OT: LOST Season 3 Discussion **** SPOILERS ****

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:32 pm

PadresFan104 wrote:
Diablo25 wrote:What exactly did they give away in next week's previews? I can't remember what it was...or even seeing any previews.
Jin sprechen Sie Englisch

I know this show has things that don't make sense, but come on.

Why would Jin now SUDDENLY reveal he speaks english?

Why not do it when he got in a scuffle with Mike?

Blah, maybe it's just me.

GameSeven · Post by **GameSeven** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:37 am

With you guys mentioning show-inspired websites, I started poking around and found one for Oceanic Airlines. I believe this was around for last season, but it was news to me. Check out:

http://www.oceanic-air.com/home.htm

There are a couple of hidden messages from those on the island.

Also, there is a seating chart with a couple of fun easter eggs if you poke around at:

http://www.oceanic-air.com/seatingchart.htm

-G7

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:50 am

jLp vAkEr0 wrote:
PadresFan104 wrote:
Diablo25 wrote:What exactly did they give away in next week's previews? I can't remember what it was...or even seeing any previews.
Jin sprechen Sie Englisch
I know this show has things that don't make sense, but come on.

Why would Jin now SUDDENLY reveal he speaks english?

Why not do it when he got in a scuffle with Mike?

Blah, maybe it's just me.

Or maybe it won't be what you expect

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 2:13 pm

Another spoiler...looks like the Dharma logo was on the jet also

This could be Paintshop fakery too. I saw it at another site.

Danimal · Post by **Danimal** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:28 pm

Diablo from what I read that image comes off the oceanicair site, and that is an official Lost site, not a fan site.

Who knows at this point?

Jayhawker · Post by **Jayhawker** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:00 pm

Anybody have the DVD set that can verify if that was there originally? Actually, the creators could have inserted that into the DVD set as well. Maybe someone has a copy of the original airing?

I don't just believe that writers were even considering Dharma storyline at this point.

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:59 pm

Jayhawker wrote:Anybody have the DVD set that can verify if that was there originally? Actually, the creators could have inserted that into the DVD set as well. Maybe someone has a copy of the original airing?

I don't just believe that writers were even considering Dharma storyline at this point.

It depends. Most shows have a "bible," a guide that highlights essential information about the characters, main story arcs, etc. That can get updated and changed, but it helps the writers and show runners keep storylines consistent from week to week. I wouldn't be surprised that this has all been planned, especially since we're only at the beginning of season 2.

Jayhawker · Post by **Jayhawker** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:08 pm

Brando70 wrote:
Jayhawker wrote:Anybody have the DVD set that can verify if that was there originally? Actually, the creators could have inserted that into the DVD set as well. Maybe someone has a copy of the original airing?

I don't just believe that writers were even considering Dharma storyline at this point.
It depends. Most shows have a "bible," a guide that highlights essential information about the characters, main story arcs, etc. That can get updated and changed, but it helps the writers and show runners keep storylines consistent from week to week. I wouldn't be surprised that this has all been planned, especially since we're only at the beginning of season 2.

Well, this blurb from Rolling Stone certainly implies that there is a decent amount of the story being made up on the fly.

The Lost creators have often claimed they know where the show is going and that everything will ultimately add up. Well, the current creators, anyway. "There was absolutely no master plan on Lost," insists David Fury, a co-executive producer last season who wrote the series' two best episodes and is now a writer-producer on 24. "Anybody who said that was lying.” "On a show like Lost, it becomes a great big shaggy-dog story," he continues cheerily. "They keep saying there's meaning in everything, and I'm here to tell you no -- a lot of things are just arbitrary. What I always tried to do was connect these random elements, to create the illusion that it was all adding up to something." Many plot elements were concocted on the fly, Fury says; for example, they didn't know Hurley won the lottery until it came time to write his episode. "I don't like to talk about when we come up with ideas," Lindelof demurs. "It's a magic trick. But we planned that plot: We seeded references to it in earlier episodes." Fury disagrees. He says scenes with those references were filmed much later and inserted into earlier yet-to-air episodes: "It's a brilliant trick to make us look smart. But doing that created a huge budget problem."

I'm just curious about what was and what wasn't planned. There was all of that nonsense last season about the radio broadcast Boone heard. It seems that they altered it in the promos and the "previously on 'Lost'" segments from how it originally aired.

It's not a big deal, and I thouroughly enjoy the show. But just like in movies such as The Usual Suspects and The Sixth Sense, there is a desire to verify that the writers didn't cheat.

Changing episodes that have aired would be cheating. Filming scenes to add into episodes that have not aired is legitimate. I am just curious if they have cheated in some way.

Airdog · Post by **Airdog** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 1:16 pm

Brando70 wrote:
jLp vAkEr0 wrote:
PadresFan104 wrote: Jin sprechen Sie Englisch
I know this show has things that don't make sense, but come on.

Why would Jin now SUDDENLY reveal he speaks english?

Why not do it when he got in a scuffle with Mike?

Blah, maybe it's just me.
Or maybe it won't be what you expect

Yeah, I think it'll be that he just all of a sudden starts to speak English - another mystery of the island. I highly doubt that he's known English all along.

As far as the writers "cheating" that's fine with me. I'm here for the entertainment, although I guess I would consider them more clever/witty/intelligent if they were planning everything all along.

Airdog · Post by **Airdog** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:32 am

This episode really slowed everything down. I think it's the calm before the huge storm. They were just sitting around enjoying their PB, etc. but I think that next episode it's going to get pretty intense. Hurley's struggle with dealing with the food was pretty good - although his idea to blow up the supplies was a little crazy. I guess that may be one of the reasons why he's prone to ending up in asylums.

I'm ashamed of myself to have been thinking that the big black guy was the husband - I didn't even consider it being the white guy. That's pretty terrible on my part.

Jin speaking English was just a bust; maybe rightfully so because that would've been pretty tough to explain.

It appears that there's more than one Dharma bunker. In this one there didn't seem to be any of the equipment that was in the other one though. Of course the question is, "What happened to all of the other survivors from the tail end of the plane?" Also, the video tape said that there was 5 or 6 lab sites - I wonder if they're all on the same island.

It's strange, and most obviously done on purpose, that there's three characters in the show that have namesakes who are considered "great minds."

Jean-Jacques Rousseau, the philospher, and Rousseau the grungy forest woman.

Edward Said, literary critic, and Said (maybe spelled Sayeed, not sure?)the Iraqi Republic Guardsman. Perhaps even more interesting with this one is that in perhaps Said's most reknown theory named Orientalism, there is a concept of "Others". This one was pretty much in the forefront of my mind today because I just handed in an essay on him today.

John Locke, philosopher of freedom, and John Locke, guy who can walk all of a sudden. Locke's mantra of "You can't tell me what to do!" might be associated with freedom.

Airdog · Post by **Airdog** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:56 pm

C'mon, like none of my friends talk about the show - talk damnit!

What do you guys think is behind the cement wall?

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:10 am

Air:

I was only able to see the 2nd half of this week's show, so I missed how Mike and Co where set free by the other survivors.

Nor I know what where Jack and Sayid doing down on those pipes.

But that was worth it since we got to see Miss. Lilly in nothing but a towel.

Looks like the "others" will make an appearance in next week's show.

NoJoke · Post by **NoJoke** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:16 am

With the magnatism and Sayid mention of Chernobyl, I would guess that there is some form of nuclear reactor behind the concrete. Of course, that is too obvious for this show.

I'm just glad that the Korean guy didn't actually start speaking English in reality.

Joe

matthewk · Post by **matthewk** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:21 am

I want to know what happened to the mysterious "monster" that turned out to be some sort of living black cloud at the end of season 1. I like all the details and mysteries, but I hate having things like this just vanish without knowing if they will ever be resolved. I hope so, but after reading about how they are making things up as they go I think there is a good chance a lot of these mysteries will never be answered, and simply forgotten about.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 10:27 am

They are rehashing the same backstories. OK did we need another backstory about Hurley winning the Lotto? Gee his friend changing on him was so traumatic he wanted to blow up the food supply.

They could have used the airtime to do more exposition of the current story, since they seem to be about introducing more mysteries (what is underneath, behind the bunker? what happened to some of the people from the back of the plane who survived the crash?) rather than explaining the old ones (monster, the special baby, the connections between the passengers which makes you think it wasn't an accident they ended up on the same flight or that the plane crashed, the numbers, etc.).

The key questions probably won't be answered until after season 4, when they could cut a syndication deal.

Fshguy · Post by **Fshguy** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:49 am

WTF??? The worst part last night was when they told us we're going to have to wait 3 weeks for more!!!!

So, here's my theory, there are at least two groups of "others". There's the one group, the "scientists" I'm guessing from the boat at the end of season one. Then, there's the group we saw last night. I'm guessing their yet another group of castaways or a newer generation of the orginal research subjects. They all looked like they were young and muddy. At this point they're probably trying to hide from the "scientists" and are merely protecting their teritory from the group of 23.

As for who's permenantly "Lost" next episode, here's my top hitlist:

Shannon: They did show her twice at the end, if she gets the dog back to Walt, it's all over for her.

Michael: He's been all over the place, on the verge of doing something really stupid to get himself killed.

Group of 23: Anybody is fair game here, but that wouldn't be much to talk about, would it?

Charlie: His punk ass is hitting on Evangeline Lilly, he's got to go!!!

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:01 am

Last night was just a soap opera back story.

Had nothing to do with what's going on the island.

Yawn.

JackB1 · Post by **JackB1** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:21 am

this show has gone from "compelling" to "BORING".
I have a hard time caring about what happens now.
Anyone agree or is everyone still loving this show?

I just think it went into too many different directions and
lost it's "focus" too much.

jLp vAkEr0 · Post by **jLp vAkEr0** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:08 am

JackB1 wrote:this show has gone from "compelling" to "BORING".
I have a hard time caring about what happens now.
Anyone agree or is everyone still loving this show?

I just think it went into too many different directions and
lost it's "focus" too much.

I hate to agree with this, but it's true.

I don't necessary mind that the show has gone in many directions, it's how they are doing it.

It's shitty writing, or story telling, period.

Last 2 episodes have REALLY slowed down things. And to top it of, next 3 weeks will be re-runs.

Ugh...

Oh, and to top it off, Invasion(wich follows Lost) it's even more boring, dull and slow.

Inuyasha · Post by **Inuyasha** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:48 am

I have to agree with you guys also. The show seems to be 'LOST'.

The flashbacks were fine the last season but now we want some concrete storyline. It does seem like they must not have a longer story planned out so they give us basically re-run episodes to fill the time.

And for the preview for next week, that we better watch since someone will be lost off the island, didn't we already have that last year?

The show is really getting lame.

matthewk · Post by **matthewk** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:13 pm

I hate to say it, but last nights episode really let me down. The whole flashback story seemed pointless. We all know they end up getting married. I really could care less exactly how that happened, unless by some grand design it ends up relating to why they were on that flight. Right now, none of it is tying together, and it's getting old....fast. Oh boy, a whole hour where Sun loses her ring and then finds it. Moral of the story: You will find what have lost once you stop looking. Ok, so Michael stops looking for WAlt. SO now does he find him, or are we going to drag this out until the season finale?

Every week we have more questions, and yet none of them have been answered.

Why can Locke walk, but nont when he was close to the plane?
What is the signifigance of the other plane, other than to kill off Boone?
What happened to the myterious "monster" on the island?
Why did the others take Walt?
How many groups of "others" are there?
What happened to the other passengers from the back of the plane?
What happened to the whispering Siad and a couple others hear innthe jungle?

AAAAHHHHHH. This is no longer a show I feel compelled to watch because I can't wait to see what happens next. It is now a show I may stop watching until I hear that the story is actually going somewhere.

wco81 · Post by **wco81** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:33 pm

I think it's only the mysteries which keep viewers watching. Or at least that's what ABC and the producers think. What if they answered these questions and the show became a story about their struggle for survival against the menacing Others? Then it wouldn't be so unique.

ABC is trying the same formula with Invasion, apparently. I watched most of the pilot before falling asleep and I noticed last night, they were still talking about those lights in the teaser for the show.

I switched to the Daily Show.

Diablo25 · Post by **Diablo25** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:11 pm

It has been disappointing the past two weeks. Im not giving up though. The fact that several of the mysterious things portrayed last year (mentioned above) have disappeared...and not only disappeared but its like new writers took over the show and didn't read up on last year's plots.

Fshguy · Post by **Fshguy** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 4:14 pm

Okay, obviously I've gotten on the Lost bandwagon too late.

I think stories like last night appeal to a broader audience, ie women, than the demographic represented here.

And besides, do you really think they're going to reveal or make up solutions to the mysteries on every episode? Of course if they did, the show would be over and then people would wonder why it didn't last longer...

Brando70 · Post by **Brando70** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:06 pm

I actually liked last night's episode better than the last couple. I think Sun and Jin have a very interesting backstory, so I didn't mind the diversion. The present day stuff was interesting, and the last shot of the Others walking was cool.

If you're looking for more immediate payoff from the mysteries, then I can see why you're frustrated. I like the characters and find them interesting beyond the island setting. They do need to get a move-on, however, lest they get stuck in X-Files jerking-around mode.

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