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dbdynsty25 wrote:Well wasn't it the Sox last year who blew a huge lead only to barely hold on when the Indians cut it to a game or something close to that? I don't know what it is with those damn AL Central teams.
It sure was...but it was more Cleveland winning almost every game for a while more than a White Sox collapse...The Sox were still playing over 500 last two months.
The White Sox did wind up winning 5 out of last 6 reg season and 11 out of 12 post season games.

I do agree with ya though...That division is whacky...

The Twins have had an amazing second half and with the exception of about the last month the Tigers have had a great season....While the White Sox..well...have laid an egg.
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I'm feeling very very sick right now. 2-1/2 game lead now?!? Ugh.

Tonight is the night to put a stop to the losing streak. Carpenter needs to come out and pitch like a Cy Young candidate.
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For us Jays fans...Nice to see us pass the Red Sox in the standings. Doesn't mean much now, but it will give us a psychological boost going into the off-season if we can hang on to 2nd.

I was lucky enough to get luxury box seats to this past Sunday's game against the Sox as well. It was insane if anybody has ever had the pleasure- free alcohol, food, snacks, coffee, dessert...all brought to our cushioned seats...plasmas and couches just inside the box. I can't go back to the general public now!
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sportdan30 wrote:I'm feeling very very sick right now. 2-1/2 game lead now?!? Ugh.

Tonight is the night to put a stop to the losing streak. Carpenter needs to come out and pitch like a Cy Young candidate.
Losing streak is up to 6, and they've lost 7 of 8. The worst part about those 7 losses is how close the games were. The bullpen absolutely sucks. I'm turning into a Braves-esque fan at this point. Someone will tell me to start watching them again if they get a win or two away from the World Series in the NLCS. If they stumble into the NLDS, I'm debating even watching it.

I have a bad feeling that Houston's going to do it. They'll probably sweep Pittsburgh and pull into a tie or very close to the lead. Bobby Cox won't play any starters and Houston will roll over the Braves into the postseason. I see them going 5-1 to finish the year, with the Cardinals going 3-3 and then will have to play SF on Monday for that makeup game in order to grab the division or force a playoff with Houston.
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Yeah, cuz that sounds like something Bobby Cox would do. You can guarantee the Francoeur is in there at least...he wants to play in every game.
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fanatic wrote:For us Jays fans...Nice to see us pass the Red Sox in the standings. Doesn't mean much now, but it will give us a psychological boost going into the off-season if we can hang on to 2nd.
If the Blue Jays can hang on to second place it will be the first time in nine years that someone besides the Yankees and Red Sox have broken into the top two spots in that division.
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Cards are losing big tonight to the Brewers. Lead will be down to a half game. I need to call up T.O.
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lexbur wrote:
fanatic wrote:For us Jays fans...Nice to see us pass the Red Sox in the standings. Doesn't mean much now, but it will give us a psychological boost going into the off-season if we can hang on to 2nd.
If the Blue Jays can hang on to second place it will be the first time in nine years that someone besides the Yankees and Red Sox have broken into the top two spots in that division.
And an excuse for GM P. Ricciardi that he needs another 30 million to come close to the Yankees.
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10spro wrote:
lexbur wrote:
fanatic wrote:For us Jays fans...Nice to see us pass the Red Sox in the standings. Doesn't mean much now, but it will give us a psychological boost going into the off-season if we can hang on to 2nd.
If the Blue Jays can hang on to second place it will be the first time in nine years that someone besides the Yankees and Red Sox have broken into the top two spots in that division.
And an excuse for GM P. Ricciardi that he needs another 30 million to come close to the Yankees.
He can lie, cheat and steal for all I care...If he gets a bigger payroll I'm into it! (Which he has already)
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The Twins set an obscure record last night--this is the latest point in the season (159th game) that a team has reached first place for the first time in a season.

The Tigers hold the tiebreaker, so the Twins need to be a game up on Detroit to take the division. The division winner gets the A's, the losers get the Yankees.
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I can't decide who's got it easier this weekend, Twins playing the White Sox or Tigers playing the Royals.

The White Sox look like they've packed it in for the year in their series against theTribe this week. They lost 14-1 and 6-0, before getting a rain-shortened 2-1 win. They looked like a team ready to hit the golf course.

And the Royals, well, they're the Royals. So I don't know who has the advantage, but it should be an interesting weekend.
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Pedro out for the postseason.

Can't say I'm surprised.

I think it's the best for the Mets and for Pedro. He didn't look like he could help the Mets the way he was pitching. No reason to keep pushing him.

Try to get him healthy for next year.
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How come they don't do a 1 game playoff anymore if there is a tie?
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Dave wrote:The Twins set an obscure record last night--this is the latest point in the season (159th game) that a team has reached first place for the first time in a season.
J. Morneau gets my vote for MVP.
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Inuyasha wrote:How come they don't do a 1 game playoff anymore if there is a tie?
They only use the one-game playoff to decide between two teams when one team won't make the postseason at all and one will.

The Tigers and Twins aren't using it because both teams are in the postseason regardless. One will win the division, the other will be the wild card.

There are some scenarios in the NL this year where they might have to go to a one-game playoff, thanks to the Cardinals' collapse.
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Pujols might not win the MVP, but he's showing why he's so incredibly valuable to this Cards team. Another huge homerun when it counted. Big win by the birds coupled by a Houston loss helps. Thank you Atlanta.
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There is nothing I'd like more than to bounce the Astros from playoff contention, seeing as how they have made it a habit recently to end the Braves seasons.
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sportdan30 wrote:Pujols might not win the MVP, but he's showing why he's so incredibly valuable to this Cards team. Another huge homerun when it counted.
I think that's why he's still the favorite for the MVP, despite Howard's lead in HR's and RBI (and it's not like it's a giant lead, 10 more HR's and 10 more 11 more RBI.... Pujols is 2nd in both categories so it's not like he's blowing him away). Pujols hits many many more meaningful HR's and meaningful RBI. Leads the majors in game winning RBI and game winning HR, and his batting average with 2 outs with runners in scoring position is off the charts.

With the Phillies likely not going to make the postseason, I think the last few game winning HR's are going to put Albert over the top with the voters (even though the East coast biased media/ESPN is all over Howard).
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Could this have been the Rocket's last start?
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dbdynsty25 wrote:There is nothing I'd like more than to bounce the Astros from playoff contention, seeing as how they have made it a habit recently to end the Braves seasons.
There is nothing I am enjoying more than to see the Braves not make the playoffs this year. If we are keeping score, the Astros still owe the Braves a few.....

If the Astros had played like they did the first two weeks and now the last two weeks of this season, there would be no playoff race. I am proud of the way they are finishing, but I am not proud of the way they failed to score runs when needed and the bullpen blew numerous saves. They really don't even deserve to be playing for the playoffs at this point of this season seeing as how bad they were during the other 9/10 ths of the season. St. Louis will bounce back and win their next 2 games and this will all be a non-issue...
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What injury is next for Pedro? Now he's got rotator cuff surgery? Out till next June at the earliest.
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sportdan30 wrote:Pujols might not win the MVP, but he's showing why he's so incredibly valuable to this Cards team. Another huge homerun when it counted.
I think that's why he's still the favorite for the MVP, despite Howard's lead in HR's and RBI (and it's not like it's a giant lead, 10 more HR's and 10 more 11 more RBI.... Pujols is 2nd in both categories so it's not like he's blowing him away). Pujols hits many many more meaningful HR's and meaningful RBI. Leads the majors in game winning RBI and game winning HR, and his batting average with 2 outs with runners in scoring position is off the charts.

With the Phillies likely not going to make the postseason, I think the last few game winning HR's are going to put Albert over the top with the voters (even though the East coast biased media/ESPN is all over Howard).
The Phils are eliminated from the playoffs, but only because they aren't lucky enough to play in the lowly Central. They're guaranteed to have at least the same record as the Cardinals when the season is over.

August numbers:
Howard - .348, 14 HR, 25 R, 41 RBI, .464 OBP, .750 SLG, 1.214 OPS
Pujols - .315, 6 HR, 24 R, 22 RBI, .379 OBP, .568 SLG, .947 OPS

September numbers:
Howard - .385, 9 HR, 20 R, 19 RBI, .551 OBP, .769 SLG, 1.320 OPS
Pujols - .363, 9 HR, 20 R, 27 RBI, .463 OBP, .676 SLG, 1.139 OPS

Not to mention that Howard walked 24 more times than Pujols during those two months, and has been intentionally walked 31 times in the second half of the season. He's receiving the Bonds treatment.

Voters weigh heavily on how a player plays in the months of August and September, during the playoff push. Thus, the reason Howard won the ROY over Francouer last year. Howard carried a team that was a seller at the trade deadline. A team whose GM declared they wouldn't be ready to contend until 2008. The Cardinals, on the other hand, did everything they could to let the Astros back into the division race.
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Can't disagree with those numbers Sully, however the Phillies will not be in the post season. That to me is key. As I write this, we still don't know whether or not the Cards will be in the playoffs.

Also, I wonder how many game winning hits or pivotal homeruns Howard has had compared to Pujols. I've gotta think Albert has more. In the end, either a Cardinal is going to win the MVP or a St. Louis born and bred is going to win the award. I like Ryan Howard a whole lot, so either way I won't be disappointed.

By the way, I was listening to one of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch columnists, Bernie Miklasz the other day on the radio. He said that he had polled a majority of the columnists in the other cities who vote for the MVP. He said it was at least a 3 to 1 margin or higher for those who said they were going to vote in favor of Howard.
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Sully wrote:The Phils are eliminated from the playoffs, but only because they aren't lucky enough to play in the lowly Central. They're guaranteed to have at least the same record as the Cardinals when the season is over.
Maybe the Cardinals would have fared better in another division as well considering that they had a losing record vs. NL Central teams. The Phillies didn't exactly dominate vs. the lowly Central either going 20-17 overall and 9-10 against the lowest of the low in Milwaukee, Chicago, and Pittsburgh. Think how bad those AL teams feel that are left out of the playoff and are just as good as anyone but the Mets in the lowly NL (Boston, Toronto, ChiSox, Angels).
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"Having to beat Smoltzie, the way we're playing right now and having to rely on St. Louis to lose two games, it's looking bleak for them," Atlanta's Chipper Jones said. "But funnier things have happened."

Gosh, I hope he's right. Houston sure isn't making it easy on the Cards.

What we have now is Smoltz going up against a rookie pitcher for Houston and Carpenter set to take the mound against the Brewers. You would think the odds are in the Cardinals favor, but as Chipper said, funnier things have happened.

Oh, and by the way, dag gummit Renteria! You're a better fielder than you've shown in the last couple years!
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