The Mitchell Report

spooky157 · Post by **spooky157** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:30 pm

It is now in the hands of the FBI. This is going to be very bad for Clemens.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3269249

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:34 pm

Naw, he's all good. Bush leaves office Jan 19th, so by then the investigationgshould be wrapping up. On Jan 19th, expect a Presidential pardon for Mr.Clemens.

sportdan30 · Post by **sportdan30** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:35 pm

Why is everyone sayinig that he'll get a pardon from the President?

pk500 · Post by **pk500** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:26 pm

sportdan30 wrote:Why is everyone sayinig that he'll get a pardon from the President?

Because they're both Texans and because Bush loves baseball. Plus George Mitchell is a Democrat, so Bush probably thinks the Mitchell Report was a witch hunt.

Good call, Inu.

Take care,
PK

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:39 pm

and don't forget, both Bush and Clemens are products of the Texas Education System which gave us memorable words such as 'Dogooders' and 'Misremembered'

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:48 pm

pk500 wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:Why is everyone sayinig that he'll get a pardon from the President?
Because they're both Texans and because Bush loves baseball. Plus George Mitchell is a Democrat, so Bush probably thinks the Mitchell Report was a witch hunt.

Good call, Inu.

Take care,
PK

He wont get a pardon cause this will drag on and if he is convicted it wont be til til Bush be goneeeeeeeee baby gone ...

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:48 pm

pk500 wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:Why is everyone sayinig that he'll get a pardon from the President?
Because they're both Texans and because Bush loves baseball. Plus George Mitchell is a Democrat, so Bush probably thinks the Mitchell Report was a witch hunt.

Good call, Inu.

Take care,
PK

Not to change the subject but Bush's last days in office are going to be nothing but getting people out of jail or shredding files.

Back to regular programming...

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:53 pm

JRod wrote:
pk500 wrote:
sportdan30 wrote:Why is everyone sayinig that he'll get a pardon from the President?
Because they're both Texans and because Bush loves baseball. Plus George Mitchell is a Democrat, so Bush probably thinks the Mitchell Report was a witch hunt.

Good call, Inu.

Take care,
PK
Not to change the subject but Bush's last days in office are going to be nothing but getting people out of jail or shredding files.

Back to regular programming...

Not to burst your bubble but...

http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pardonchartlst.htm

That seems to be what all presidents do

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:01 pm

Does the FBI and government not have more pressing issues than an athlete playing a game using steroids and not coming clean? A tax money waster. But once all the truth comes out like many have said, the Rocket has an already-guaranteed pardon awaiting him on Pennsylvania Drive in Washington.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:01 pm

Well you know this one is going to worse. Yes all Presidents do it but this one is going to be special.

JRod · Post by **JRod** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:02 pm

10spro wrote:Does the FBI and government not have more pressing issues than an athlete playing a game using steroids and not coming clean? A tax money waster. But once all the truth comes out like many have said, the Rocket has an already-guaranteed pardon awaiting him on Pennsylvania Drive in Washington.

If the FBI can't do both, then what good is the FBI.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:07 pm

Not a Barry Bonds fan, but how come he didnt get the partisan help that Clemens got? If I was Bonds, I'd feel cheated that nobody came to defend him with the same vigor as that loser Indiana congressman did. At least Bonds is no longer the Coverboy for steroids, I guess he's happy about that.

spooky157 · Post by **spooky157** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:13 pm

10spro wrote:Does the FBI and government not have more pressing issues than an athlete playing a game using steroids and not coming clean? A tax money waster. But once all the truth comes out like many have said, the Rocket has an already-guaranteed pardon awaiting him on Pennsylvania Drive in Washington.

I think issues like PED's in sports are well within Congress' responsiblities. This is a matter of public health - we know it's not limited to just Roger Clemens or any of the other names from the Mitchell Report. Just look at football players these days. How long before we see guys that are 400 lbs and can run a 4.4 in the 40? Can we just keep on calling them freaks and praising them for their "freakish" abilities? I am all for government legislating against PED's in professional sports.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:14 pm

JRod wrote:Well you know this one is going to worse. Yes all Presidents do it but this one is going to be special.

Special how? ...cause the dude cant speak english?

I love that list ...Billy was actually pardononing drug dealers...tsk tsk tsk...

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:30 pm

Inuyasha wrote:Not a Barry Bonds fan, but how come he didnt get the partisan help that Clemens got? If I was Bonds, I'd feel cheated that nobody came to defend him with the same vigor as that loser Indiana congressman did. At least Bonds is no longer the Coverboy for steroids, I guess he's happy about that.

Im not black and I dont like people playing the race card...but...

F308GTB · Post by **F308GTB** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:06 pm

10spro wrote:Does the FBI and government not have more pressing issues than an athlete playing a game using steroids and not coming clean? A tax money waster. But once all the truth comes out like many have said, the Rocket has an already-guaranteed pardon awaiting him on Pennsylvania Drive in Washington.

Has nothing to do with steroids. Once there was a "difference of opinion" in sworn testimony, the subject matter means squat. He could have stolen a pack of bubble gum and lied. FBI isn't going after him for the "gum". They are going after the potential lie, or perjury. Just like Martha Sterwart. It was never about insider trading; it was about the lie to cover up insider trading.

I agree it's ridiculous to go after someone for something like HGH which isn't illegal (AFAIK). But one of the fundamental tenets of this country is the sanctity of truth. I'd fight tooth and nail for that.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:10 pm

F308GTB wrote:
10spro wrote:Does the FBI and government not have more pressing issues than an athlete playing a game using steroids and not coming clean? A tax money waster. But once all the truth comes out like many have said, the Rocket has an already-guaranteed pardon awaiting him on Pennsylvania Drive in Washington.
Has nothing to do with steroids. Once there was a "difference of opinion" in sworn testimony, the subject matter means squat. He could have stolen a pack of bubble gum and lied. FBI isn't going after him for the "gum". They are going after the potential lie, or perjury. Just like Martha Sterwart. It was never about insider trading; it was about the lie to cover up insider trading.

I agree it's ridiculous to go after someone for something like HGH which isn't illegal (AFAIK). But one of the fundamental tenets of this country is the sanctity of truth. I'd fight tooth and nail for that.

yep....you take an oath you be a man...end of story.

10spro · Post by **10spro** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:05 am

F308GTB wrote:
10spro wrote:Does the FBI and government not have more pressing issues than an athlete playing a game using steroids and not coming clean? A tax money waster. But once all the truth comes out like many have said, the Rocket has an already-guaranteed pardon awaiting him on Pennsylvania Drive in Washington.
Has nothing to do with steroids. Once there was a "difference of opinion" in sworn testimony, the subject matter means squat. He could have stolen a pack of bubble gum and lied. FBI isn't going after him for the "gum". They are going after the potential lie, or perjury. Just like Martha Sterwart. It was never about insider trading; it was about the lie to cover up insider trading.

I agree it's ridiculous to go after someone for something like HGH which isn't illegal (AFAIK). But one of the fundamental tenets of this country is the sanctity of truth. I'd fight tooth and nail for that.

But that's the thing. Does it take the FBI department to do another full investigation to find out what essentially everyone knows?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:17 am

10spro wrote:
F308GTB wrote:
10spro wrote:Does the FBI and government not have more pressing issues than an athlete playing a game using steroids and not coming clean? A tax money waster. But once all the truth comes out like many have said, the Rocket has an already-guaranteed pardon awaiting him on Pennsylvania Drive in Washington.
Has nothing to do with steroids. Once there was a "difference of opinion" in sworn testimony, the subject matter means squat. He could have stolen a pack of bubble gum and lied. FBI isn't going after him for the "gum". They are going after the potential lie, or perjury. Just like Martha Sterwart. It was never about insider trading; it was about the lie to cover up insider trading.

I agree it's ridiculous to go after someone for something like HGH which isn't illegal (AFAIK). But one of the fundamental tenets of this country is the sanctity of truth. I'd fight tooth and nail for that.

But that's the thing. Does it take the FBI department to do another full investigation to find out what essentially everyone knows?

Depends on wether or not you consider perjury a crime....Rule of law is the rule of law...An idea that seems to be fading fast...

kevinpars · Post by **kevinpars** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:19 pm

Mindy McCready??

Who saw this one coming?

I thought that Pete Golenbock would be first in line to write the unauthorized biography of Clemens, but now I am thinking it might be Kitty Kelley.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:27 pm

I heard about that on my way home from getting GTA last night and further cemented Clemens as a total dick. I'm not naive enough to think that athletes don't cheat on their wives. That's not really what bothers me about this whole situation. It's the fact that they met when he was 28 and she was 15. Supposedly nothing happened the night they met but how old do you think she was when they first had sex? Even if she was of age it's pretty sick like he was grooming her and waiting for her to be legal. What a d*****.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:52 pm

This will hurt him with the Steroid investigation since he was going off the 'I'm a Stand up Guy, just look at my life' defense .

I bet he's wishing that he should have just admitted everything like giambi and petitite did since both of them sort of got off for being honest.

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:54 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
I bet he's wishing that he should have just admitted everything like giambi and petitite did since both of them sort of got off for being honest.

Great point... He just keeps sinking deeper and deeper into his scumbag grave...