OT: Elections/Politics thread, part 5

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:24 am

JackDog wrote:Rhetoric vs Facts. Both tax plans are discussed.

Bob Beckel,Geraldine Ferrero,Michael Steele and Hannity.

http://townhall.com/video/FoxNews/2176_ ... lans_B1200

Hannity!!! ??? get serious!

(Teal impression over

)

FatPitcher · Post by **FatPitcher** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:30 am

JackB1 wrote:
JackDog wrote:Rhetoric vs Facts. Both tax plans are discussed.

Bob Beckel,Geraldine Ferrero,Michael Steele and Hannity.

http://townhall.com/video/FoxNews/2176_ ... lans_B1200

Hannity!!! ??? get serious! (Teal impression over )

Hannity was probably on the Rhetoric team in that matchup

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:36 am

JackB1 wrote:
JackDog wrote:Rhetoric vs Facts. Both tax plans are discussed.

Bob Beckel,Geraldine Ferrero,Michael Steele and Hannity.

http://townhall.com/video/FoxNews/2176_ ... lans_B1200

Hannity!!! ??? get serious! (Teal impression over )

Teal impression!!! ??? get serious!

What was the impression-the caracature reaction, or the smiley?

'cuz outside of not being yellow, and a little facial hair, I think it's a pretty fair matchup...

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:38 am

Teal,

Hope you said "Hi" to Eva and Adolph while visitng Berchtesgarten. Was the Wienerschitzel everything that it's cracked up to be?

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 2:32 am

RobVarak wrote:Teal,

Hope you said "Hi" to Eva and Adolph while visitng Berchtesgarten. Was the Wienerschitzel everything that it's cracked up to be?

Yeah, they told me to tell you heil- and Adolf said his weinershnitzel is yours and yours alone...

That's Buena Vista, CO in February. Pretty damned beautiful.

...and the scenery ain't too shabby, either...

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:26 am

I was just thinking, "Where the hell in Alabama looks like THAT?"

This is what it looks like right now in my neck of the woods:

It's a wonderful time of year. Pause, look at the pictures and enjoy the break from partisan politics, boys.

Take care,
PK

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:30 am

If Obama wins he's gong to tax the leaves!!

Stunning pictures, pk. Really nice.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:48 am

RobVarak wrote:Well apparently The Tax Policy Center study that you cited swallowed it hook line and sinker as well:

As in 2009, about 15 percent of households would see an increase in their EMTR. Households in the $30,000 - $50,000 and $75,000 to $200,000 income ranges would be the most likely to face an increased EMTR.

I looked over the Brookings Institute white paper that JRod referenced, and their EMTR listing for Obama's plan does not show an increase. They show a slight decrease of 0.3-0.5% compared to current law. McCain's plan shows cuts across the board, even compared to extending the Bush tax cuts. This is based on Figure 8 on p. 24.

I'd like to read the report in more detail to see if I can figure out why the numbers are different, but that's what I noticed at a glance. Again, I'm no expert, so I may be misinterpreting this info.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:51 am

PK, those pictures are great. We drove through the UP this weekend and were treated to a very similar scene. It's the last bit of beauty before the icy nutsack of winter teabags us.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:52 am

Full disclosure, Rob: I didn't take them. Copied them from syracuse.com. They were taken at Green Lakes State Park, about 20 miles east of here. It's about 4 miles from my folks' house.

Take care,
PK

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:03 am

Brando70 wrote:
RobVarak wrote:Well apparently The Tax Policy Center study that you cited swallowed it hook line and sinker as well:

As in 2009, about 15 percent of households would see an increase in their EMTR. Households in the $30,000 - $50,000 and $75,000 to $200,000 income ranges would be the most likely to face an increased EMTR.
I looked over the Brookings Institute white paper that JRod referenced, and their EMTR listing for Obama's plan does not show an increase. They show a slight decrease of 0.3-0.5% compared to current law. McCain's plan shows cuts across the board, even compared to extending the Bush tax cuts. This is based on Figure 8 on p. 24.

I'd like to read the report in more detail to see if I can figure out why the numbers are different, but that's what I noticed at a glance. Again, I'm no expert, so I may be misinterpreting this info.

That quote is from the Brookings paper.

What's interesting is that we've gone on for page after page, but there's really been no disputing that included in Obama's 95% number are the 30% of American workers who pay no income tax already.

It's basically political malpractice that the McCain campaign has not been pointing this out.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:21 am

Brando70 wrote:...before the icy nutsack of winter teabags us.

beautifully said

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:24 am

RobVarak wrote:
What's interesting is that we've gone on for page after page, but there's really been no disputing that included in Obama's 95% number are the 30% of American workers who pay no income tax already.

I agree this sucks, but how could he restrict that 30%? Aren't those people that get paid "under the table"? If not, could you explain who exactly makes up that 30%?

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:29 am

RobVarak wrote:That quote is from the Brookings paper.

Your peanut butter is in my chocolate!

I got my tax foundations mixed up. My head officially hurts.

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:29 am

JackB1 wrote:
Brando70 wrote:...before the icy nutsack of winter teabags us.
beautifully said

Oh, for f*ck's sake: You moved to Atlanta from Florida. You haven't experienced a real winter since you left Jersey, man!

I can't wait for winter. SKIING! POND HOCKEY!

Take care,
PK

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:37 am

pk500 wrote:
JackB1 wrote:
Brando70 wrote:...before the icy nutsack of winter teabags us.
beautifully said
Oh, for f*ck's sake: You moved to Atlanta from Florida. You haven't experienced a real winter since you left Jersey, man!

I can't wait for winter. SKIING! POND HOCKEY!

Take care,
PK

Hey we had snow 3 times last year!

Seriously, it's not a "New York Winter", but Atlanta has a winter. Many weeks of 20-30 deg. temps.

Ah... the memories of playing pond hockey growing up in No Jersey

I always played with older, bigger kids, so whenever the puck went onto shaky, thin ice, I had to go get it, since I was smaller and lighter. Kind of like a "right of passage".

RobVarak · Post by **RobVarak** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:24 am

Incidentally, anyone who's a junkie for all things political, particularly cammpaigns, should check out Reagan's Revolution by Craig Shirley.

http://www.amazon.com/Reagans-Revolutio ... 734&sr=8-1

Interestingly, it's not about his 1980 victory, but about his challenge of Ford in 1976. It's refreshing to read something that isn't outright hagiograpy about Reagan and which also has interesting insight into the Ford White House...both are in short supply.

Shipley's a first-time author and not the most brilliant stylist, but his narrative flows well and moves along briskly. In addition to its main theme of how the campaign laid the foundation for Reagan's 1980 win and subsequent administration, it's also a great peak behind the curtain of GOP leadership that would shape the next 30 years. There is insight into the relationships and rivalries involving Cheney, George H.W. Bush, Rumsfeld, Kissinger, Schultz, Nofziger, and many others.

Shipley's a lobbyist and consultant by trade, so it also has a ton of great "inside baseball" about how campaigns were run in the wild days just after the FEC was passed, and before the internet revolutionized fundraising. It's also a window into Reagan's leadership style and political instincts. Highly recommended to political fans of any ideological stripe.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:30 am

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081015/ap_ ... ea/ml_iraq

Another Al-Queda operative assumes room temperature in the 'illegal' and 'ill advised' war in Iraq.

Teal · Post by **Teal** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:39 am

That's it-Palin has gone too far now. She has gone into an evil Wal Mart...

http://www.mydailysentinel.com/articles ... news00.txt

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:43 am

Teal wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081015/ap_ ... ea/ml_iraq

Another Al-Queda operative assumes room temperature in the 'illegal' and 'ill advised' war in Iraq.

Sorry, but I wouldn't trade 4,000 American Lives + almost a trillion dollars for the #2 guy in Al Queda. I am glad we got this lowlife, but the costs have been far too great. I would rather see a good portion of these 140,000 soldiers used in Afghanistan where the situation has deteriorated so badly, the army there is asking Washington for a new "plan". We can continue to fight terrorism smarter in the middle east with special task forces and intelligence instead of hundreds of thousands of soldiers on the ground.

webdanzer · Post by **webdanzer** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:50 am

I was actually going to make a joke asking if it was another number two...

...and sure enough, it was!

Al Qaeda must issue all their # 2's red shirts or something...

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:56 am

Teal wrote:That's it-Palin has gone too far now. She has gone into an evil Wal Mart...

http://www.mydailysentinel.com/articles ... news00.txt

Wow. She stopped to buy some diapers for her kid. She's such a good Mom!

Why is this even news?

"Wait!...this BREAKING NEWS just in!! Joe Biden has just stopped off at a 7/11 to pick up some Twinkies and a Mountain Dew!" Said a shocked cashier "He's such a great guy! He gave me a $3 for a $2.92 bill and told me to keep the change. He really cares about the little people".

GTHobbes · Post by **GTHobbes** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:58 am

I still can't believe the free pass this lady's getting in the campaign:

"Time for Palin to answer tough questions"

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/14/ ... index.html

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:59 am

GTHobbes wrote:I still can't believe the free pass this lady's getting in the campaign:

Im feeling the exact same way about Obama . Especially that total bullshit tax plan.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Wed Oct 15, 2008 12:09 pm

Now that Obama has a 13 pt lead

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/ ... tRailInner

tonite's debate may be the final nail in the coffin for McCain, unless he can say something to really turn things around. Rumor has it he's going to keep playing up the Bill Ayers thing. We all saw how well that worked for Hillary.
Clearly the American public is tired of these negative attacks the McCain/Palin camp has been trying these past few weeks, as seen in the polls. If McCain can't assure the electorate that he has a solid plan to get our economy back on track, it doesn't matter how many "terrorist pals" Obama has in his neighborhood.