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So the FIA thinks Ferrari was guilty of illegal team orders but decided not to push them further because the rules are ambiguous. So if that's the case why have them in the first place. :roll:

And there's this fine excerpt from Autosport.com which makes Alonso's win even more impressive at Germany. Yup Alonso is clearly the better driver. I don't want to jinx McLaren but I hope both Lewis and Jenson scorch them with a 1-2 on their home turf.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86508

"The report also revealed that a few laps before the radio communication where Rob Smedley informed Massa that Alonso was faster than him, both drivers had been ordered to turn their engines down – before the Spaniard was allowed to turn his up again.

"Alonso increased his engine speed without Mr Felipe Massa's being informed," revealed the FIA document.
"Mr Fernando Alonso was therefore benefiting from a definite performance advantage over Mr Felipe Massa in the moments preceding the contentious overtaking."
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Hmmm not the results I was hoping for. OK reverse jinxing is in order here, need to dig deep. :lol: No question in my mind Alonso will finish ahead of his teammate for a Ferrari 1-2 at Monza and Jenson and Lewis will finish 23rd and 24th in tomorrows race.
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Ferrari must think F1 fans have short memories. :lol:

Ferrari denies Alonso now its No. 1

http://en.espnf1.com/ferrari/motorsport ... 28469.html

So I guess we all just imagined Alonso was actually faster than Massa with Felipe's engine not running at full power like Alonso. That team has become a joke. Please someone else beat these guys and take both Championships. :)
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A very proper MotoGP race this morning in Spain. Even in this electronics-addled era, no major series delivers more excitement and pure balls than MotoGP.

Congrats to Nicky Hayden for his first podium of 2010. Well deserved, too, as that pass of Lorenzo on the final lap was all testicles.
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I'm excited to see that next labor day both the Indycars and ALMS will be racing in downtown Baltimore, which is 45 minutes down the road from me. I can't wait to go! Although it may cost a bit more because I'll have to buy PK a beer or two... :D
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Gurantsu wrote:I'm excited to see that next labor day both the Indycars and ALMS will be racing in downtown Baltimore, which is 45 minutes down the road from me. I can't wait to go! Although it may cost a bit more because I'll have to buy PK a beer or two... :D
Just download his beer off the internet. :)
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Gurantsu wrote:I'm excited to see that next labor day both the Indycars and ALMS will be racing in downtown Baltimore, which is 45 minutes down the road from me. I can't wait to go! Although it may cost a bit more because I'll have to buy PK a beer or two... :D
I hope I'm working that race, Grant! Don't know my schedule for next year yet.
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I was just looking up F1 videos and came across these 2. The first one is from 97. Murray makes anything sound entertaining! I had no idea Schumacher cheated like this. I wasn't a fan of F1 in 97, so this is all new to me:

97:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgfuoSFerDU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lZWiZl2bGI


I know they say if you ain't cheating you ain't racing, but wow! 8O I never understood why anyone had any distain for Schumacher. As far as I knew, he was the Jack Nicklaus of F1. Polite. Professional. Top of the game. These old videos with Murray are just GREAT!!
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fletcher21 wrote:I know they say if you ain't cheating you ain't racing, but wow! 8O I never understood why anyone had any distain for Schumacher. As far as I knew, he was the Jack Nicklaus of F1. Polite. Professional. Top of the game. These old videos with Murray are just GREAT!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Sc ... ontroversy doesn't even begin to scratch the surface, but I'd recommend reading it anyway.

As far as Murray goes, I wasn't aware there was such a thing as a bad motor race until he retired. Can he make anything sound exciting? Judge for yourself:

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I have a special place in my heart for the 1998 season. F1 World Grand Prix was released in 98 for N64, and it was a representation of the 97 season if I recall. I never even knew who Villeneuve was, since he is known as "driver Williams" in the game. I read later that he refused to be in the game, so they had to just call him a generic name based on his team.


There are a LOT of awesome videos on YouTube with the FULL race from 97,98 and other seasons. I dunno, but the cars just looked so much better back then than they do now. Am I wrong? The old Benneton car is my all time favorite looking F1 car. Love the looks and the colors.

Here are some fun videos:

98 Italy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OelgU69Y ... =1&index=2

97 Germany:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTsSi3OSidY

01 Belgium

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaMKItxx ... re=related





There are many, many more videos from this poster. I have a lot of catching up to do! :)
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fletcher21 wrote:I know they say if you ain't cheating you ain't racing, but wow! 8O I never understood why anyone had any distain for Schumacher. As far as I knew, he was the Jack Nicklaus of F1. Polite. Professional. Top of the game. These old videos with Murray are just GREAT!!
Schumacher? Polite? Professional? Man, that's an odd alternative motor racing universe in which you live.

This guy redefined low-blow Machiavellian tactics behind the wheel of a car. If he drove in the 60s, he would have kept casket carpenters busy for his rivals -- and himself.
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What are you guys' thoughts on the Austin circuit?

http://www.formula1.com/assets/pdf/F1%2 ... vation.pdf

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/ ... 11198.html


I am kinda wondering why it claims they took bits and pieces from other tracks and turned it into their own track. Is this a good idea, or does it sound like a developer who lacks imagination? I am very intrigued with the long uphill to the first corner which is a hairpin. That sounds awesome! I am just wondering how this track will be perceived? I have a few friends in the UK, and they think the US is a joke when it comes to F1. Indy would have been perfect to continue on the F1 tradition, but money always ruins good things. I think the US needs a GOOD F1 driver for anyone here to really care too much. Jeff Gordon really turned a lot of people on to neck car with his good looks and driving style. We need the next Hamilton to be an American.

One last thing. Why did they pick Austin of all areas? Why not a track that is already made, such as Road America or Road Atlanta?
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Are there even any up and coming American drivers in the F1 pipeline? I remember 10 years ago people were saying Jeff Gordon would be a perfect fit. Didn't he struggle BADLY when him and Montoya "swapped" cars? I seem to remember reading he struggled to even keep his head up at speed?
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fletcher21 wrote:Are there even any up and coming American drivers in the F1 pipeline? I remember 10 years ago people were saying Jeff Gordon would be a perfect fit. Didn't he struggle BADLY when him and Montoya "swapped" cars? I seem to remember reading he struggled to even keep his head up at speed?
Nooooo !

Actually Gordo turned some serious heads and impressed when he drove Montoya's car. IIRC maybe Adam or PK can confirm he was like under a second off the current pace for the previous year and that was a driver who never looked at an F1 car. Schumacher even asked Gordo to make the switch to F1.
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fletcher21 wrote:Are there even any up and coming American drivers in the F1 pipeline? I remember 10 years ago people were saying Jeff Gordon would be a perfect fit. Didn't he struggle BADLY when him and Montoya "swapped" cars? I seem to remember reading he struggled to even keep his head up at speed?
Gordon was VERY quick during the Tradin' Paint promotion with Montoya. He was only about 1.5 seconds off the pace from what I recall. Sir Frank Williams pushed pretty hard to inquire about Gordon's services after that eye-popping demonstration.

As for Yanks in the F1 pipeline, it's slim pickins. Perhaps the best prospect is Conor Daly, the 18-year-old son of former F1 and IndyCar driver Derek Daly. He destroyed the field in the Star Mazda Championship this season and has clearly stated F1 as his goal. His father's contacts in Europe should help him get a possible foot into the door of some F1 factories for a visit or a chat.
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Fletch, Rod's assertion that Schumacher asked Gordon to come to F1 is something I'll have to look into (at least, I don't think I've heard it before), but the esteemed gentlemen before me are correct: Jeff was very, very impressive in the Williams. One of several men in NASCAR who I feel could quite easily have given F1 a hell of a good run under different circumstances.
fletcher21 wrote:I have a few friends in the UK, and they think the US is a joke when it comes to F1. Indy would have been perfect to continue on the F1 tradition, but money always ruins good things. I think the US needs a GOOD F1 driver for anyone here to really care too much. Jeff Gordon really turned a lot of people on to neck car with his good looks and driving style. We need the next Hamilton to be an American.

One last thing. Why did they pick Austin of all areas? Why not a track that is already made, such as Road America or Road Atlanta?
Because there isn't a track in the USA, Indianapolis excepted, with the infrastructure to host Formula One races, and because there aren't many more that reach the FIA's required safety standards. I don't know about Road Atlanta, though I suspect it would fall short, but Road America would need an awful lot doing to it. Same deal at the Glen, or at Laguna (have a look at how much run-off there is at the Corkscrew. There isn't very much) or pretty much any other fabulous American track you could name. Getting F1 to go to any of them, then watching the changes that would need to be made..."be careful what you wish for" is the phrase that comes to mind.

Further to that, you can bet the house that when Bernie's thinking up his next ideal F1 venue, he isn't thinking of a track just outside a little village in Wisconsin.

When you talk about the UK, you talk about a country whose total landmass isn't that much greater than, for example, that of Florida. I could quite easily drive down the entire country in a day, and across it in far less time even than that. We don't have massive domestic series like NASCAR or the IndyCar Series - our biggest is probably the BTCC, but its drivers are known better for a few brief appearances on Top Gear (and Tom Chilton's recent appearance on a dating show. I sh*t you not) than for anything they've ever done on a racetrack. You don't see Jason Plato or Matt Neal during a commercial break like you might see Joey Logano advertising Home Depot or Jimmie Johnson with a smattering of Lowe's employees.

It's alright for people here to view the USA as a joke in F1 terms, and the USF1 saga won't have done very much at all to shift that view, but the truth of the matter is that we're approaching F1 from two completely different angles. Without it, British racing would exclusively be the domain of the enthusiast. America already has plenty of its own high-performance, big money racing to attract the casuals - there's no pressing need to have F1 established there, and you could just as easily argue that there's no obvious place for it either.
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I admit that my main interest in F1 is the tracks and the history of them. Even many of the NASCAR tracks have interesting histories. So all these new venues do nothing to catch my eye. Most of the races this year I have watched on my DVR and I fast forward through most of them. F1's focus hasn't been on racing in years. It's the Hollywood of racing, it may look like a race but it's probably just special effects! :lol:

So let Bernie and the circus build another cookie cutter track, I'll be watcing ALMS at Mosport or Indycar at Road America.

Speaking of which, are there any good books about race tracks and their histories? Not just F1 but any tracks. I have a cool book about baseball parks that I love called Green Cathedrals with short stories and pictures about the ballparks, I'd love something similar for race tracks.
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An F1 track guide for you here, Grant:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Grand-Prix-Batt ... 153&sr=1-1

I haven't read it so can't comment on the quality, but I'm a fan of the author, Christopher Hilton. It is however a fact that there seem to be two of him: the producer of high-quality, well researched racing books (his book on the 1982 season is one of my favourites in my collection) and the writer of quick, potboiling tat for the Christmas market. Sometimes, as with his book on the Le Mans disaster of 1955, you get the bonus of seeing both of them at once. It's also time, high time, to work out why he's so fond of starting sentences with the words, "It is time, high time."

Alan Henry may well have written one in the recent past too, but Henry's writing is generally too dry and, dare I say, dull for my tastes.
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Good post, Simo.

I just kinda was struck when the description of the US track @ Austin boasts that it takes the best parts of several tracks and tries to make them it's own. Reminds me of Major League Baseball stadiums. Camden Yards brought the "vintage" look back, and you see a lot of new parks that play into that. I will still watch the USGP, but I would rather see a track somewhere that's never had F1, such as Norway (I'm Norwegian, so maybe a bit of bias)
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HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA!!! Video is NSFW due to one use of the f word. HILARIOUS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwthZnF8 ... r_embedded
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Did anyone watch this race live? The start with all the sparks is nuts!! Wasn't this back when they had turbo v8 that put out well over 1,000HP?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybtxUQ8K ... re=related
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fletcher21 wrote:Did anyone watch this race live? The start with all the sparks is nuts!! Wasn't this back when they had turbo v8 that put out well over 1,000HP?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybtxUQ8K ... re=related
Nay. The turbo V6 engines last appeared in F1 in 1988. The engines here are a mix of V8, V10 and V12 units, all of them normally aspirated. The more powerful engines at that time were probably knocking on the door of 700 bhp, ish.

The first race I saw in its entirety was the 1991 San Marino event - quite why that appealed to me as a 5 year old, I don't recall, but it did - though I do have a dim, distant memory of watching the highlights show for the 1991 Phoenix race on BBC. The circuit that year was altered from the one in your link, changing to a shorter layout which I've always preferred. 1991 was the last year F1 visited Phoenix - the story goes that an ostrich race shortly after the 1991 event attracted more spectators than the F1 did, though I don't know whether that's true, or indeed whether we're dealing with a single race or the entire ostrich festival that takes place in the area...

The sparks were coming from titanium skid blocks designed to stop the monocoque from taking a bashing against the racetrack when the cars were full of fuel. They looked brilliant, even enhancing overtaking moves that were plenty spectacular enough by themselves. Witness this effort from noted racer and amateur dramatist Nigel Mansell:

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A snippet for you all from this month's issue of Motor Sport, which fell through my letterbox today and, given their usual US distribution, should be with you this coming Easter. Rubens Barrichello talks contracts - all of it is interesting, but the last few words grabbed me:

"Well, it was quite funny. I'd talked with Williams as early as Barcelona in May, and we kept in touch. As far as staying with Brawn was concerned, it...seemed to be taking longer than normal to talk about it. It was like...you call your girlfriend and her friend says, "Oh, she's taking a shower, she'll call you later." She doesn't call, so you call back and, "Oh, she's studying, she'll call you later." Soon you think there's something wrong here and you want to find out what it is. At Nurburgring I asked Ross why it was taking so long to re-sign, and he said maybe nothing would be done until after the young driver tests. I got a message from that - I didn't want to wait for four months again, like I had the year before.

"I've always had a passion for Williams - when I was a kid, racing my kart, it was always Williams I dreamed of driving for one day, and I signed a contract with Frank. Then we got almost to the end of the season, to Brazil, and I had an offer from Brawn - and also from McLaren..."
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Surely somebody else - that is, somebody who wasn't working Homestead - watched the IndyCar finale last weekend? Shame it ended as it did, with Power up in the fence, but I was thrilled to see Dario, a class act who must surely be among the very best Britain has ever produced, take another title. I was almost as thrilled to see The Doctor giving Lorenzo the elbow at Motegi. I've played games of Road Rash that ended up more peaceful than their duel.

Where's TK likely to be next season?
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GB_Simo wrote:Surely somebody else - that is, somebody who wasn't working Homestead - watched the IndyCar finale last weekend?
I was watching the Indycar finale Adam! :) I was pulling for Penske and Will Power, but Dario is certainly deserving of the title and my wife loves him. What was up with trophy, it almost looked like there was a misplaced appendage?
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