OT: NBA 2005-2006 Season Discussion

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:43 pm

Actually, some people are saying Nash got fouled but it was his fault for getting trapped and letting Luke Walton tie him up without going through his arms.

Lakers still made the plays when they needed to.

No it didn't boil down to one call.

Ask Marion about 2 of his last 3 fouls.

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:46 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
reeche wrote:
wco81 wrote:I was going to mention Shaq. He's obviously no longer under the bright lights of Showtime.

Bet Scott Pollard can no longer foul him on the elbow with his Adam's Apple.
That's why it's possible arguing with conspiracy theories. It's like a hydra with many heads. People who want to believe see only evidence that supports their opinion and discount all evidence against.

JFK is a great movie btw.
It's also hard to argue with Blind people as well when they can't see the obvious thats right in front of their faces.

The NBA is a great movie too. When things are planned out and managed, it's no different than playing from a script.

As I always say, the things I don't like, I don't watch. If it's scripted, why bother watching it?

Oh yeah I forgot. People always need something to complain about.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:47 pm

XXXIV wrote:Only an idiot would watch this garbage...

Wow.

...and to think I was coming to post about how much I've enjoyed the playoffs so far. I must be an idiot of Seligesque proportions because I've even been recording the late games to watch the next morning.

I've probably enjoyed watching the Clippers the most in the playoffs too (Brand is great and I've always liked Mobley and Cassell), so that makes me an even bigger idiot.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:53 pm

reeche wrote:As I always say, the things I don't like, I don't watch. If it's scripted, why bother watching it?

Oh yeah I forgot. People always need something to complain about.

Because you get drawn in by the athleticism and beauty of the game and for bits of time, you forget the political bullshit.

But it's not very long before you're yanked out of this immersion that it's real by these blatantly bad calls.

These are the greatest athletes in the world. Is it too much to ask for a level playing field?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:54 pm

Leebo33 wrote:
XXXIV wrote:Only an idiot would watch this garbage...
Wow.

...and to think I was coming to post about how much I've enjoyed the playoffs so far. I must be an idiot of Seligesque proportions because I've even been recording the late games to watch the next morning.

I've probably enjoyed watching the Clippers the most in the playoffs too (Brand is great and I've always liked Mobley and Cassell), so that makes me an even bigger idiot.

No comment

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:55 pm

dbdynsty25 wrote:Anyone who complains about the officials in that game, are just looking for things to complain about. I'm a Suns fan and the Suns lost that game twice (in regulation and in OT). Nash missing three wide open 3's that woulda pushed the lead into double digits under 3:00...and James Jones missing another. The Suns shoulda won, they choked...they missed open shots. That's what happens...and that's also the reason they continue to be winless in games decided by three points or less. Now, if you had said that Nash should have gotten the timeout he and Diaw both called before the jump ball, I could agree with you, but as it stands...the refs didn't take the game away from Phoenix, their shooting and ball management and the end of regulation and OT did.

Stand up guy. I give you credit.

Kobe hit some big shots. Like I said, and like you said, I think the problem is that the games are this close in the first place. The Suns just can't get their running game going like they should and they're making Kwame Brown a credible player which should never happen except they just don't have any inside presence due to their injuries.

I thought the Lakers got away with the tie-up call at the end. No to say it was crazy to me but more so that you give Steve Nash his credit due to his stature and give him the foul in that situation if it's close. The Lakers are simply hitting some big shots in this series when they need it. They've been pretty good from down deep too which is normally just the domain of the Suns.

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:04 pm

wco81 wrote:
reeche wrote:As I always say, the things I don't like, I don't watch. If it's scripted, why bother watching it?

Oh yeah I forgot. People always need something to complain about.
Because you get drawn in by the athleticism and beauty of the game and for bits of time, you forget the political bullshit.

But it's not very long before you're yanked out of this immersion that it's real by these blatantly bad calls.

These are the greatest athletes in the world. Is it too much to ask for a level playing field?

You, I don't really have a problem with as most of the time I'm just teasing with you and I sense you watch a good deal of basketball. I completely disagree with you of course when it comes to this bizzare officiating logic thing you've got stuck in your butt but at least I get the sense you are logical enough to realize there are two sides. Some of the others, I don't get that sense. Especially when they suddenly pop-up spouting off when they've been MIA forever.

If something really bugged me/bored me/insulted me, ultimately I would stop watching it and that would ultimately lead to me not talking about it. It took long enough for people to stop invading NBA threads in the first place with their dumb ass non-watching the sport comments. If annoys me when I see it occasionally cropping up as I'm enjoying the playoffs. And I repeat it never happens in any other threads. Not baseball. Not soccer. Not hockey. Not auto-racing. This isn't because I couldn't do it. It's just because I'm respectful enough not to do it. And I don't care. What do I care about hockey or auto-racing enough to enter a thread and start telling people the word from on high?

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:14 pm

reeche wrote: Last post and I'm done with you. .

Wow..disguise it anyway you want..but that didnt last long....

reeche wrote:. Especially when they suddenly pop-up spouting off when they've been MIA forever.

If something really bugged me/bored me/insulted me, ultimately I would stop watching it and that would ultimately lead to me not talking about it. It took long enough for people to stop invading NBA threads in the first place with their dumb ass non-watching the sport comments. .

Hit a nerve?...enjoy your fake sport and your fake assertions...

Im still not going to watch it...The two minutes today was enough garbage to last me years...

reeche · Post by **reeche** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:18 pm

XXXIV · Post by **XXXIV** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:20 pm

reeche wrote: Last post and I'm done with you. .

Biggest lie this board has ever seen....such lack of self discipline.

Let Me show you how its done...This is My last post and now I AM DONE WITH YOU

Now watch...I will no longer post here or about you...

Watch...pay attention child...

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:04 pm

Crooked officials or not, Kobe needed to hit a buzzer-beater to win the game and he did.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 10:36 pm

reeche wrote:Kobe hit some big shots. Like I said, and like you said, I think the problem is that the games are this close in the first place. The Suns just can't get their running game going like they should and they're making Kwame Brown a credible player which should never happen except they just don't have any inside presence due to their injuries.

Heh...responses to your two points. One, the Suns have got their running game going, they are just missing the open 3s. They have done a much better job in the past two games of running when possible. Now, the reason that you and everyone else think they haven't, is because the Lakers are punishing the Suns down low, which is exactly how they should be doing it. By banging down low and making the Suns scramble to cover shooters, it's limiting the break out...and when they do break out, the Lakers are doing a good job of covering it. I don't think it's so much as the Suns can't get it going, it's that they do it get it going, but the Lakers are doing a better job of containing it.

And two, Kwame still isn't credible. Hell, if it were anyone else, they'd average 30 a game. The Suns have NO ONE to even come close to guarding a guy of his athletic ability...and yet, he keeps throwing up crazy shots and dropping the ball out of bounds all the time. The guy is complete garbage. The Suns are just making him look like he's a real basketball player, which in fact he is not. If Chris Mihm was healthy, he'd average 25-30 a game...without a doubt. It's pretty embarassing from a Suns defensive point of view, but what do you expect when your tallest starter is 6'8. Lamar Odom is the biggest problem...he allows the Lakers to play that way...and the Suns just can't match up with him. He's too skilled, too big, and too strong. Marion just can't hang with him down low...which is surprising actually. I don't think I've ever seen Lamar play with such strength all of the time...he always seemed like a finess guy...but I guess he's shaking that during this series...at least in my mind.

Oh well...there really isn't anything the Suns can do different with the guys they have available. They should hit a few more open shots and they should be able to extend the series a bit, but I think the Lakers have found the magic potion to handle the Suns during this season. Next year, with a healthy Amare and Kurt Thomas...there is no way in hell the Lakers would be trying to do what they are doing this year. It's not over, but it damn near looks like an impossible task.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Sun Apr 30, 2006 11:49 pm

Lakers are trying to muscle and intimidate the Suns, like those hard fouls on Diaw and Thomas a couple of games ago. They are closing on the 3-point shooters and when they drive, hip-checking them.

You could say good physical defense but only Phil Jackson's teams seem to get to do that consistently -- he must have incriminating pics of Stern or Stu Jackson.

But they're hitting the big shots and they're probably the team shooting 40% and higher from 3-point range. And yeah, Odom is playing physically and playing well. It helps if you can power through your man and draw calls instead of offensive fouls (ask Tim Duncan about that, especially when Horry used to "shut down" Duncan.)

One thing about the small lineup. A shot-blocker would cover a lot of the defensive liabilities. If you can outshoot and outgun opponents then those defensive weaknesses can be overcome. But that isn't happening.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon May 01, 2006 12:56 am

That you for regurgitating everything I just said.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon May 01, 2006 11:20 am

Bonzi Wells is having a big series. Was it just last year that the Grizzlies suspended him from the playoffs for talking back to the coach?

Gee they showed him, didn't they? And they still haven't won a playoff game.

Denver can't guard Brand so they suspend Kelvin Martin for the same thing. They weren't going to beat the Clips anyways so why not handicap yourself further?

As long as they know who's the boss.

Post by **ScoopBrady** » Mon May 01, 2006 11:28 am

I was very happy with the Bulls effort yesterday. They got Shaq into foul trouble early and he had to ride the bench for quite a few minutes. I would have liked to have seen them take advantage of that and pull away more but after giving up the lead late in the game they responded with some clutch shots. After Game 2 I felt like the Bulls could at least hang with the Heat but after Game 4 I think they can actually win the series. I'm not saying they will but it's not outside of the realm of possibility.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Mon May 01, 2006 12:59 pm

wco81 wrote:Denver can't guard Brand so they suspend Kelvin Martin for the same thing. They weren't going to beat the Clips anyways so why not handicap yourself further?

As long as they know who's the boss.

Well, Denver's only win in the series came without Kenyon Martin. They are also 30-10 in the past 40 when he doesn't play. He can't guard Brand and is pretty worthless on offense. It's addition by subtraction IMO.

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Mon May 01, 2006 1:23 pm

I've always thought Bonzi was one of the more interesting players in recent NBA history. He's like 6'4", has a weird body type and isn't a particularly reliable shooter. But he's one of those rare players that plays way, way bigger than their size. Bonzi grabs rebounds and dunks under the goal like he's 6'10". He jumps extremely well and is powerful with the ball. He really is one of those "buy a ticket to see" players because he's so unique. My personal top 10 of all-time players who play bigger than their size (that I actually saw in person):

1. Charles Barkley
2. Alonzo Mourning
3. Spud Webb
4. Julius Erving
5. Bonzi Wells
6. Shawn Marion
7. Steve Francis
8. Adrian Dantley
9. Ben Wallace
10.Dennis Rodman

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Mon May 01, 2006 1:27 pm

Well they gave him a big contract last year and didn't trade him.

They would probably lose with or without him. But you don't have a guy on your roster and pay him so much if they're better off playing without him.

Karl has burned bridges everywhere he's coached.

You don't choose the coach over the talent, especially since talent can't be easily disposed of with the cap.

It sounded like he tried to make an apology publicly and the team said forget it.

Leebo33 · Post by **Leebo33** » Mon May 01, 2006 1:48 pm

wco81 wrote:It sounded like he tried to make an apology publicly and the team said forget it.

They said on the broadcast that the players were 100% behind Karl's decision...whatever that means.

I wouldn't have suspended him. Having to share the same locker room as Reggie Evans is probably punishment enough.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon May 01, 2006 3:08 pm

Leebo33 wrote:I wouldn't have suspended him. Having to share the same locker room as Reggie Evans is probably punishment enough.

Unless he likes a little tug every once in a while.

dbdynsty25 · Post by **dbdynsty25** » Mon May 01, 2006 6:09 pm

This is bad...now Diaw gets most improved (which he obviously deserved). Nothing like going one and done in the playoffs with the MVP and the Most Improved on your team. Too many awards, too many expectations I guess. Better sack it up and make it a series tomorrow night.

SoMisss2000 · Post by **SoMisss2000** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:28 pm

Mavs complete the SWEEP of the Grizz! Get some rest boys!

Sudz · Post by **Sudz** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:32 pm

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3 beers and nhl and nba look the same

Kazuya · Post by **Kazuya** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:40 pm

GO MAVS!!! GO BONZI!!!