OT: Airline Threat
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OT: Airline Threat
I came back late last night from Toronto after attending a Jays game and the Rogers Cup event. Lucky me as most airports around the world are tightening up today as a plot was foiled where international flights from the UKdestined to the US were going to explode in the Atlantic waters. The plot would have overshadowed 9/11. Immediately if you're travelling, no carry on luggage is allowed, including any liquid items as innocent as shampoos etc.
My wife called me this morning and really bummed me out saying that all carryon was banned along with electronic devices. I'm traveling to Europe on Saturday. It would be very tough to endure the flights and 4 hour layover without an MP3 player and PSP. Of course, I'm more concerned about my safety so whatever they feel is necessary. I checked the web site of my airline and right now it just says liquids/gels are banned.
Props to the relative authorities for foiling the plan/plot. I don't know what it was, but when I woke up this morning I "felt" something and immediately turned on the news(i seldomly if ever do this as I am not a morning person). I just felt like something was wrong.
I hope everyone and their families that are traveling soon have a safe trip. Just be patient at the security lines and even when you are getting frustrated, know the people working there that are slowing down are doing it for OUR safety!
My mom is in Lake Tahoe and is coming home tomorrow. She called me a while ago and told me not to plan on picking her up at the airport when I was suppose to. She said she will most likely be late so I will just call you when I get there and you can come get me..... she has the right idea.
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I hope everyone and their families that are traveling soon have a safe trip. Just be patient at the security lines and even when you are getting frustrated, know the people working there that are slowing down are doing it for OUR safety!
My mom is in Lake Tahoe and is coming home tomorrow. She called me a while ago and told me not to plan on picking her up at the airport when I was suppose to. She said she will most likely be late so I will just call you when I get there and you can come get me..... she has the right idea.
BD
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Wonder if the same precautions are being exercised by AirFrance and other European carriers? I leave on AF later this month for Angola and I hope I don't have to endure the 23 hours of flight time without my iPod, etc....however, I do prefer to do what is necessary to get there and home safely. f*** you very much Al Queerda and Bin Lesbian...
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I think you guys are okay with the electronics -- sounds like it's only liquids that won't be allowed.
Also, I don't know what this says about me, but when I heard the news, I thought, "that's kind of like Die Hard 3."
Glad they caught these guys. It sounds like they knew about it for a while, and were probably staying mum to follow their leads and round up as many people as they could. I think planes will probably be okay, but I'm concerned that these methods could be applied to less secure areas like subways, malls, or something like a sports stadium.
As for Iraq: before the war, terrorists tried to blow up planes. After the war, they tried to blow up planes. So my guess is the war isn't doing much to stop them or to encourage them.
Also, I don't know what this says about me, but when I heard the news, I thought, "that's kind of like Die Hard 3."
Glad they caught these guys. It sounds like they knew about it for a while, and were probably staying mum to follow their leads and round up as many people as they could. I think planes will probably be okay, but I'm concerned that these methods could be applied to less secure areas like subways, malls, or something like a sports stadium.
As for Iraq: before the war, terrorists tried to blow up planes. After the war, they tried to blow up planes. So my guess is the war isn't doing much to stop them or to encourage them.
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The official interpretation is that Islamic extremists are after us because of who we are, not for anything we may have done. At least that was in the brief snippet of a speech Bush apparenty gave today which NPR played.
So it's the same, "they hate us for who we are" argument. Looks like this premise will continue to guide our policy and response.
NPR also said the UK and US were in communications before they stopped this plot. Tony Snow was asked today whether they knew about this plot yesterday when they trotted out the claim that by withdrawing from Iraq, we would encourage or enable another 9/11.
It wouldn't be suprising if the administration were to capitalize on a situation which they exacerbated -- making Americans bigger targets of terrorism -- with their policies and actions. Would be par for the course.
So it's the same, "they hate us for who we are" argument. Looks like this premise will continue to guide our policy and response.
NPR also said the UK and US were in communications before they stopped this plot. Tony Snow was asked today whether they knew about this plot yesterday when they trotted out the claim that by withdrawing from Iraq, we would encourage or enable another 9/11.
It wouldn't be suprising if the administration were to capitalize on a situation which they exacerbated -- making Americans bigger targets of terrorism -- with their policies and actions. Would be par for the course.
No more than you could say they wouldn't have.wco81 wrote:Can any of the "islamofascism" experts honestly say that if the Iraq war never happened, these incidents would still have occurred?
Are we to believe that militancy of fundamentalist proponents of Islam is a nascent event as a result of the Gulf Wars? That Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie was an aberration? As was the hijacking of airliners and the cruiseliner Achille Lauro? Not to mention the car bombing at the US Embassy in Beirut and the 1979 Iran hostage crisis. And this is just against U.S. interests. Take the flashpoint conflicts worldwide and there is a staggering number that originate in the culture clash between Islam and the West. What makes it more difficult for those like me is the tacit acceptance, by moderate Muslims and liberal think-tanks, of the actions of the miltant wings that would purport to represent them with heinous attacks directly mostly at civilians.
For the record, I don't believe the militants want to kill us for who we are, but for who we are not.
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Infidels? The extremists claim their "God" has instructed them to rid the earth of anyone who is not of Islamic faith or beliefs otherwise known as "infidel". I am game if one of these extremists wants a piece of this "infidel"....as long as it is mano y mano, bring it on and may the best man win.GameSeven wrote:
For the record, I don't believe the militants want to kill us for who we are, but for who we are not.
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Oh, give it a rest. You're saying the Iraq War has nothing to do with terrorism, and you're saying the two are closely linked. Absurd.wco81 wrote:The official interpretation is that Islamic extremists are after us because of who we are, not for anything we may have done. At least that was in the brief snippet of a speech Bush apparenty gave today which NPR played.
So it's the same, "they hate us for who we are" argument. Looks like this premise will continue to guide our policy and response.
NPR also said the UK and US were in communications before they stopped this plot. Tony Snow was asked today whether they knew about this plot yesterday when they trotted out the claim that by withdrawing from Iraq, we would encourage or enable another 9/11.
It wouldn't be suprising if the administration were to capitalize on a situation which they exacerbated -- making Americans bigger targets of terrorism -- with their policies and actions. Would be par for the course.
Also, they hate us because of our domestic and foreign policies. As long as we're the strongest and most resolute backer of Israel, women's freedoms, religious freedoms, etc., we are enemy #1 to them. That's why they've been after us for decades, long before ol' Georgie took office. The difference now is that the potential harm they can do, as evidenced by 9/11, means we can't sit on our hands like we used to. Maybe a war in Iraq isn't the best solution to the problem, but it's better than any of the pie-in-the-sky fantasies I've heard from your ilk.
Everybody has their own opinon on the war and we don't need another thread on whether the war is right or wrong.
However I think today is a turning point in the war on terrorism. Not because of the threat to airplanes but because Bush for the first time said this war against Islamic Fundamentalists? Guys that's not just terrorists that's Syria and Iran. Well in actuality it's Sudi Arabia and Egypt as well but we won't admit it.
Saying this is a war against islamic fundamentalists turns this into a religious war. That's scary what this means. This goes beyond just Iraq and Afghanistan and makes islamic states like Syria and Iran apart of this war.
To note: Iraq was not a Islamic Fundamentalist state. It was a authoritarian secular state but whatever.
However I think today is a turning point in the war on terrorism. Not because of the threat to airplanes but because Bush for the first time said this war against Islamic Fundamentalists? Guys that's not just terrorists that's Syria and Iran. Well in actuality it's Sudi Arabia and Egypt as well but we won't admit it.
Saying this is a war against islamic fundamentalists turns this into a religious war. That's scary what this means. This goes beyond just Iraq and Afghanistan and makes islamic states like Syria and Iran apart of this war.
To note: Iraq was not a Islamic Fundamentalist state. It was a authoritarian secular state but whatever.
My ilk?
Your ilk wants to continue the same course which has demonstrably not worked.
Iraqis didn't perpetrate any terrorist acts. But the war no doubt made them vow revenge.
Yeah for the umpteenth time, the war made us safer. How exactly did it? The plot was foiled today by the Brits, using law enforcement and intelligence cooperation of all things.
These incidents aren't happening to every Western country. They're not happening to Sweden or Greenland. They're as much infidels to Islam as we or the British are.
After the London Underground bombings last year, the British think tanks linked them to the war. Of course Blair isn't going to agree but it's bloody obvious unless you want to live in denial.
And those older events? Every one of those have antecedents to some action or decision. The Muslims are all about eye for an eye vengeance and so are we. So the cycle will continue.
Your ilk wants to continue the same course which has demonstrably not worked.
Iraqis didn't perpetrate any terrorist acts. But the war no doubt made them vow revenge.
Yeah for the umpteenth time, the war made us safer. How exactly did it? The plot was foiled today by the Brits, using law enforcement and intelligence cooperation of all things.
These incidents aren't happening to every Western country. They're not happening to Sweden or Greenland. They're as much infidels to Islam as we or the British are.
After the London Underground bombings last year, the British think tanks linked them to the war. Of course Blair isn't going to agree but it's bloody obvious unless you want to live in denial.
And those older events? Every one of those have antecedents to some action or decision. The Muslims are all about eye for an eye vengeance and so are we. So the cycle will continue.
For those travelling in the immediate future:
Pocket-size wallets and pocket-size purses plus contents (for example money, credit cards, identity cards etc (not handbags);
Travel documents essential for the journey (for example passports and travel tickets);
Prescription medicines and medical items sufficient and essential for the flight (eg diabetic kit), except in liquid form unless verified as authentic.
spectacles and sunglasses, without cases.
Contact lens holders, without bottles of solution.
For those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger) and sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight (nappies, wipes, creams and nappy disposal bags).
Female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if unboxed (eg tampons, pads, towels and wipes).
Tissues (unboxed) and/or handkerchiefs
keys (but no electrical key fobs)
All passengers must be hand searched, and their footwear and all the items they are carrying must be X-ray screened.
Pocket-size wallets and pocket-size purses plus contents (for example money, credit cards, identity cards etc (not handbags);
Travel documents essential for the journey (for example passports and travel tickets);
Prescription medicines and medical items sufficient and essential for the flight (eg diabetic kit), except in liquid form unless verified as authentic.
spectacles and sunglasses, without cases.
Contact lens holders, without bottles of solution.
For those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger) and sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight (nappies, wipes, creams and nappy disposal bags).
Female sanitary items sufficient and essential for the flight, if unboxed (eg tampons, pads, towels and wipes).
Tissues (unboxed) and/or handkerchiefs
keys (but no electrical key fobs)
All passengers must be hand searched, and their footwear and all the items they are carrying must be X-ray screened.
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Islamic Extremist are exactly who we are fighting aginst. They believe our deaths will bring back the 12th Iman. The leader of Iran has promised to do that. By the way. These people call the world home. Not just the Middle East. This is what we as a world are dealing with.JRod wrote:Everybody has their own opinon on the war and we don't need another thread on whether the war is right or wrong.
However I think today is a turning point in the war on terrorism. Not because of the threat to airplanes but because Bush for the first time said this war against Islamic Fundamentalists? Guys that's not just terrorists that's Syria and Iran. Well in actuality it's Sudi Arabia and Egypt as well but we won't admit it.
Saying this is a war against islamic fundamentalists turns this into a religious war. That's scary what this means. This goes beyond just Iraq and Afghanistan and makes islamic states like Syria and Iran apart of this war.
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad believes in what's called the 12th Iman. The 12th Iman according to Duin:
Many are not sure this imam - said to be born in Iraq in 868 AD - was a real person. Tradition has him performing miracles as a child, living his life in hiding from his enemies, but never dying. Instead, sometime around 941 AD, he was caught up into heaven, somewhat like the Old Testament prophet Elijah. Islamic tradition says both the mahdi and Jesus Christ will return to Earth, both to correct corrupted practices done in both of their names.
Jesus - whom Muslims believe was not crucified but was caught up into heaven with another man dying in His place - will also marry, then die again, but the mahdi will establish peace, justice and truth throughout the world.
The Golden Mosque, bombed in February in Samarra, Iraq, was constructed to honor this mahdi. An attack on it was seen as an attack on the whole idea of a Muslim messiah held dear by many Iranians, including the president of Iran.
What makes this scary is that in order to bring about this particular doomsday scenario Ahmadinejad is willing to bring the catyclysm that will bring the return of the 12th Iman. The critical point here is that Ahmadinejad believes that a Hell of Nuclear War could bring a Messiah back to Earth, and why not light the match?
To most Iranians, President Ahmadinejad's revelations and over-the-top religious imagery are standard faire. While undoubtedly magnified by rumor and street chatter, Ahmadinejad's confirmed relationship with religious extremists, along with the degree to which he has embraced their bleak and violent visions, is a sufficient cause for concern.
The big difference between this and The Cold War is the Russians wanted the same thing as us. To live. They had no desire to blow up the world. I can't say that about the leaders in Iran. Troubling times, indeed.
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