The console no longer has to check in every 24 hours
All game discs will work on Xbox One as they do on Xbox 360
An Internet connection is only required when initially setting up the console
All downloaded games will function the same when online or offline
No additional restrictions on trading games or loaning discs
Region locks have been dropped

It is unclear what caused this huge change in policy right after E3, a week where Microsoft executives spent days explaining, justifying, and talking about its policies to the press. I suspect Microsoft’s official announcement will say something to the effect of “we've been closely listening to consumer feedback.”