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matthewk wrote:
wco81 wrote:But this kind of economic Darwinist cure wouldn't have punished just those who made bad decisions. It would have hurt everyone. The economy is heavily dependent on the banking system. Bank failures would have taken down a lot of other companies and businesses with them.

The damage would not have been limited to just a few bad actors.
How does throwing money we don't have at the problem not hurt everyone anyways? Plus, this only encourages them to perform similar stunts in the future because we've done nothing to "teach them their lesson" so to speak. It also does not fix the root cause of what has gotten them into this mess.

I also said that I don't think they had much choice when it came to Freddie & Fannie. That's a whole different problem that needs to be dealt with. Right now I'm more afraid of how many more companies the government is going to bail out.
Apparently they think the alternative of not doing this is worse.

Again, the damage won't be limited to those who need to learn a lesson.

Taxpayer-funded bailout may leave a bad taste but bank failures and economic panic may be a lot worse.

You would think after all this, these institutions are going to be on a tighter leash. One place to start is to get rid of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. People can whine about govt. not getting into the business of Wall Street or govt. bureaucrats not being smart enough to watch over the whizzes on Wall Street.

But they're on our dime now and we've learned that those brainy people on Wall Street left to their own devices caused this disaster.
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Teal wrote: Yes, I still feel like 'sheeshing'. It may come as quite the surprise, but I've read this whole thread and kept up with it. I've paid plenty of attention; you don't need to be making assessments based upon information you don't have. Your remark is still one for scrutinizing, because you act as if there's some sort of different level of race for blacks, and for everyone else.

And for the record, the whole 'white' thing...it's not a 'race'. That's ludicrous. I've got all sorts of different backgrounds running through my veins, but am forced, since I am not black or hispanic, to declare myself 'white'. I'm anglo, spanish, and other sundry sorts. I just 'look' white, so I'm declared to be.
It seems you are backpedalling, but in the off chance you are not, I will try to explain it once more. We are comparing perceptions as they have to do with this political campaign, and, if you think, that whether or not this child is born black, will have no impact on this campaign, you are greatly mistaken. This is a political thread, I remind you, so we are not pursuing the ethical aspect of this allegation.

I would be happy to debate political geography with you, but I don't believe that this the place for it, not to mention, it will require you to know and accept the current dogmas implemented in that field. Differences between nationality, ethnicity, and race are at the forefront.
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MACTEPsporta wrote:
Teal wrote: Yes, I still feel like 'sheeshing'. It may come as quite the surprise, but I've read this whole thread and kept up with it. I've paid plenty of attention; you don't need to be making assessments based upon information you don't have. Your remark is still one for scrutinizing, because you act as if there's some sort of different level of race for blacks, and for everyone else.

And for the record, the whole 'white' thing...it's not a 'race'. That's ludicrous. I've got all sorts of different backgrounds running through my veins, but am forced, since I am not black or hispanic, to declare myself 'white'. I'm anglo, spanish, and other sundry sorts. I just 'look' white, so I'm declared to be.
It seems you are backpedalling, but in the off chance you are not, I will try to explain it once more. We are comparing perceptions as they have to do with this political campaign, and, if you think, that whether or not this child is born black, will have no impact on this campaign, you are greatly mistaken. This is a political thread, I remind you, so we are not pursuing the ethical aspect of this allegation.

I would be happy to debate political geography with you, but I don't believe that this the place for it, not to mention, it will require you to know and accept the current dogmas implemented in that field. Differences between nationality, ethnicity, and race are at the forefront.

Never mind...I have zero interest in continuing a talking point based upon some otherworldly fantasy (the fantasy being that 'thing' that Gamer posted up). It adds absolutely nothing to the political discussion at hand, and is nothing more than a weird sideshow. There IS no 'allegation'...I fail to see where you think there is one. It's a complete and total fiction.
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Well, this should be expected:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

Seems to me that Obama supporters are creating a contingency, just in case the man can't get elected for anything of any substance. I personally don't give a damn about his race-it's his policy ideas that give me the heebies. He could be green, for all I care.

This seems to be attempting to go for the 'guilt' vote.
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Teal wrote:Well, this should be expected:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

Seems to me that Obama supporters are creating a contingency, just in case the man can't get elected for anything of any substance. I personally don't give a damn about his race-it's his policy ideas that give me the heebies. He could be green, for all I care.

This seems to be attempting to go for the 'guilt' vote.
I would love to give voting Americans more credit than that but sadly I know many folks that are voting for Obama based on race. The church Carol and I attended openly prayed for an Obama victory. We got some really funny looks when we said we were supporting McCain. When asked why we would vote for a white man over Obama? I laughed and gave smart ass answers. Carol was more polite, she opts not discuss that in church.

Last Sunday we we're asked by a church elder to look for another place to worship. He said it would be better for us as a family to worship with people that supported our political views. It's hard to believe that a Pastor would draw political and racial lines in the sand from his pulpit. Pretty sad. Oh well. We shall go worship with some "whities". If that fails we are going to covert to Islam. :wink: :lol:
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Teal wrote:Well, this should be expected:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

Seems to me that Obama supporters are creating a contingency, just in case the man can't get elected for anything of any substance. I personally don't give a damn about his race-it's his policy ideas that give me the heebies. He could be green, for all I care.

This seems to be attempting to go for the 'guilt' vote.
First, this was a survey by Stanford...what does this have to do with Obama supporters? Did they commission the poll? It's an interesting poll, that shows that race is still an issue with a lot of Americans; and that Obama's race will be a negative issue for some voters.

Second, I doubt that tons of African-Americans are voting for Obama just because of race. Kerry won the African-American vote 88-11 in 2004. Most polls have Obama's support among African-Americans around 93-94 percent, so (assuming race is the only reason for the increase), he's only gaining 5-6% among blacks.
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Jared wrote: For all the free market fundamentalists out there, these are the consequences of deregulation. People cheat the system, make lots of money, and then when the s*** hits the fan, we end up paying for it. We end up w/a system where we privatize profits and nationalize losses.
These are not the consequences of "deregulation." Rather, they are the consequence of poor and often excessive regulation. If you think that the securities and housing markets have been deregulated, you're wrong. They remain the most overregulated of markets.

For the most part this crisis did not come about because people "cheated the system." The problem was not too little oversight and regulation, but rather too much, which forced the actors in the market into risky and foolish investments.

As the market for traditional investments got progressively more regulated, the use of non-traditional methods (derivatives and their cousins) became the best outlet for investors looking for high yields with little regulatory red-tape...particularly investors immersed in regulatory entanglements like housing and insurance.

SarbOx and post-Enron accounting rules exacerbated things by forcing mark-to-market accounting that is very much contributing to the current crisis by forcing banks to take losses on bundled vehicles which are exponentially greater than the actual losses in value of the houses and other assets which serve as collateral.

CEO's and shareholders alike wanted higher yields and the higher stock prices and dividends that follow, so they didn't question the wisdom of getting caught up in CDS's etc. A less onerous regulatory burden would've removed some of the incentive for taking such risks.

No market in the world functions totally without regulation, and even ardent free market proponents are realistic enough to know this. The idea is to promote rules that are minimally invasive, clear and effective, discouraging forays into off-book transactions like derivatives and demanding accurate and fair accounting for those who do make that such investments.

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Jared wrote: Second, I doubt that tons of African-Americans are voting for Obama just because of race. Kerry won the African-American vote 88-11 in 2004. Most polls have Obama's support among African-Americans around 93-94 percent, so (assuming race is the only reason for the increase), he's only gaining 5-6% among blacks.
Biden hopes your wrong.
“Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden, campaigning in North Carolina where black votes could help swing the state to the Democrats, said today that electing a black person to the White House would be transformative.

Biden said the policies of running mate Barack Obama make his presidency even more urgent and declared this to be the most important election that any living person has seen in their lifetime. But he particularly singled out the meaning of electing someone who is black.

“That will be a transformative event in American politics and internationally,” Biden said. “That all by itself will be significant.”
Obama himself warned that the McCain campaign would make an issue of his race. He never offered a single shred of evidence for it, and at least some of the media remained skeptical of Obama’s claims. Joe Biden now has completely undermined this argument, and stupidly put the issue directly on the table.
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Being directly involved in financial markets, I have something to say about that. Both arguments are valid. You can just as sucessfully argue that government overregulated certain areas of mortgage business, as you can state that it ran free of regulation for far too long. The real problem lies much deeper. It's really the way government agencies have tried to regulate US economy that is outdated and absolete.

Fed, by virtue of it being the hybrid of government entity and private business has long outlived its purpose. Created as a compromise between dems and GOP it was never fully able to fulfill either purpose. It's not structured to be bailing out corporations or make investments on behalf of the taxpayers, as it is not really a government institution. It also doesn't have the flexibility of a private bank, because it's forced to follow government guidelines other banks aren't.

I've used the "old piping" metaphor before. Well, that's what this is. When you have a system that is so outdated, you realize that the only way to keep it working is to keep adding more pipes. Both parties were so interested in keeping the failed system around as opposed to creating a new and more able one, taxpayers are paying the price.
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Well having a string of 43 white guys, I think it would be transformative.

He didn't say vote for Obama because he's black.

Two different things here.
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And here's what I find shocking.

In close elections, the electoral vote map often times looks a lot like the Free/Slave state map pre-Civil war. Make up your own conclusions, I just find that extremely interesting.
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I disagree, Rob. For example:

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/ ... -exem.html
Satow interviews the above quoted former SEC director, and he spits out the blunt truth: The current excess leverage now unwinding was the result of a purposeful SEC exemption given to five firms.

You read that right -- the events of the past year are not a mere accident, but are the results of a conscious and willful SEC decision to allow these firms to legally violate existing net capital rules that, in the past 30 years, had limited broker dealers debt-to-net capital ratio to 12-to-1.
I'd categorize that as deregulation. Or, in the other direction, if you had tighter regulations on subprime lending, you wouldn't have the subprime mess. (Didn't subprime lending come about from the lessening of restrictions in usury laws?)

On the subprime crisis and deregulation...

http://www.stradley.com/articles.php?action=view&id=279
Legislative deregulation of the banking industry has also fueled the subprime lending industry. In 1980, Congress adopted the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act (“DIDMCA”). DIDMCA helped the Savings and Loan (“S&L”) industry stay competitive with nonfederally chartered banks where consumers received higher rates of return (Howell, 2006). DIDMCA also enabled the S&Ls to recoup the higher interest rates they were paying by allowing them to preempt state usury laws for loans to consumers secured by first liens on their homes (Howell, 2006).

In 1982, deregulation continued with the passage of the Alternative Mortgage Transaction Parity Act which extended federal mortgage-lending regulations to most residential loans, including the permitted use of variable interest and balloon payments (Howell, 2006).

These laws opened the door for the development of a subprime market, but subprime lending would not become a viable large-scale lending alternative until the passage of the Tax Reform Act of 1986 (“TRA”) (Chomsisengphet and Pennington-Cross, 2006). The TRA increased the demand for mortgage debt because it prohibited the deduction of interest on consumer loans, yet allowed interest deductions on mortgages for a primary residence as well as one additional home (Chomsisengphet and Pennington-Cross, 2006). Next, the Financial Institutions Reform Act of 1989 (“FIRREA”) addressed the costly S&L failures of the 1980s and created incentives for S&Ls to operate as thinly capitalized mortgage brokers relying on the secondary market for loans (Howell, 2006). Finally in 1999, Congress passed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act permitting financial service providers to merge with insurers (Howell, 2006). Thus, banking deregulation enabled lenders to offer more varied loan products, which were attractive to more varied consumers, and further gave incentives for more lenders to enter the market.
And your argument about traditional investments and recent accounting rules doesn't make any sense to me. People invested in less "traditional" investment because there was greater yields in things like subprime investing. But there were greater yields in these things because they were unsustainable. People made loads of money off subprime mortgages...but they weren't sound, and it fell apart.

And don't forget laws like the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, a deregulatory bill passed in 2000 that directly led to the Enron crisis.
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Im confused watching this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pO1dIKg ... re=related

It sounds like hes for it?...no?
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Jared wrote: For all the free market fundamentalists out there, these are the consequences of deregulation. People cheat the system, make lots of money, and then when the s*** hits the fan, we end up paying for it. We end up w/a system where we privatize profits and nationalize losses.
I disagree. This would have happened with or without Gramm-Leach-Bliley (which is what I assume you are talking about when you say "deregulation"). Ten years ago, liberal advocacy groups were trying to make it easier for less-qualified people to get loans. But you seem to be suggesting that we have federal regulations preventing lenders from building up this kind of risky debt? Or preventing that debt from being sold? (which would have exactly the same effect - if they couldn't offload the debt, they wouldn't lend the money in the first place.) That's the only kind of regulation that would have prevented this mess.

Also, it's funny that you make exactly the same argument that "free market fundamentalists" have making for years against Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

And of course it has always been the libertarian position that insulating people too much from the consequences of their poor decision-making leads to more poor decision-making in the future. Trying to outlaw or provide safety nets for every possible poor decision is an exercise in futility and makes them "soft" ; it is far more effective to let people learn from their mistakes and the mistakes of others.
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JRod wrote:And here's what I find shocking.

In close elections, the electoral vote map often times looks a lot like the Free/Slave state map pre-Civil war. Make up your own conclusions, I just find that extremely interesting.
I have thought about it...and why would you find it shocking?

First of all.
Make race an issue?...Why would McCain have to tell people that Obama is black?...They dont know?
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Second, I doubt that tons of African-Americans are voting for Obama just because of race. Kerry won the African-American vote 88-11 in 2004. Most polls have Obama's support among African-Americans around 93-94 percent, so (assuming race is the only reason for the increase), he's only gaining 5-6% among blacks.
I agree...I dont think race is helping Obama at all. African Americans have voted Dem forever why should this time be different?

Lets look at white democrats and independents.
Failing economy...Soaring fuel costs...

Bush and the GOP may or may not be at fault but Im sure that that is the popular perception...A failed republican administration is the common view...Again Im not saying I subsribe to this... Im say perception, in this case, is reality.

So why is Obama in a dead heat with McCain? This should be a slam dunk...Obama should be up 10-15-20 points. I can only draw one conclusion....Racism is alive and well.

These idiots in this video say it all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODaxZSz3Awg
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Jared wrote:
And don't forget laws like the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, a deregulatory bill passed in 2000 that directly led to the Enron crisis.
I will take your argument seriously when you also provide a list of every case in which increased regulation caused problems.
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XXXIV wrote:
So why is Obama in a dead heat with McCain? This should be a slam dunk...Obama should be up 10-15-20 points. I can only draw one conclusion....Racism is alive and well.

These idiots in this video say it all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODaxZSz3Awg
While there are no doubt some racists who would never vote for a black person for President, there's no way 10-20% more people would vote for a white Obama.

Maybe if the Democrats had nominated someone with a a Presidential resume, they'd be further ahead.
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From the increasingly lopsided battle of political parties' desire to win elections vs. their desire to stand up for their principles, we have this report:

http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/20/5358
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FatPitcher wrote:From the increasingly lopsided battle of political parties' desire to win elections vs. their desire to stand up for their principles, we have this report:

http://www.yourish.com/2008/09/20/5358
Whats the big deal?

Its politics...Go team!.
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FatPitcher wrote:
Jared wrote:
And don't forget laws like the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, a deregulatory bill passed in 2000 that directly led to the Enron crisis.
I will take your argument seriously when you also provide a list of every case in which increased regulation caused problems.
Huh? I'm not saying all regulation = good; and all deregulation = bad. Command economies, for example, are an example of too much regulation. The best thing is to find a middle ground where you have enough regulations to have a honest, fair, functioning system, while still allowing the free market to work where it works best. However, many of the deregulatory laws (listed in my previous post) which have lessened prior restrictions have caused major financial problems, because of their removal of regulatory restrictions.
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Jared wrote:
FatPitcher wrote:
Jared wrote:
And don't forget laws like the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, a deregulatory bill passed in 2000 that directly led to the Enron crisis.
I will take your argument seriously when you also provide a list of every case in which increased regulation caused problems.
Huh? I'm not saying all regulation = good; and all deregulation = bad. Command economies, for example, are an example of too much regulation. The best thing is to find a middle ground where you have enough regulations to have a honest, fair, functioning system, while still allowing the free market to work where it works best. However, many of the deregulatory laws (listed in my previous post) which have lessened prior restrictions have caused major financial problems, because of their removal of regulatory restrictions.
I guess you are arguing that not all deregulation is good. I can certainly get on board with that. But I still don't see how deregulation is a cause of the current financial crisis.

Here's an opinion article from a right-leaning news site on the issue: http://ibdeditorial.com/IBDArticles.asp ... 6557967194
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RobVarak wrote:
SarbOx and post-Enron accounting rules exacerbated things by forcing mark-to-market accounting that is very much contributing to the current crisis by forcing banks to take losses on bundled vehicles which are exponentially greater than the actual losses in value of the houses and other assets which serve as collateral.

CEO's and shareholders alike wanted higher yields and the higher stock prices and dividends that follow, so they didn't question the wisdom of getting caught up in CDS's etc. A less onerous regulatory burden would've removed some of the incentive for taking such risks.
Nobody forced them to do anything.

They took on these derivatives, which were unregulated, because they were hugely profitable for a time.

The industry paid out over $33 billion in bonuses the last year before all these write-downs. Lehman by itself paid $5.7 billion.

Fuld has gotten about $500 billion in compensation during his tenure as CEO. His singular achievement was to increase Lehman's leverage to 30 or 40 to 1.

Oh and the institutions engaging in these transactions were not only limited to American ones bogged down by "excessive" American regulation. Virtually every significant bank in every industrialized country bought into this.

The reason? Because these trades were very lucrative for a time and every institution jumped in because their peers were doing it.

Wall Street wasn't struggling to extract margins. At its height, finance is one of the most hugely profitable businesses there is. Margins were probably greater than software.

Problem wasn't just the existence or absence of any particular regulation on the books. It was that the regulators didn't believe in the regulation which were on the books. The SEC got out of the way while all these practices were going on.
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Jared wrote:I disagree, Rob. For example:

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/ ... -exem.html
Satow interviews the above quoted former SEC director, and he spits out the blunt truth: The current excess leverage now unwinding was the result of a purposeful SEC exemption given to five firms.

You read that right -- the events of the past year are not a mere accident, but are the results of a conscious and willful SEC decision to allow these firms to legally violate existing net capital rules that, in the past 30 years, had limited broker dealers debt-to-net capital ratio to 12-to-1.
I'd categorize that as deregulation. Or, in the other direction, if you had tighter regulations on subprime lending, you wouldn't have the subprime mess. (Didn't subprime lending come about from the lessening of restrictions in usury laws?)

On the subprime crisis and deregulation...

http://www.stradley.com/articles.php?action=view&id=279
Legislative deregulation of the banking industry has also fueled the subprime lending industry. In 1980, Congress adopted the Depository Institutions Deregulation and Monetary Control Act (“DIDMCA”). DIDMCA helped the Savings and Loan (“S&L”) industry stay competitive with nonfederally chartered banks where consumers received higher rates of return (Howell, 2006). DIDMCA also enabled the S&Ls to recoup the higher interest rates they were paying by allowing them to preempt state usury laws for loans to consumers secured by first liens on their homes (Howell, 2006).

In 1982, deregulation continued with the passage of the Alternative Mortgage Transaction Parity Act which extended federal mortgage-lending regulations to most residential loans, including the permitted use of variable interest and balloon payments (Howell, 2006).

These laws opened the door for the development of a subprime market, but subprime lending would not become a viable large-scale lending alternative until the passage of the Tax Reform Act of 1986 (“TRA”) (Chomsisengphet and Pennington-Cross, 2006). The TRA increased the demand for mortgage debt because it prohibited the deduction of interest on consumer loans, yet allowed interest deductions on mortgages for a primary residence as well as one additional home (Chomsisengphet and Pennington-Cross, 2006). Next, the Financial Institutions Reform Act of 1989 (“FIRREA”) addressed the costly S&L failures of the 1980s and created incentives for S&Ls to operate as thinly capitalized mortgage brokers relying on the secondary market for loans (Howell, 2006). Finally in 1999, Congress passed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act permitting financial service providers to merge with insurers (Howell, 2006). Thus, banking deregulation enabled lenders to offer more varied loan products, which were attractive to more varied consumers, and further gave incentives for more lenders to enter the market.
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We're talking on two different levels here now, which is cool, but we should be clear. There's regulation impacting the consumer mortgage end of things and regulation affecting the investment banks and Wall St. etc.

GLBA is wrongly villified, IMO. There's a tendency for any dergulation to be blamed for every market woe, but without it we wouldn't have had some of the private-sector bailouts/mergers that we've seen in the last few weeks. And the fundamental causes of this crisis far ante-date GLBA.

Countervailing many of those moves was a long-term trend of regulating instututions by requiring them to extend loans to to lower-income borrowers. This bi-partisan trend was represented in legislation (Community Reinvestment Act, the 1989 Home Mortgage Disclosure Act, the 1992 GSE Act amendments), hell even GLBA has a role in this, as well as in Federal Regulations (HUD Rules, Fannie and Freddie regs etc.) and litigation. Banks were bullied through this process into extending loans to far less credit-worthy individuals than they otherwise may have. They would then turn around and bundle those loans to move them off their books.

I have a fair amount of professional experience with this doing foreclosures on both sides. I've had client bankers who were very, very liberal and totally behind the concept of extending ownership as widely as possible. But they were scared to death. Scared on the one hand of being targeted by ACORN or similar organizations and on the other hand of being stuck with mortgages of little or no value. And I've had more borrowers than I can count who got mortgages they had no business getting...and not because of predatory lending etc.

Again, it's hard to blame a culture of deregulation when regulations like these exist and expand the way they have.

Jared wrote: And your argument about traditional investments and recent accounting rules doesn't make any sense to me. People invested in less "traditional" investment because there was greater yields in things like subprime investing. But there were greater yields in these things because they were unsustainable. People made loads of money off subprime mortgages...but they weren't sound, and it fell apart.

And don't forget laws like the Commodities Futures Modernization Act, a deregulatory bill passed in 2000 that directly led to the Enron crisis.
The greater yields did not stem solely from the risky nature of the vehicles. Given the exact same yield on a similarly risky vehicle in heavily-regulated and lightly regulated markets, rational actors will always opt for the less-regulated. There is a real cost associated with meeting the requirements of regulation, stemming principally from legal and accounting costs that cuts into your returns. And of course you will have an easier time finding buyers and sellers and consumating trades in a less regulated market as well.
Jared wrote:Huh? I'm not saying all regulation = good; and all deregulation = bad. Command economies, for example, are an example of too much regulation. The best thing is to find a middle ground where you have enough regulations to have a honest, fair, functioning system, while still allowing the free market to work where it works best.
We totally agree in theory, then. So we've got that going for us :)

On a more political note, these antecedents bring up several Obama and McCain related points. McCain's support for GLBA, Obama's community organizer background, McCain's 2005 comments about Fannie and Freddie, Obama's pockets being enriched by Fannie and Freddie and the stink of ACORN's involvement to name just a few.

I think we need to add a week or two to the election cycle just to work through all this :lol:
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Rob, you're making it sound like most of the subprime crisis has to do with banks being bullied to extend loans to lower-income borrowers. However, subprime loans to lower income borrowers only made up a small percentage of the subprime loans in 2006:

http://washington.bizjournals.com/washi ... ily54.html
Of the 1.9 million subprime rate loans in 2006, upper-income borrowers had the highest share at 39.37 percent, followed by 27.55 percent for middle-income borrowers and 20.99 percent for moderate-income borrowers.

Low-income borrowers had only 149,173, or 7.57 percent, of 2006 subprime rate loans.
Originally, these loans were targeted more to lower-income borrowers, but the expansion of the subprime market came with these loans going to people with much more income. And the ability of banks to make these kinds of subprime loans (I think) is directly attributable to the removal of various regulations (see what I quoted earlier).
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Jared wrote:
Of the 1.9 million subprime rate loans in 2006, upper-income borrowers had the highest share at 39.37 percent, followed by 27.55 percent for middle-income borrowers and 20.99 percent for moderate-income borrowers.

Low-income borrowers had only 149,173, or 7.57 percent, of 2006 subprime rate loans.
Yeah, because people list their actual incomes on loan applications. :)
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