OT: Election/Politics thread, Part 6

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:34 pm

Feanor wrote:Buying a dog from a proper breeder is fine

Well you and I can agree on that, Ingrid and her crew would disagree wholeheartedly.

Macca00 · Post by **Macca00** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:10 pm

bdoughty wrote: Well you and I can agree on that, Ingrid and her crew would disagree wholeheartedly.

Ingrid is also against guide dogs for the blind and any cure for AIDS that would come from animal research. She's a swell gal.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:15 pm

How has some intrepid young programmer not made a flash game where you hurl flaming cats and dogs at this sorry excuse for human being?

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:33 pm

RobVarak wrote:How has some intrepid young programmer not made a flash game where you hurl flaming cats and dogs at this sorry excuse for human being?

They are too busy making flash games for that sorry excuse for a human being.

http://www.peta.org/cooking-mama/index.asp

Actually pretty fun and you have to wonder how does Nintendo not sue the heck out of them.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:37 pm

Macca00 wrote:Ingrid is also against guide dogs for the blind and any cure for AIDS that would come from animal research. She's a swell gal.

Yep, one of the best videos to show what hypocrites PETA are, is the Penn and Teller BS on them.

Three parts for those who have not seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0exLa6saV9o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Eo4KtBJFc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXjwDqz4gWM

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:30 pm

bdoughty wrote:
Macca00 wrote:Ingrid is also against guide dogs for the blind and any cure for AIDS that would come from animal research. She's a swell gal.
Yep, one of the best videos to show what hypocrites PETA are, is the Penn and Teller BS on them.

Three parts for those who have not seen it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0exLa6saV9o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4Eo4KtBJFc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXjwDqz4gWM

Funny but sad. That is some major bullshit. The people that compare animals to Jews in concentration camps or slavery need to be put in insane asylums. And if they ever fu*k with Whataburger I'm declaring Jehad on PETA.

Speaking of the latter. Can you send me a few Triple Meat & Triple Cheese Whataburgers this way for Christmas?? I will pay!!!

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:34 pm

JackDog wrote: Speaking of the latter. Can you send me a few Triple Meat & Triple Cheese Whataburgers this way for Christmas?? I will pay!!!

Yes, you would pay, by having a coronary after eating a few of those.

If there was a good way to ship em to you and I would gladly do it.

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:04 pm

bdoughty wrote:
JackDog wrote: Speaking of the latter. Can you send me a few Triple Meat & Triple Cheese Whataburgers this way for Christmas?? I will pay!!!
Yes, you would pay, by having a coronary after eating a few of those.

If there was a good way to ship em to you and I would gladly do it.

My mind is at work on that as I type. dom and I would love to unwrap a few of those on Christmas day.

macsomjrr · Post by **macsomjrr** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:05 pm

Feanor wrote:Buying a dog from a proper breeder is fine, buying a dog from a puppy mill would be a disgrace.

As someone who is pursuing a career as a shelter veterinarian I would wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. If you have spent any time in an animal shelter with the dogs and cats that are unfortunate enough to end up there I would hope that you would see that breeders who continue to worsen an already atrocious animal overpopulation crisis are not doing dogs or cats any favors.

Every year more than 3,000,000 dogs and cats (sheltermedicine.com, UC Davis SVM Koret Shelter Medicine Program) are euthanized in animal shelters across the entire country. That is 3 million. Not thousand. Every single year. This is a problem that breeders are making worse, not better.

I recently had a shelter veterinarian tell me that her hand would literally cramp up because of the number of animals she'd have to euthanize in one day.

Anyone who would consider purchasing a dog or cat from a breeder while perfectly good shelter animals are being euthanized at the current rate is completely nuts and inhumane in my book.

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:11 pm

macsomjrr wrote:
Anyone who would consider purchasing a dog or cat from a breeder while perfectly good shelter animals are being euthanized at the current rate is completely nuts and inhumane in my book.

No doubt!! We replaced our family cat with two new family cats from our local shelter. We didn't have the heart to seperate the two of them. We got them both with all shots,spayed and declawed for 245 bucks. They are both 2 year old female cats. My son named them Maze and Blue.

macsomjrr · Post by **macsomjrr** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 10:30 pm

JackDog wrote:
macsomjrr wrote:
Anyone who would consider purchasing a dog or cat from a breeder while perfectly good shelter animals are being euthanized at the current rate is completely nuts and inhumane in my book.
No doubt!! We replaced our family cat with two new family cats from our local shelter. We didn't have the heart to seperate the two of them. We got them both with all shots,spayed and declawed for 245 bucks. They are both 2 year old female cats. My son named them Maze and Blue.

Call me sappy but stories like that pull a big smile on my face. Thanks for sharing JD:)

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:18 pm

JackDog wrote:My mind is at work on that as I type. dom and I would love to unwrap a few of those on Christmas day.

You figure out a way and I will make sure they get there.

macsomjrr,

Kudos on the job choice. I work part time for a local Vet, doing their internet site and such. Sadly, no matter where some pets come from (shelters/breeders), there is no license required for pet ownership. I have seen far too many perfectly healthy pets brought in to be euthanized, for such things as...

They pottied on the rug.
They were more hassle than they expected.
Did not care for the breed, going to try another one.
Had no idea that "x" breed shed.

The Vet can offer to take it and try to train it, etc, but if the owner refuses, the animal must be euthanized (not all vets will do this but there are plenty that will).

People do suck sometimes.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:11 am

macsomjrr wrote:
Feanor wrote:Buying a dog from a proper breeder is fine, buying a dog from a puppy mill would be a disgrace.
As someone who is pursuing a career as a shelter veterinarian I would wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. If you have spent any time in an animal shelter with the dogs and cats that are unfortunate enough to end up there I would hope that you would see that breeders who continue to worsen an already atrocious animal overpopulation crisis are not doing dogs or cats any favors.

Every year more than 3,000,000 dogs and cats (sheltermedicine.com, UC Davis SVM Koret Shelter Medicine Program) are euthanized in animal shelters across the entire country. That is 3 million. Not thousand. Every single year. This is a problem that breeders are making worse, not better.

I recently had a shelter veterinarian tell me that her hand would literally cramp up because of the number of animals she'd have to euthanize in one day.

Anyone who would consider purchasing a dog or cat from a breeder while perfectly good shelter animals are being euthanized at the current rate is completely nuts and inhumane in my book.

Blame all the pet shows and even the AKC.

I was disheartened to learn the AKC, accepted border collies into their classification. I always thought the border collie wasn't inbred as much as other types of dogs. They were bred for traits and in-breeding them would hurt their ability to herd. Maybe Macsom, you could clarify that a bit.

My "Quarter" is a shelter dog and a border collie. After him, I'm a border collie man for life. Next time, I'll probably find a border collie pup at a border collie rescue. Wonderful class of dog. He's way too smart.

macsomjrr · Post by **macsomjrr** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 6:41 am

JRod wrote:
macsomjrr wrote:
Feanor wrote:Buying a dog from a proper breeder is fine, buying a dog from a puppy mill would be a disgrace.
As someone who is pursuing a career as a shelter veterinarian I would wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. If you have spent any time in an animal shelter with the dogs and cats that are unfortunate enough to end up there I would hope that you would see that breeders who continue to worsen an already atrocious animal overpopulation crisis are not doing dogs or cats any favors.

Every year more than 3,000,000 dogs and cats (sheltermedicine.com, UC Davis SVM Koret Shelter Medicine Program) are euthanized in animal shelters across the entire country. That is 3 million. Not thousand. Every single year. This is a problem that breeders are making worse, not better.

I recently had a shelter veterinarian tell me that her hand would literally cramp up because of the number of animals she'd have to euthanize in one day.

Anyone who would consider purchasing a dog or cat from a breeder while perfectly good shelter animals are being euthanized at the current rate is completely nuts and inhumane in my book.
Blame all the pet shows and even the AKC.

I was disheartened to learn the AKC, accepted border collies into their classification. I always thought the border collie wasn't inbred as much as other types of dogs. They were bred for traits and in-breeding them would hurt their ability to herd. Maybe Macsom, you could clarify that a bit.

My "Quarter" is a shelter dog and a border collie. After him, I'm a border collie man for life. Next time, I'll probably find a border collie pup at a border collie rescue. Wonderful class of dog. He's way too smart.

Don't even get me started on the AKC

This is a "club" that still believes, even in the face of the American Veterinary Medical Association (the largest conglomeration of veterinarians in the US) outright denying any medical benefits and in fact stating the opposite, that cosmetic surgeries such as ear cropping and tail docking are still necessary to maintain "breed standards." Disgusting.

As far as border collies go I'm not a breed expert by any means but I will tell you that you are correct that pure bred dogs have many negative traits that are bred into their genes as a result of selective breeding programs. It is extraordinarily difficult to select for certain genes individually using breeding programs and it is because of this veterinarians, myself included, will simply look at a certain breed of dog and immediately rattle off the top 2-3 or more diseases commonly seen, in some cases almost exclusively, in that breed. Some breeds are healthier than others. German Shepherds and Cocker Spaniels immediately spring to mind as breeds that are absolutely riddled with problems.

Of course most breeders often don't mention that to prospective buyers. They leave it up to the vet to explain that to them 3-4 years down the road when the dog starts walking funny, or vomiting constantly, or can't get up any more.

Not that all breeders are money hungry dog/cat haters, I think most of them truly believe they are breeding for justifiable reasons and simply don't understand the gravity of the situation. Heck many people working in the veterinary profession don't understand the gravity of the situation. But it is what it is. You either care or you don't.

Mixes do not suffer the same fate as they have the benefit of a wider, more varied gene pool that stifles out recessive traits resulting is much healthier, happier, more balanced dog. I try to tell anyone and everyone to adopt a mixed breed dog from the shelter. Are they guaranteed to be problem free? No. But as a group they are far healthier.

I could go on forever on this topic but I'll shut the he** up. For now:)

fsquid · Post by **fsquid** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:11 am

First, whataburger is possibly God's greatest gift to us all.

Second, I also try to adopt from shelters when we are looking for a pet. Both cats we have came from there and they are great ones. One even acts like a dog and watches our toddler like one.

Jackdog · Post by **Jackdog** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:31 am

fsquid wrote:First, whataburger is possibly God's greatest gift to us all.

Second, I also try to adopt from shelters when we are looking for a pet. Both cats we have came from there and they are great ones. One even acts like a dog and watches our toddler like one.

Amen on both points!!

TheGamer · Post by **TheGamer** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:08 am

As a self-proclaimed burger expert, (meaning I eat way too many), Whataburger has got to be the worst burger I've ever eaten. I'm surprised at the love fest going on here for the hockey puck sandwich. The burger I had from there was hard and dry and just sloppy. You guys would do yourselves a big favor by visiting this establishment, they will ship:

Portillos.com

I'm sure most of the Chicago guys will agree that this is one of the best spots for burgers and Italian beefs.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:25 am

TheGamer wrote:As a self-proclaimed burger expert, (meaning I eat way too many), Whataburger has got to be the worst burger I've ever eaten. I'm surprised at the love fest going on here for the hockey puck sandwich. The burger I had from there was hard and dry and just sloppy. You guys would do yourselves a big favor by visiting this establishment, they will ship:

Portillos.com

I'm sure most of the Chicago guys will agree that this is one of the best spots for burgers and Italian beefs.

I don't think Portillos is an apples to apples comparison. They do make a great burger, although I think their Italan beef is hugely overrated when compared to Buona or about 100 different beef stands around the city. For chains you can't beat the combo from Buona beef. Al's in Oak Park, Little Joe's in Countryside and Paul's in Westchester also have good stuff. The greatest beef ever made was at Charger Inn in Westchester. That was mythically great beef.

Sorry about the Italian beef tangent. Where was I?

I haven't had a Whataburger, but I can't thank Kanye West enough for opening a Fatburger in Chicagoland. Usually I just get my fix when I'm in AZ for Spring Training, but I was able to partake of the glory of a double fatburger last month when shopping at Orland Park Mall.

bdoughty · Post by **bdoughty** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:01 pm

TheGamer wrote:As a self-proclaimed burger expert, (meaning I eat way too many), Whataburger has got to be the worst burger I've ever eaten. I'm surprised at the love fest going on here for the hockey puck sandwich. The burger I had from there was hard and dry and just sloppy.

Any true burger expert (of which I am) would realize that you must eat at an establishment more than once to make a judgment. Also you are comparing a fast food joint to what appears to be typical restaurant.

I spent a month in Chicago last winter, coldest month of my life. I learned a few things from that adventure, dining related.

Chicago pizza is overrated.
White Castle burgers make for a good laxative.
Burger King in Chicago tastes just like Burger King in Lubbock.
Stake & Shake is terribly overpriced.
Culvers is a really good high end fast food place. The butter burger was tasty.
Had a few really good hot dogs.
Had a few good meals downtown, don't remember the names but the Chicago downtown experience was really cool and made the trip for me.

oh and I forgot

yum... Those little ketchup packets are quite tasty with the fries. I love Heinz ketchup but Whataburger ketchup tops it.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:10 pm

bdoughty wrote: Chicago pizza is overrated..

That's just silly.

bdoughty wrote:White Castle burgers make for a good laxative.

100% accurate. Doesn't make them any less delicious.

bdoughty wrote:Stake & Shake is terribly overpriced.

True. And their fries suck. I mean they're not Burger King bad, but they're not good.

bdoughty wrote:Culvers is a really good high end fast food place. The butter burger was tasty.

Agreed. It's even worth waiting through their ridiculous drive-through system for a Swiss & Mushroom.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:21 pm

RobVarak wrote:
bdoughty wrote: Chicago pizza is overrated..
That's just silly.

Far beyond silly...f***in insane.

Which pizza did you have?

TheGamer · Post by **TheGamer** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:31 pm

Any true burger expert (of which I am) would realize that you must eat at an establishment more than once to make a judgment.

Well if some can say a video game is crap after 10 minutes at a kiosk, I can say that a particular burger is crap after eating the whole damn thing. Comparing Whataburger to Portillo's isn't even close, (JD was talking about having WAB shipped, so I was trying to give a better alternative), but I wouldn't put WAB in the same class taste wise as Wendy's, BK or McD. As far as fast food chains, Sonic Burgers are the best. Have a hard time understanding though, why there are so many Sonic commercials aired in Chicago, when the closest store is in Springfield 200 miles away. I really believe its done to taunt me.

As far as Chicago pizza being overrated, I tend to agree when it comes to the deep dish/thick crust. Too much bread for my tastes.

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:36 pm

TheGamer wrote:, Sonic Burgers are the best. Have a hard time understanding though, why there are so many Sonic commercials aired in Chicago, when the closest store is in Springfield 200 miles away. I really believe its done to taunt me.

http://chicagoweekendfun.com/2008/08/19 ... ant-opens/

TheGamer · Post by **TheGamer** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:42 pm

It was really better for my health believing Sonic was 200 miles away. Now when the wife says she wants to go to the outlet mall in Aurora I can't make it look like I'm really being a good husband and not going for selfish reasons.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:50 pm

XXXIV wrote:
RobVarak wrote:
bdoughty wrote: Chicago pizza is overrated..
That's just silly.

Far beyond silly...f***in insane.

Which pizza did you have?

No kidding. It's like saying, "You know what, blow jobs are overrated."